"Out There" 2013 Setlist Critique and Suggestions
-
I understand. Nonetheless there are still hits from the 80's... -Coming Up -Tug of War -Take it Away -Pipes of Peace -No More Lonely Nights I think all these songs would easily fit into the current set. Coming Up in the opening electric set. Pipes of Peace in the piano set. Tug of War in the band acoustic set. Take it Away in the closing electric set. No More Lonely Nights opening the first encore.
-
oobu24:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
audi:
WixRocks!:
Wow, that's just what I'd expect from this forum. Everyone gets on here everyday and complains about no changes to the set and this and that and blah blah blah, then he finally does a noteworthy overhaul... 2009- 22 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 7 Solo 2010- 22 Beatles/ 10 Wings/ 5 Solo 2011- 25 Beatles/ 7 Wings/ 5 Solo 2012- 26 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 6 Solo --- 2013?- 23 Beatles/ 9 Songs/ 4 Solo ...
I'd like to see those numbers from each of those years...flipped.
I don't! But opinions aside, it isn't realistic at all. Paul McCartney is special and not really comparable. He certainly is not an oldies act either. I don't know any oldies acts that sell out stadiums. The Beach Boys are an oldies act. An Oldies act is something that takes songs that were hits back in their hey-day and just keeps cramming them at you. Paul takes songs that are 30+ years old, and consistently changes most of them. He has the biggest body of work in the history of modern music and while he could be more adventurous, the man has a LOT to accomplish in a night. He has to please so many different people...the newbies, the skeptic seconds, the significant other that was dragged along, the rock dinosaur that's seen him 100 times, the beatle fans, the wings fans, the solo fans (does anyone JUST like the solo music!? ) and the most important one....JOE SHMO. Joe Shmo is the one that won't be logical. He will be at the watercooler Monday morning talking to the rest of the world about how Paul "surprised everyone with Eleanor Rigby" and "told great stories about George Harrison and Jimi Hendrix"...that is the general public. That's probably about 60% of the fans at EVERY show.
I understand the spirit of what you are trying to say, but Paul is essentially playing songs from thirty years ago and further back. Just like the Beach Boys do. And the songs really are not being given any new spin or arrangements. SOMETHING is an exception. Having said that, when Paul releases a new CD later this year, and if he does a major tour and plays five songs off the new CD, then he will have regained the title of "relevant artist." And he IS still relevant, but he is also playing decades old music. I chuckled when I read Martin's post saying the new album Paul is promoting is WINGS OVER AMERICA! Come on!!
I would FR E A K I N love it if he changed up some of his oldies. Like a cover band. Everyone would still know all the words & could sing along & everyone may say...wow how current of him. But no...same key same everything. He will never do 5 of his new songs at one show.
In 89 and 93 he played 5 new songs at his shows. That is what made THOSE concerts contemporary and not merely nostalgia trips.
-
Driving Rain promoted 5 songs too...but C&C only got 4 songs in the set...and then the personal problems in 2007 prohibited touring for him and the oppourtunity to promote MAF dwindled to 2 songs on the next tour. I'm excluded those secret shows...that's not promoting, that's showing off some new songs to a VERY small fraction of folks.
-
audi:
Am I being too hard on Paul? It's just that -- to me -- the fact that he's a 70-year-old man -- is a non-issue. I still see him as the 40'ish creative genius that continues to thrive. why can't his concerts reflect that more? He's been touring his ass off since 2002. Trust me: He has sufficiently covered his Beatles catalog. Time for a new show.
I cannot believe how much I am agreeing with you today.
-
RMartinez:
oobu24:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
audi:
WixRocks!:
Wow, that's just what I'd expect from this forum. Everyone gets on here everyday and complains about no changes to the set and this and that and blah blah blah, then he finally does a noteworthy overhaul... 2009- 22 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 7 Solo 2010- 22 Beatles/ 10 Wings/ 5 Solo 2011- 25 Beatles/ 7 Wings/ 5 Solo 2012- 26 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 6 Solo --- 2013?- 23 Beatles/ 9 Songs/ 4 Solo ...
