McCartney 3?
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"Deep Deep Feeling: the only song on the album I dislike"
That is the one song that seems to divide people, it is one of those love it or hate it songs. It has grown on me but I will admit if it was cut by 2 minutes it would be better.
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McCall wrote:
Glad you are getting your 2nd vaccine shot. I got my second vaccine shot (Pfizer) last week and the only side effect was a bit of a sore arm. My wife had no problem with the 2nd Pfizer shot either. It seems to me the people who get the Pfizer shot do not have a reaction in general but the Maderna one people seems to have more chance of issues.
Your concert idea is probably liked a lot more than expressed here because IMO people know it has about as much chance of happening as me becoming POTUS -lol. How many times have all of us kept hoping for more solo songs on another newly named tour only to be disappointed again and again. If McCartney tours again, he will do the usual and plug a few songs from "McCartney III" into his Beatle heavy set list. The "McCartney III" songs will probably replace the "Egypt Station" songs and not one Beatle song will be eliminated. At his age, I think shorter shows in smaller venue is the way to go but it would not make tons of money so you know that is not happening. Artistically, the type of show you proposed is IMO even better. McCartney has nothing to prove doing his normal tour with mostly Beatle songs so doing something different would actually get some attention IMO. I definitely could see concerts happening again late summer or early fall. The US is getting over 1 million people a day vaccinated and by late this year everybody that wants vaccine should be able to get it. The Super Bowl had over 22,000 people in attendance and that was over a month ago.
As for the general interest of this board in "McCartney III", I think it has been the same as his other recent albums. Just like the Billboard charts, interest is very high the first couple of weeks and then it fades fairly quickly. A few of us may like to get into more detail and discuss it longer but that is not the same as the rest of this board. I don't have a problem with that and I am fine with discussing it with 4-5 people who are interested.
I love "Seize The Day" and "Kiss Of Venus" but "Find My Way" is the song that really sticks with me, it just IMO so very catchy. I remember feeling the same way the first time I heard "My Brave Face" many years ago. I have not given the songs on "McCartney III" any thought about where I would rank them, I will think about it in the near future and let you know -lol.
The song that sticks with me the most is probably Kiss of Venus. As far as ranking, it would be very hard for me to place each song individually, but using tiers I'd say something like:
Tier 1-
Find My Way: would have been a great single, very fun song
Pretty Boys: I love the guitar picking and the melody is absolutely beautiful
The Kiss of Venus: my favorite song on the album and a classic IMO
Seize the Day: great song, very catchy, and I think it sounds a little Beatles-ish
When Winter Comes: I love Paul's farm/country type songs, this one feels very cozy and comforting to me
Tier 2-
Long Tailed Winter Bird: I love the riff and how the guitar sounds a bit like a Mandolin
Women and Wives: good song, I think it sounds like it's from the Chaos and Creation album
Slidin': I'm glad Paul put at least this one rocker on the album, I like it a lot but not quite as much as some of the others
Lavatory Lil: a fun song and I enjoy it
Tier 3-
Deep Down: at first I disliked this one but I've come around on it a little bit, so now I'd say it's ok
Deep Deep Feeling: the only song on the album I dislike
Thanks for your great imput McCall on McCartney III.
I'm still listening to the full album but only once a day first thing in the morning. I'm just going on Paul's website and clicking on the All News portion and dropping down to December 17 when you can click down on the Buy/Stream tab of McCartney III. I then go to Spotify where recently I've been able to listen to the whole album without interruption or commercials. Thank God for Spotify.
I find it very interesting comparing my experience with Deep Deep Feeling to yours. Initially, like you, it was my least favorite track on McCartney III. But as I have fully digested McCartney III, my opinion has changed dramatically. Initially on the 2 long tracks, I thought that I liked Deep Down "better" than Deep Deep Feeling. But now I feel that "Deep Down" is much more repetitious and monotonous than Deep Deep Feeling. I now find that the latter song had far more changes (both vocally/lyric wise and musically) than Deep Down. Once I got into Deep Deep Feeling, I started to love the piano chords at around the 2:25 - 2:50 mark simultaneous to the Earth,Wind and Fire like vocals in the "so intense the joy of living, so immense the thrill of living" parts. Further on, I began loving the electric guitar parts followed by Paul's bass guitar coupled with his intense "drum parts". Vocally, this is when Paul sings the "Sometimes I wish it would stay, sometimes I wish it would go away" parts. I even like the "post" false ending when Paul changes to his acoustic guitar and brings back the intro vocal parts "When you love someone so much, you feel your heart's going to burst" parts. Now I think Deep Deep Feeling is one of the best songs on McCartney III. Now when I listen, it doesn't seem long at all. But you have get into the full song, close your eyes and just listen to the music.
