McCartney 3?
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
The_Fool wrote:
Paul doesn't want to see the Hey Jude, Let It Be fans do a concession run when he does new material. * If only he had someone tell him they aren't leaving. I liked when he opened with Figure Of Eight. Paul can quickly wrap a few Beatle songs among the new material and the first timers would get pumped up quick. I used to hope that long ago he would rotate some of his unheard in concert songs ... and that includes Wings songs. In the last 10 years I am glad to just see him do anything and the regular or expected songs. There could so much untapped material that would get the deeper fan woo hoo yeah fist pumping inside yes alright ... and weave it all in a concert for everyone. I can say I even liked when he rotated in a few surprises ( I say surprises, but I usually find out about them well before the show as much as try not to hear or read advance leaks)... I agree with many suggestions above with newer material. Now this bleeping virus F'd a lot of this up. (Yes I do hope for everyone's health disclaimer here). *
Yeah, & it's his own fault they take bathroom breaks when he plays unfamiliar songs. All he had to do was play them all along & they would not be unfamiliar. Everyone would sing along just like the Beatles songs.
There has been a "Setlist" thread (Rock Show) with these same complaints for many years and I know myself and BJ have beaten this subject to death. It is what it is (lol) and what we hoped for will never happen.
Oh I know that! I was there a long time ago sitting up with the setlist threads waiting to see if he'd sing something new. Those were the good ol days. Lotsa those people are gone now &/or have been banned from this place.
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Hey Yankeefan...as you were suggesting earlier, I would like to see Paul and the Band play a smaller venue. They could not only do a bunch of McCartney 3 songs but maybe a few "solo" songs he hasn't done before or some he has only done on one tour. Now that could be a great setlist.
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I have always wanted Paul to have a "Lost Songs" Tour where it is well known to everyone before hand that he will not be playing his classic Beatles and Wings hits (I would allow "With a Little Luck" which he has never done live). This would be a small venue show as BJ suggests. He could go to places like Idaho (hint, hint....) where individuals would love to see a Beatle in concert.
I remember a thread on here once where we developed such a set list. All of us could go through his albums and suggest songs. With the quality of his back catalog, he would not even have to do the weird stuff (Temporary Secretary, Morse Moose, Pretty Little Head, songs from Rushes, some songs from Electric Arguments,.....) and he could save that stuff for a "Weird Songs" tour! He could do some obscure Wings stuff (Little Lamb Dragonfly, When the Night, Old Siam Sir, Arrow Through Me,.....) and some Ram and McCartney 2 and perhaps something like Wanderlust, Ballroom Dancing, The Pound is Sinking, but mainly focus on songs from his 1997 to 2020 resurgence and songs that he might have played only once in concert when an album was new. This would introduce so much great music to younger fans who only know him as a Beatles and Wings hits maker. He could record the show and put out a live album and video release. All of us could work on developing his set list.
Then, we get him to work on the "Weird Songs" tour. This tour would be dedicated to getting fans to know Paul's experimental and avant garde side. All of us could work on developing his set list (and that would be fun). There would be a live album and video release.
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Much as I would like Paul to play lesser-known solo songs live (and I chimed in on that thread a few times), I think it's naive for anyone to think seeing him play a song they don't know once will suddenly make it familiar. I took a friend to see Paul's 2010 show in San Francisco -- someone who liked the Beatles, had some familiarity with Wings but knew little of Paul's post-1980 music. His wife (who didn't come along) asked him, "Did he play any of his new songs?" and my friend answered, "Well he played some songs I didn't recognize." And that's what new songs would be to the casual concertgoer: "A tune I didn't recognize." A more serious effort would be required to familiarize folks with later material, including playing them on TV appearances, etc., instead of his more usual formula of 1 or 2 Beatles tunes and something from whatever new album he's promoting.
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B J Conlee wrote:
Hey Yankeefan...as you were suggesting earlier, I would like to see Paul and the Band play a smaller venue. They could not only do a bunch of McCartney 3 songs but maybe a few "solo" songs he hasn't done before or some he has only done on one tour. Now that could be a great setlist.
At this stage of his life BJ, I think it would be better for him to do show kind of like what Springsteen did on Broadway. Just Paul on guitar/piano and maybe a couple of backup singers to help his vocals. With all the songs, tell some stories about the song and make it intimate experience with the audience. He does 30- 45 minute set and then has 15 minute intermission and then does another 30-45 minute set. Comes back for one short encore and he is done. Sells his albums at stands for people to buy at intermission. Records the show for CD/DVD release. He can make it a limitted edition, kind of like he did with the Russian album years ago. Give his fans on his official website first crack to buy limited edition DVD/CD. Make it a mostly solo song setlist but throw in a couple of Beatle songs to give the audience a few songs they would definitely know. See set list below. Most songs are fairly recent so he should still be able to sing them fairly well.