I'd like to see those numbers from each of those years...flipped.
I don't! But opinions aside, it isn't realistic at all. Paul McCartney is special and not really comparable. He certainly is not an oldies act either. I don't know any oldies acts that sell out stadiums. The Beach Boys are an oldies act. An Oldies act is something that takes songs that were hits back in their hey-day and just keeps cramming them at you. Paul takes songs that are 30+ years old, and consistently changes most of them. He has the biggest body of work in the history of modern music and while he could be more adventurous, the man has a LOT to accomplish in a night. He has to please so many different people...the newbies, the skeptic seconds, the significant other that was dragged along, the rock dinosaur that's seen him 100 times, the beatle fans, the wings fans, the solo fans (does anyone JUST like the solo music!? ) and the most important one....JOE SHMO. Joe Shmo is the one that won't be logical. He will be at the watercooler Monday morning talking to the rest of the world about how Paul "surprised everyone with Eleanor Rigby" and "told great stories about George Harrison and Jimi Hendrix"...that is the general public. That's probably about 60% of the fans at EVERY show.
I understand the spirit of what you are trying to say, but Paul is essentially playing songs from thirty years ago and further back. Just like the Beach Boys do. And the songs really are not being given any new spin or arrangements. SOMETHING is an exception. Having said that, when Paul releases a new CD later this year, and if he does a major tour and plays five songs off the new CD, then he will have regained the title of "relevant artist." And he IS still relevant, but he is also playing decades old music. I chuckled when I read Martin's post saying the new album Paul is promoting is WINGS OVER AMERICA! Come on!!
I would FR E A K I N love it if he changed up some of his oldies. Like a cover band. Everyone would still know all the words & could sing along & everyone may say...wow how current of him. But no...same key same everything. He will never do 5 of his new songs at one show.
In 89 and 93 he played 5 new songs at his shows. That is what made THOSE concerts contemporary and not merely nostalgia trips.
Seven, possibly eight, if you include the Up Close thing for MTV. He performed "Big Boys Bickering," "Get Out Of My Way" and "I Owe It All To You."
-
oobu24:
audi:
Am I being too hard on Paul? It's just that -- to me -- the fact that he's a 70-year-old man -- is a non-issue. I still see him as the 40'ish creative genius that continues to thrive. why can't his concerts reflect that more? He's been touring his ass off since 2002. Trust me: He has sufficiently covered his Beatles catalog. Time for a new show.
I cannot believe how much I am agreeing with you today.
Must be a full moon.
-
audi:
RMartinez:
oobu24:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
audi:
WixRocks!:
Wow, that's just what I'd expect from this forum. Everyone gets on here everyday and complains about no changes to the set and this and that and blah blah blah, then he finally does a noteworthy overhaul... 2009- 22 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 7 Solo 2010- 22 Beatles/ 10 Wings/ 5 Solo 2011- 25 Beatles/ 7 Wings/ 5 Solo 2012- 26 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 6 Solo --- 2013?- 23 Beatles/ 9 Songs/ 4 Solo ...
I'd like to see those numbers from each of those years...flipped.
I don't! But opinions aside, it isn't realistic at all. Paul McCartney is special and not really comparable. He certainly is not an oldies act either. I don't know any oldies acts that sell out stadiums. The Beach Boys are an oldies act. An Oldies act is something that takes songs that were hits back in their hey-day and just keeps cramming them at you. Paul takes songs that are 30+ years old, and consistently changes most of them. He has the biggest body of work in the history of modern music and while he could be more adventurous, the man has a LOT to accomplish in a night. He has to please so many different people...the newbies, the skeptic seconds, the significant other that was dragged along, the rock dinosaur that's seen him 100 times, the beatle fans, the wings fans, the solo fans (does anyone JUST like the solo music!? ) and the most important one....JOE SHMO. Joe Shmo is the one that won't be logical. He will be at the watercooler Monday morning talking to the rest of the world about how Paul "surprised everyone with Eleanor Rigby" and "told great stories about George Harrison and Jimi Hendrix"...that is the general public. That's probably about 60% of the fans at EVERY show.