Conversely, I would love to hear the full band's "live"treatment to Deep Down especially utilizing the added "horn players. While the album track becomes a little monotonous, I think the live version could potentially be a great "soul" track with the live horns and the Band's back-up vocals. Instead of an almost 6 minute track on the studo album, it could be more of a great 3-4 minute soul track. I can hear the Band singing the "Get deep down" parts.
The reason I'm hoping that Paul follows up McCartney IIi with a "live" full Band Concert is that I don't feel the pressure is on Paul. He can just enjoy himself which is where Paul generally does best. For the most part, he just needs his Band to follow his lead on McCartney III. I still think on the whole, McCartney III it is a brilliant album
At this point I agree with your Tier 1 and Tier 2 summary for the most part but I do love Slidin and Deep Deep Feeling now. I would love to also hear the full Band's "live" treatment of all the songs. As I said, the part where McCartney III really peaks to me is at track 6 (Deep Deep Feeling) followed by the next 3 tracks (Slidin, The Kiss of Venus and Seize the Day). I would absolutely love to hear all those tracks in a "live" concert. How exciting would it be to hear "The Kiss of Venus" and "When Winter Comes" in the acoustical part of the show.
Thanks again for teriffic imput.
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McCall wrote:
I agree with those saying they'd rather Paul stop the touring and focus on recording in the studio, it's his studio albums that are the most important to me. I was worried that New might be his last album, then that Egypt Station might be last, and now that McCartnet 3 might be last. I love all of them so the more the better as far as I'm concerned, especially since the quality of the albums is not dropping off at all.
Of the three most recent albums I think Egypt Station is the best (and one of the best of all Paul's albums) with New and McCartney 3 about tied just behind it.
I couldn't agree more McCall. I think Paul's latest stuff and last 3 albums specifically have been fantastic.
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Cover project
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From another group
«Long Tailed Winter Bird» Damon Albarn
«Find My Way» Beck
«Pretty Boys» Khruangbin
«Women and Wives» St. Vincent
«Lavatory Lil» Josh Homme
«Deep Deep Feeling» 3D (Robert del Naja from Massive Attack)
«Slidin'» Ed O'Brien
«The Kiss of Venus» Dominic Fike
«Seize the Day» Phoebe Bridgers
«Deep Down» Orange
«Winter Bird / When Winter Comes» .Paak -
I love Paul... as I love John... I cannot split their music..... I love them both equally (and I love George's contributions)...
But I listened to McCartney 3 again after a break...
and it just doesn't do it for me...
Doesn't mean I don't love Paul.... it's just this is the first new album of Paul's I've listened to over almost 40 years that I've never grabbed on to.
Some good songs, but just doesn't do it for me.
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toris wrote:
I love Paul... as I love John... I cannot split their music..... I love them both equally (and I love George's contributions)...
But I listened to McCartney 3 again after a break...
and it just doesn't do it for me...
Doesn't mean I don't love Paul.... it's just this is the first new album of Paul's I've listened to over almost 40 years that I've never grabbed on to.
Some good songs, but just doesn't do it for me.
Sorry you're not liking McCartney III as much as Yankeefan, Kestrel and I do. Just curious...are you listening to McCartney III with Headphones. I found that I could hear the various instruments that Paul plays a lot better using headphones and it gave me a greater appreciation of the songs/album.
I just put a "Best of McCartney Post Beatles" list thread up this morning. I had 3 McCartney III songs on it (Seize the Day, The Kiss of Venus and When Winter Comes) on my best 25 Paul song list and Yankeefan had 2 on his best 20 list (Slidin and Find My Way). I believe they are all great songs. My hope before McCartney III was released that he would have at least 5 very good to great songs on his new album and in my opinion, he did it with those 5. Just my opinion.
Paul is easily my favorite Beatle so I like his Post Beatle discography as much as I like his Beatle stuff.
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toris wrote:
I love Paul... as I love John... I cannot split their music..... I love them both equally (and I love George's contributions)...
But I listened to McCartney 3 again after a break...
and it just doesn't do it for me...
Doesn't mean I don't love Paul.... it's just this is the first new album of Paul's I've listened to over almost 40 years that I've never grabbed on to.
Some good songs, but just doesn't do it for me.
Yeah, I have to agree, sadly. The only one I really love is When Winter Comes. And that was recorded in 1992!
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B J Conlee wrote:
toris wrote:
I love Paul... as I love John... I cannot split their music..... I love them both equally (and I love George's contributions)...