Set 1
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Find My Way
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That Was Me
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Rocky Racoon
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Early Days
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Confidante
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On My Way To Work
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Too Much Rain
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Kiss Of Venus
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Little Willow
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This Boy
Set 2
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Dance Tonight
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Every Night
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Two Magpies
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Women And Wives
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Lady Madonna
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I Don't Know
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Hand In Hand
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Follow Me
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I've Just Seen A Face
Encore
Put It There
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
In the US Billboard album chart, in its 4th week, McCartney III has dropped from #90 to #200. Just as a random comparison, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album has dropped from #131 to #177 ...in its 957th week.
Meanwhile,here in the UK, McCartney III has dropped out of the Top 100.
I think comparing any current album to the sales of "Dark Side Of The Moon " is a but unfair -lol
Well, he did say it was just a "random" comparison! I wonder if Sgt. Pepper is still on the U.S.. Billboard 200 chart?
Just checked - not on there, but Beatles 1 is #76 in its 455th week, and Abbey Road is #79 in its 396th week!
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thrillington wrote:
I have always wanted Paul to have a "Lost Songs" Tour where it is well known to everyone before hand that he will not be playing his classic Beatles and Wings hits (I would allow "With a Little Luck" which he has never done live). This would be a small venue show as BJ suggests. He could go to places like Idaho (hint, hint....) where individuals would love to see a Beatle in concert.
I remember a thread on here once where we developed such a set list. All of us could go through his albums and suggest songs. With the quality of his back catalog, he would not even have to do the weird stuff (Temporary Secretary, Morse Moose, Pretty Little Head, songs from Rushes, some songs from Electric Arguments,.....) and he could save that stuff for a "Weird Songs" tour! He could do some obscure Wings stuff (Little Lamb Dragonfly, When the Night, Old Siam Sir, Arrow Through Me,.....) and some Ram and McCartney 2 and perhaps something like Wanderlust, Ballroom Dancing, The Pound is Sinking, but mainly focus on songs from his 1997 to 2020 resurgence and songs that he might have played only once in concert when an album was new. This would introduce so much great music to younger fans who only know him as a Beatles and Wings hits maker. He could record the show and put out a live album and video release. All of us could work on developing his set list.
Then, we get him to work on the "Weird Songs" tour. This tour would be dedicated to getting fans to know Paul's experimental and avant garde side. All of us could work on developing his set list (and that would be fun). There would be a live album and video release.
First, Paul would have to remember that he even wrote those songs, and second, he'd have to re-learn them!
I'm half joking, but afraid Paul will continue to stick to his "tried & true" setlist method. ️
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
Hey Yankeefan...as you were suggesting earlier, I would like to see Paul and the Band play a smaller venue. They could not only do a bunch of McCartney 3 songs but maybe a few "solo" songs he hasn't done before or some he has only done on one tour. Now that could be a great setlist.
At this stage of his life BJ, I think it would be better for him to do show kind of like what Springsteen did on Broadway. Just Paul on guitar/piano and maybe a couple of backup singers to help his vocals. With all the songs, tell some stories about the song and make it intimate experience with the audience. He does 30- 45 minute set and then has 15 minute intermission and then does another 30-45 minute set. Comes back for one short encore and he is done. Sells his albums at stands for people to buy at intermission. Records the show for CD/DVD release. He can make it a limitted edition, kind of like he did with the Russian album years ago. Give his fans on his official website first crack to buy limited edition DVD/CD. Make it a mostly solo song setlist but throw in a couple of Beatle songs to give the audience a few songs they would definitely know. See set list below. Most songs are fairly recent so he should still be able to sing them fairly well.
Set 1
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Find My Way
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That Was Me
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Rocky Racoon
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Early Days
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Confidante
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On My Way To Work
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Too Much Rain
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Kiss Of Venus
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Little Willow
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This Boy
Set 2
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Dance Tonight
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Every Night
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Two Magpies
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Women And Wives
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Lady Madonna
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I Don't Know
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Hand In Hand
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Follow Me
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I've Just Seen A Face
Encore
Put It There
Fantastic setlist Yankeefan. Love the mix of current and late era McCartney songs along with older songs including a few Beatle numbers. You have a generous amount of McCartney 3 songs plus some great ones from Egypt Station that he never did on his last Egypt Station tour. Love the older Solo songs too like "That Was Me, Early Days, On My Way to Work, Too Much Rain, Little Willow and Two Magpies" that he rarely or ever played before. I still like the idea of a smaller Venue and he could do this setlist with his current Band. That way he can have good back-up singers and those guys already know most of the songs.
Playing with his Band, I would add one more to the Encore..."Slidin" along with Put It There. What a concert that would be with so many new songs done live. If they advertise it as a predominantly Solo setlist, then you would have the real Paul fans there who would know all the songs. A smaller venue along with promoting it as his "Solo" tour would also attract his true fans. Then If he did a few of these smaller venue shows, what a "live" album/CD it could potentially be.