I understand the spirit of what you are trying to say, but Paul is essentially playing songs from thirty years ago and further back. Just like the Beach Boys do. And the songs really are not being given any new spin or arrangements. SOMETHING is an exception. Having said that, when Paul releases a new CD later this year, and if he does a major tour and plays five songs off the new CD, then he will have regained the title of "relevant artist." And he IS still relevant, but he is also playing decades old music. I chuckled when I read Martin's post saying the new album Paul is promoting is WINGS OVER AMERICA! Come on!!
I would FR E A K I N love it if he changed up some of his oldies. Like a cover band. Everyone would still know all the words & could sing along & everyone may say...wow how current of him. But no...same key same everything. He will never do 5 of his new songs at one show.
In 89 and 93 he played 5 new songs at his shows. That is what made THOSE concerts contemporary and not merely nostalgia trips.
Seven, possibly eight, if you include the Up Close thing for MTV. He performed "Big Boys Bickering," "Get Out Of My Way" and "I Owe It All To You."
True. I loved the OFF THE GROUND tour.
-
RMartinez:
oobu24:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
audi:
WixRocks!:
Wow, that's just what I'd expect from this forum. Everyone gets on here everyday and complains about no changes to the set and this and that and blah blah blah, then he finally does a noteworthy overhaul... 2009- 22 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 7 Solo 2010- 22 Beatles/ 10 Wings/ 5 Solo 2011- 25 Beatles/ 7 Wings/ 5 Solo 2012- 26 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 6 Solo --- 2013?- 23 Beatles/ 9 Songs/ 4 Solo ...
I'd like to see those numbers from each of those years...flipped.
I don't! But opinions aside, it isn't realistic at all. Paul McCartney is special and not really comparable. He certainly is not an oldies act either. I don't know any oldies acts that sell out stadiums. The Beach Boys are an oldies act. An Oldies act is something that takes songs that were hits back in their hey-day and just keeps cramming them at you. Paul takes songs that are 30+ years old, and consistently changes most of them. He has the biggest body of work in the history of modern music and while he could be more adventurous, the man has a LOT to accomplish in a night. He has to please so many different people...the newbies, the skeptic seconds, the significant other that was dragged along, the rock dinosaur that's seen him 100 times, the beatle fans, the wings fans, the solo fans (does anyone JUST like the solo music!? ) and the most important one....JOE SHMO. Joe Shmo is the one that won't be logical. He will be at the watercooler Monday morning talking to the rest of the world about how Paul "surprised everyone with Eleanor Rigby" and "told great stories about George Harrison and Jimi Hendrix"...that is the general public. That's probably about 60% of the fans at EVERY show.
I understand the spirit of what you are trying to say, but Paul is essentially playing songs from thirty years ago and further back. Just like the Beach Boys do. And the songs really are not being given any new spin or arrangements. SOMETHING is an exception. Having said that, when Paul releases a new CD later this year, and if he does a major tour and plays five songs off the new CD, then he will have regained the title of "relevant artist." And he IS still relevant, but he is also playing decades old music. I chuckled when I read Martin's post saying the new album Paul is promoting is WINGS OVER AMERICA! Come on!!
I would FR E A K I N love it if he changed up some of his oldies. Like a cover band. Everyone would still know all the words & could sing along & everyone may say...wow how current of him. But no...same key same everything. He will never do 5 of his new songs at one show.
In 89 and 93 he played 5 new songs at his shows. That is what made THOSE concerts contemporary and not merely nostalgia trips.
But I doubt he will do that again. That was a loong time ago. I always thought he started touring again to get out of the house...when he married you know who.