But I listened to McCartney 3 again after a break...
and it just doesn't do it for me...
Doesn't mean I don't love Paul.... it's just this is the first new album of Paul's I've listened to over almost 40 years that I've never grabbed on to.
Some good songs, but just doesn't do it for me.
Sorry you're not liking McCartney III as much as Yankeefan, Kestrel and I do. Just curious...are you listening to McCartney III with Headphones. I found that I could hear the various instruments that Paul plays a lot better using headphones and it gave me a greater appreciation of the songs/album.
I just put a "Best of McCartney Post Beatles" list thread up this morning. I had 3 McCartney III songs on it (Seize the Day, The Kiss of Venus and When Winter Comes) on my best 25 Paul song list and Yankeefan had 2 on his best 20 list (Slidin and Find My Way). I believe they are all great songs. My hope before McCartney III was released that he would have at least 5 very good to great songs on his new album and in my opinion, he did it with those 5. Just my opinion.
Paul is easily my favorite Beatle so I like his Post Beatle discography as much as I like his Beatle stuff.
Mate, not about whether I am hearing it with headphones or not... but I am... I just don't particularly like the "feel" of the album...
Doesn't matter. Lots of albums and songs I love that others do not... and vice-versa...
At the end of the day, we all love Paul!
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Nancy R wrote:
Yeah, I have to agree, sadly. The only one I really love is When Winter Comes. And that was recorded in 1992!
That's the one that I don't like. It doesn't sound the same as the others because it's older.
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"Sorry you're not liking McCartney III as much as Yankeefan, Kestrel and I do"
BJ, I wish everyone liked it as much as us but to each their own. Honestly, I care mostly about critical acclaim of his new albums than most opinions on this board. The critical acclaim is what will determine his legacy many years from now, will he be just seen as "Beatle Paul" or will he also be recognized as a great solo artist. The reviews of the solo albums is what will be there historically, not our opinion -lol. Two songs that I think are the biggest pieces of garbage McCartney ever recorded (Bip Bop, Temporary Secretary) are liked by some people on this board. It just shows that everybody has different taste.
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
"Sorry you're not liking McCartney III as much as Yankeefan, Kestrel and I do"
BJ, I wish everyone liked it as much as us but to each their own. Honestly, I care mostly about critical acclaim of his new albums than most opinions on this board. The critical acclaim is what will determine his legacy many years from now, will he be just seen as "Beatle Paul" or will he also be recognized as a great solo artist. The reviews of the solo albums is what will be there historically, not our opinion -lol. Two songs that I think are the biggest pieces of garbage McCartney ever recorded (Bip Bop, Temporary Secretary) are liked by some people on this board. It just shows that everybody has different taste.
Great point Yankeefan and yes the critical acclaim for McCartney III was very good. I'm still hoping that Paul decides in the future to do a "special smaller scale show" with his full Band when they can. The other thing I hope is that the large majority of songs would be from his latter era albums like McCartney III, Egypt Station, New, Memory Almost Full and Chaos and Creation. He has enough good to great songs from those albums to do only songs they've never played on tour before. I think he can do it if he puts his mind to it and I think the Band would be in total favor. What a show that could be!! And I think the McCartney III songs would sound different (and maybe even better) with the full band playing their instruments and providing their added vocals. I know it's a long shot but we can only hope.
Talk later!
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
"Sorry you're not liking McCartney III as much as Yankeefan, Kestrel and I do"
BJ, I wish everyone liked it as much as us but to each their own. Honestly, I care mostly about critical acclaim of his new albums than most opinions on this board. The critical acclaim is what will determine his legacy many years from now, will he be just seen as "Beatle Paul" or will he also be recognized as a great solo artist. The reviews of the solo albums is what will be there historically, not our opinion -lol. Two songs that I think are the biggest pieces of garbage McCartney ever recorded (Bip Bop, Temporary Secretary) are liked by some people on this board. It just shows that everybody has different taste.
Ha! Yep, I'm one who likes Temporary Secretary.... I didn't when I first heard it those decades ago... I found it confusing... didn't like the "electronics"... but a few years later after I heard it, it really grew on me... and now, I love listening to it.
But, correct, different tastes for all!
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toris wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
"Sorry you're not liking McCartney III as much as Yankeefan, Kestrel and I do"
BJ, I wish everyone liked it as much as us but to each their own. Honestly, I care mostly about critical acclaim of his new albums than most opinions on this board. The critical acclaim is what will determine his legacy many years from now, will he be just seen as "Beatle Paul" or will he also be recognized as a great solo artist. The reviews of the solo albums is what will be there historically, not our opinion -lol. Two songs that I think are the biggest pieces of garbage McCartney ever recorded (Bip Bop, Temporary Secretary) are liked by some people on this board. It just shows that everybody has different taste.