This would be such a different show than his heavy "Beatle" shows from the last 30 years or so.
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Thanks BJ. We both know it is a fantasy and woud never happen but I honestly think at his age if he really wants to perform live again this would be good for him. Cutting down his show to around 1 1/2 hours and doing mostly songs that are from the recent past would not only be good show but easier for him. He could do most if not all of these songs by himself and or with minimal help. It would be really cool to hear songs from "McCartney III" live in addition to some of the other songs listed. Would there be an audience for this type of show that is not Beatle heavy, I honestly don't know. Anyway, sorry to go off-topic a bit but the door was left open by a few posts -lol.
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The recent ideas that were presented are a fantasy, but would really be Great to see. There could even be a casual acoustic section or a few players on some songs
also he has to realistically think of his voice range and what used to be and what can be done now
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Couldn't agree with you more Yankeefan. As we know, his Setlist over the last 20 years has really gotten stale.
Using McCartney 3 songs as a basis to do a true "freshen up" tour is a great start. The other plus is that most of the songs are songs he composed with his latter day voice which I think make it easier for him vocally. Pulling songs he's never or rarely done live from other more recent albums like Egypt Station, New, Memory Almost Full, and Chaos and Creation is a great idea. I loved your setlist and using smaller venues would pull more serious Paul fans rather than casual Bealte Paul fans especiallly if "Paul Solo" as a theme would be heavily promoted.
I would love Paul to do a brand new type of setlist without his famous Beatle songs like Hey Jude, Back in the USSR, Blackbird, Lady Madonna etc. You know the songs he has always done which is the reason his shows have gotten so stale. He certainly has the material. I also like you idea of shorter type shows. He has so much wealth of good material that he can easily do a show with almost zero duplication from his shows over the last 10-15 years.
Just to add to your list (besides Slidin) I personally would love him to do "Seize the Day" which I think is a great great song. I know this discussion should go into the Rock Show section but as I said, a totally recharged and refreshen setlist would start out with a healthy dose of McCartney 3 songs. Your overall setlst is also not full of unknown, obscure songs. Your list has very good songs from Paul's more recent albums that I alreadly listed above. There are so many good to great songs that he has never done or rarely done. I think he need his existing band, They get along so well and they really know how to play with him. By the way, another suggeston for your setlist...besides Lady Madonna that he has done practically at ever show, why not "Martha My Dear" for another piano song.
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B J Conlee wrote:
Couldn't agree with you more. As we know, his Setlist over the last 20 years has really gotten stale.
Using McCartney 3 songs as a basis to do a true "freshen up" tour is a great start. The other benefit that most of the songs would be songs he composed with his latter day voice which I would think make it easier for him. Pull songs he's never or rarely done from other more recent albums like Egypt Station, New, Memory Almost Full, and Chaos and Creation. I loved your setlist and using smaller venues would pull more serious Paul fans rather than casual Bealte Paul fans.
I would love Paul to do a brand new type of setlist without his famous Beatle songs like Hey Jude, Back in the USSR, Blackbird, Lady Madonna etc. Songs like has always done which is the reason his shows have gotten so stale. He certainly has the material. I also like you idea of shorter type shows. He has so much wealth of good material that he can easily do a show with almost zero duplication from his shows over the last 10-15 years.
Just to add to your list (besides Slidin) I personally would love him to so "Seize the Day" which I think is a great great song. I know this discussion should go into the Rock Show section but as I said, a totally recharged and refreshen setlist would start out with a healthy dose of McCartney 3 songs. Your overall setlst is not full of unknown, obscure songs. Your list has very good songs from Paul's more recent albums that I alreadly listed above. There are so many good to great songs that he has never done or rarely done. I think he need his existing band, They get along so well and they really know how to play with him. By the way, another suggeston for your setlist...besides Lady Madonna that he has done practically at ever show, why not "Martha My Dear" for another piano song.
I should have added "Seize The Day" also, guess I had a "brain freeze" - lol. I did not include "Slidin" because my original thought was this was going to be a show without the band. If you add the band, then it would be perfect for encore like you mentioned. "Martha My Dear" would be great addition and all I will say is I was trying to keep songs he would have to learn again to a bare minimum. I am trying to imagine sitting in a small venue of less than a couple of thousand people listening to this show. It puts smile on my face even though I know it is fantasy.
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The_Fool wrote:
The recent ideas that were presented are a fantasy, but would really be Great to see. There could even be a casual acoustic section or a few players on some songs
also he has to realistically think of his voice range and what used to be and what can be done now
I think the songs I proposed would fit his voice currently since most of them are from fairly recent albums.