-
audi:
I got through high-school playing Press To Play from beginning to end all the time. I went to college motivated by Flowers In The Dirt and Off The Ground. And I bought every CD-single for Off The Ground. Same for Flaming Pie, which blew me away. As a young professional, I was delighted to see Paul get back in the saddle and floor me with monsters like "Run Devil Run" and 'Try not To Cry." And he's been on a roll since Driving Rain...and on and on. These are memories of my Paul McCartney experience. And they deserve every bit as much respect as any other Beatles or Wings hit.
at least You could address me personally & quote my thought out post to you Why, I neveaaaaaa..... haha! carry on~
-
Heather encouraged Paul.. to get back on the road.... Let's just say everyone's correct on this thread... ALL have valid points~
-
harleyblues:
Heather encouraged Paul.. to get back on the road.... Let's just say everyone's correct on this thread... ALL have valid points~
Not in 1989. But yes, perhaps 2002 was a different story, with more Beatles tunes!!
-
RMartinez:
oobu24:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
audi:
WixRocks!:
Wow, that's just what I'd expect from this forum. Everyone gets on here everyday and complains about no changes to the set and this and that and blah blah blah, then he finally does a noteworthy overhaul... 2009- 22 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 7 Solo 2010- 22 Beatles/ 10 Wings/ 5 Solo 2011- 25 Beatles/ 7 Wings/ 5 Solo 2012- 26 Beatles/ 6 Wings/ 6 Solo --- 2013?- 23 Beatles/ 9 Songs/ 4 Solo ...
I'd like to see those numbers from each of those years...flipped.
I don't! But opinions aside, it isn't realistic at all. Paul McCartney is special and not really comparable. He certainly is not an oldies act either. I don't know any oldies acts that sell out stadiums. The Beach Boys are an oldies act. An Oldies act is something that takes songs that were hits back in their hey-day and just keeps cramming them at you. Paul takes songs that are 30+ years old, and consistently changes most of them. He has the biggest body of work in the history of modern music and while he could be more adventurous, the man has a LOT to accomplish in a night. He has to please so many different people...the newbies, the skeptic seconds, the significant other that was dragged along, the rock dinosaur that's seen him 100 times, the beatle fans, the wings fans, the solo fans (does anyone JUST like the solo music!? ) and the most important one....JOE SHMO. Joe Shmo is the one that won't be logical. He will be at the watercooler Monday morning talking to the rest of the world about how Paul "surprised everyone with Eleanor Rigby" and "told great stories about George Harrison and Jimi Hendrix"...that is the general public. That's probably about 60% of the fans at EVERY show.
I understand the spirit of what you are trying to say, but Paul is essentially playing songs from thirty years ago and further back. Just like the Beach Boys do. And the songs really are not being given any new spin or arrangements. SOMETHING is an exception. Having said that, when Paul releases a new CD later this year, and if he does a major tour and plays five songs off the new CD, then he will have regained the title of "relevant artist." And he IS still relevant, but he is also playing decades old music. I chuckled when I read Martin's post saying the new album Paul is promoting is WINGS OVER AMERICA! Come on!!
I would FR E A K I N love it if he changed up some of his oldies. Like a cover band. Everyone would still know all the words & could sing along & everyone may say...wow how current of him. But no...same key same everything. He will never do 5 of his new songs at one show.
In 89 and 93 he played 5 new songs at his shows. That is what made THOSE concerts contemporary and not merely nostalgia trips.
I looked back at setlist of 1993 show I saw in Charlotte that was televised by FOX. McCartney played 6 songs from "Off The Ground" and also did "Coming Up which makes it a total of 7 songs from his solo work. He also did 5 Wings songs and 3 1950's cover songs, played 32 songs in total.
-
RMartinez:
harleyblues:
Heather encouraged Paul.. to get back on the road.... Let's just say everyone's correct on this thread... ALL have valid points~
Not in 1989. But yes, perhaps 2002 was a different story, with more Beatles tunes!!