Ha! Yep, I'm one who likes Temporary Secretary.... I didn't when I first heard it those decades ago... I found it confusing... didn't like the "electronics"... but a few years later after I heard it, it really grew on me... and now, I love listening to it.
But, correct, different tastes for all!
I like Temporary Secretary too! But I also like most of Mac3. Different strokes for different folks.
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oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Yeah, I have to agree, sadly. The only one I really love is When Winter Comes. And that was recorded in 1992!
That's the one that I don't like. It doesn't sound the same as the others because it's older.
I understand your point Oobu to a degree. On the other hand, I love "When Winter Comes" because I love the chorus in the song and I think it's a terrific closer bringing the album back full circle. I just had added the song in my updated Top 25 Paul Solo song list. Yes the track sounds different vocally than the others because the song is older (from 1992) but Paul places it wisely as the last song. It's not as though you hear "When Winter Comes" in the beginning or middle of the tracklist.
The best part of McCartney III, in my opinion, is track 6 (Deep Deep Feeling) followed by 3 brilliant tracks (Slidin, The Kiss of Venus and Seize the Day). I understand any fan not liking Deep Deep Feeling or Deep Down (the 2 long and jam-like tracks) but those 3 tracks in my opinion are very Beatleque or Wingish with great middle's or bridges.
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B J Conlee wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Yeah, I have to agree, sadly. The only one I really love is When Winter Comes. And that was recorded in 1992!
That's the one that I don't like. It doesn't sound the same as the others because it's older.
I understand your point Oobu to a degree. On the other hand, I love "When Winter Comes" because I love the chorus in the song and I think it's a terrific closer bringing the album back full circle. I just had added the song in my updated Top 25 Paul Solo song list. Yes the track sounds different vocally than the others because the song is older (from 1992) but Paul places it wisely as the last song. It's not as though you hear "When Winter Comes" in the beginning or middle of the tracklist.
The track sounding different vocally is not the problem for me. It sounds like a kid's song. I just don't care for it.
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"I'm still hoping that Paul decides in the future to do a "special smaller scale show" with his full Band when they can".
I believe BJ we will see some shows and smaller tours mid-summer early fall. It seems like the US for the most part will be totally vaccinated by June/July. I don't see any artist doing a world tour type of thing but maybe 10-15 shows in their home country or place like the US. I also think shows will not be held in sports stadiums and artists will stick to outdoor venues or small clubs. Paul still seems to want to perform live so it will be interesting what direction he would take. Is he still able to do a 2 1/2 hr show since he will be 79 in a couple of months? Personally, I think he would be able to do a "killer" show like the one you proposed at different locations in the UK. Shorter show, less travel and doing newer songs may invigorate him and the band. My personal opinion which I stated before is that if he does tour, he will do the usual show and the only real difference will be plugging in some "McCartney III" songs which IMO would probably replace the "Egypt Station" songs. I guess we will see what happens in a few months.
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
"I'm still hoping that Paul decides in the future to do a "special smaller scale show" with his full Band when they can".
I believe BJ we will see some shows and smaller tours mid-summer early fall. It seems like the US for the most part will be totally vaccinated by June/July. I don't see any artist doing a world tour type of thing but maybe 10-15 shows in their home country or place like the US. I also think shows will not be held in sports stadiums and artists will stick to outdoor venues or small clubs. Paul still seems to want to perform live so it will be interesting what direction he would take. Is he still able to do a 2 1/2 hr show since he will be 79 in a couple of months? Personally, I think he would be able to do a "killer" show like the one you proposed at different locations in the UK. Shorter show, less travel and doing newer songs may invigorate him and the band. My personal opinion which I stated before is that if he does tour, he will do the usual show and the only real difference will be plugging in some "McCartney III" songs which IMO would probably replace the "Egypt Station" songs. I guess we will see what happens in a few months.
Sadly I agree with your last point. Probably a typical tour show with 3-4 songs from McCartney III and the rest being Beatles and his 70 hits/Wings. We can certainly hope that Paul changes direction in his "live" shows but like you I doubt it. After we did our latest Best McCartney Solo songs on Maccaboard, they have the opportunity to do an all-Solo show from his recent albums with a great setlist of "songs never being done before on tour". He's got a great band who can help him greatly on the vocals. I know, I'm a dreamer.