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I think the fact that we are still in this pandemic makes the prospects for "live shows" still a little off in the distance. But the good news is that we will soon have widespread vacinations. This free time now gives Paul and his Band practice time to brush up with a totally new setlist.
I'm hoping with the fact that "commercial radio" has basically ignored Paul even after a highly praised album might just give him the incentive and impetus to truly give his setlist a true "freshen up" once he and the Band can perform again. What a better time to perform many of his songs live from McCartney 3 and at the same time perform other recent songs from his more newer albums.
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
In the US Billboard album chart, in its 4th week, McCartney III has dropped from #90 to #200. Just as a random comparison, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album has dropped from #131 to #177 ...in its 957th week.
Meanwhile,here in the UK, McCartney III has dropped out of the Top 100.
I think comparing any current album to the sales of "Dark Side Of The Moon " is a but unfair -lol
Yeah,I know what you mean but, in this example,the point I was making was that a 48 year old album that has already sold millions of copies, sold more copies last week than an album released only a few weeks before. Chart positions aside, it unfortunately highlights just how poorly McCartney III has sold. Although totally undeserving, I can see that McCartney III will end up being Paul's poorest selling album yet.
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B J Conlee wrote:
I think the fact that we are still in this pandemic makes the prospects for "live shows" still a little off in the distance.
Several UK artists (Billy Bragg,OMD etc) are already setting up tours....for next year. I don't think anyone (in the UK at least) will chance setting up a tour this year although maybe the odd small scale concert here and there might take place in the autumn. From Paul's point of view though, the setting up of full scale rehearsals just for the occasional concert would be hardly worth the effort. By the time he will be able to tour again, he'll be pushing on 80, so its highly unlikely he'll be able to undertake the 2 hour + length shows that he's done previously. As always, time will tell.
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I almost feel as if I have to apologise before I say this...
I love Paul.... but I keep listening to McCartney 3.... and I just have to say.... whilst I am proud of him for getting the-high in the album charts... this is my least favourite Paul album of all.... it just does not grow on me... the "best" songs are worthy of the seventh or eighth best on any of his other releases.
I love him. I love him heaps. But an ordinary album. A wasted opportunity. But, as others have intimated, this release could've been the best since Adam was a boy and Eve was a girl, and it still wouldn't have sold all that much more. Such are the vagaries of music in today's world for an ageing artist.
Still, an ordinary album.
I try, but I cannot kid myself that it is anything more.
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That's ok Toris. As we have said, music is subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Personally, I'm on the other side of the coin. While McCartney 3 may not have an all-time Paul solo song, I think all the songs are good and the album flows really well as an album in my opinion. The only song to me that is somewhat "ordinary" because it sounds like other Paul/Beatle songs is Lavatory Lil. That being said, I love Paul's electric guitar solo on the song. All the other songs in general have an uniqueness that I love.
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B J Conlee wrote:
That's ok Toris. As we have said, music is subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Personally, I'm on the other side of the coin. While McCartney 3 may not have an all-time Paul solo song, I think all the songs are good and the album flows really well as an album in my opinion. The only song to me that is somewhat "ordinary" because it sounds like other Paul/Beatle songs is Lavatory Lil. That being said, I love Paul's electric guitar solo on the song. All the other songs in general have an uniqueness that I love.
While "McCartney III" does not have that alltime song like "Maybe I'm Amazed", the overall quality of every song is very good IMO. The only real complaint from some people and critics is "Deep Deep Feeling" is too long. I can live with that if that is the worst thing about an album. I will say once again I was not expecting an alltime great album due to the circumstances of the album. McCartney was playing around in his own studio and things just came together during a lockdown. This is not the usual formula for making a "Sgt Pepper" or "Dark Side Of The Moon" type of album -lol. I was hoping for and IMO he delivered an album with at least 5-6 quality songs and no real clunkers. This album showcased once again that he is an incredible musician and I was pleasantly surprised that his voice was pretty good. Finally, I will say that I love the video for "Find My Way"
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toris wrote:
I almost feel as if I have to apologise before I say this...
I love Paul.... but I keep listening to McCartney 3.... and I just have to say.... whilst I am proud of him for getting the-high in the album charts... this is my least favourite Paul album of all.... it just does not grow on me... the "best" songs are worthy of the seventh or eighth best on any of his other releases.
I love him. I love him heaps. But an ordinary album. A wasted opportunity. But, as others have intimated, this release could've been the best since Adam was a boy and Eve was a girl, and it still wouldn't have sold all that much more. Such are the vagaries of music in today's world for an ageing artist.
Still, an ordinary album.
I try, but I cannot kid myself that it is anything more.
Toris, you're not alone. The only song I really like is When Winter Comes. And Find My Way is good. I have the Japan CD with the 4 bonus songs in my car and will give it a 3rd listen today, but this definitely won't be an album I'll want to revisit in the future, like Flaming Pie, NEW or Egypt Station.