Right! Heather gave Paul a new lease on life...I appreciate her for that.... sad their marriage ended .. I thought she was a lovely person .. she was friendly with fans and gave things to Paul from us and gave us guitar pics... we never know what happens behind closed doors... both strong personalities.... so Thanx to Heather Mills for getting Paul back on tour - reguardless of what he plays - we all should be grateful if others don't wanna pay to see him for the setlist that's their loss~
-
I am not surprised the set stayed Bestles-heavy, so I'm glad that at least if he had to add more Beatles, he chose 5 songs he's never done before. But as I said in the other thread last night, two of the newer nonBeatles songs have gone, replaced by much older songs. If he is going to go older, at least give us Helen Wheels! Instead of Listen to What the Man Said. That's a personal change I wish he would make. Otherwise, I'm glad for the 5 different songs I will get, happy that the platform seems to only be on two songs that I've already seen so I won't miss much, looking forward to rocking to Hi Hi Hi, and VERY glad that I went to 12-12-12 and saw the premiere of Cut Me Some Slack, an actual new song. I know this set will make two of my friends who are seeing Paul for the first time very,very happy.
-
Just for some perspective: Can you imagine people in 1965 paying about $75 to see a performer sing songs from the year 1915?? Or in 1975 paying about $100 to hear someone sing songs from 1925? Or in 2013 paying $1000 to hear a singer sing songs from 1963? Ooops! Nevermind!
-
RMartinez:
Just for some perspective: Can you imagine people in 1965 paying about $75 to see a performer sing songs from the year 1915?? Or in 1975 paying about $100 to hear someone sing songs from 1925? Or in 2013 paying $1000 to hear a singer sing songs from 1963? Ooops! Nevermind!
sorry, I hafta lol's at that one kinda funny~
-
audi:
I got through high-school playing Press To Play from beginning to end all the time. I went to college motivated by Flowers In The Dirt and Off The Ground. And I bought every CD-single for Off The Ground. Same for Flaming Pie, which blew me away. As a young professional, I was delighted to see Paul get back in the saddle and floor me with monsters like "Run Devil Run" and 'Try not To Cry." And he's been on a roll since Driving Rain...and on and on. These are memories of my Paul McCartney experience. And they deserve every bit as much respect as any other Beatles or Wings hit.
I know what you mean. Being a child of the '80s and '90s, that's the Paul I grew up with, and PTP, FITD, OTG, and FP are some of the solo albums I listen to the most. I would welcome any of those songs into the setlist with open arms! Also, I do like the setlist changes and we may still see one or two surprises on the tour pop up...perhaps an alternate opening to go with "Eight Days a Week". I would love to see a live album come out of this tour by its end. Sure we got NYC 4 years or so ago, but the world tour live albums of '89, '90, and '93 were pretty close together, too.
-
RMartinez:
Just for some perspective: Can you imagine people in 1965 paying about $75 to see a performer sing songs from the year 1915?? Or in 1975 paying about $100 to hear someone sing songs from 1925? Or in 2013 paying $1000 to hear a singer sing songs from 1963? Ooops! Nevermind!
Being a Paul AND Beatles fan, I for one don't mind hearing those Beatles songs live sung by someone who WAS a Beatle. Not saying I don't ever want to hear his solo stuff as well, because I do enjoy that as well, but I sure as heck don't mind hearing songs from 1963 sung live.
-
An interesting point was raised...think he'll alternate the opener? I wonder if it would be another "brand new beatles song" if he does? Since virtually anything seems fair game now, I'd say go for "I Feel Fine"!
-
Ok so I complained a little last night...but I hadn't heard the additions! I'd love a couple more changed and it'd be almost perfect but bloody hell the new additions sound incredible!! All Together Now is a bit throwaway but it sounds really fun! I still don't like him playing Mr Kite though, give Silly Love Songs that slot!! Oh and did I mention...HI HI HI!?!?!?! Biggest shock by a long way...AMAZING!