Beatles US albums to be released in January
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Foxx54:
Apart from the 'dexterized' versions with reverb added, fake stereo constructions and what have you, there are also 'real' differences here and there. An extra verse in Run for your life, a false start in I'm looking through you, extra Lennon vocals and harmonies in The Word and perhaps others as well. Can some good soul tell us if they included those differences? The abovementioned are all on (the stereo version of) Rubber Soul, so perhaps I'll pick just that one and The Beatles Story. With the 2009 mono and stereo boxes I'm fine otherwise.
My understanding is they've preserved those 'real' differences, but I think, for some of them, they may have 'recreated' them from the UK masters instead of the US ones. Blue Jay Hey confirmed some of these differences a page or two back. I have to admit: I'm not aware of an extra verse on "Run For Your Life" anywhere, though I do know of the one for "I'll Cry Instead." Am I wrong? Unfortunately, The Beatles' Story is not being sold separately, or I would get that one for sure!
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Nancy R:
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Uh-oh, better brace yourself for "Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand"!
I knew someone would mention that one! (or Sie Liebt Dich)
Ja!
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favoritething:
I have to admit: I'm not aware of an extra verse on "Run For Your Life" anywhere, though I do know of the one for "I'll Cry Instead." Am I wrong? Unfortunately, The Beatles' Story is not being sold separately, or I would get that one for sure!
You are right I was wrong. The extra lines are in Run for your Life. Beatles Story not available seperately. Hm. Only Rubber Soul, then, I guess.
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~lady*madonna~:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
The new box set is a total fraud!!! These are NOT the Capitol albums released in the 60s, not even close. (I have the Capitol Albums Volumes 1 & 2 CDs, which ARE the Capitol albums with the unique mixes.) The ones in the new box are essentially only the 2009 versions repackaged. I was fool enough to buy the entire new box set from Amazon....$183.00, including tax...for what amounts to new sleeves and song sequencing. What a massive fraud!!! Shame on Capitol. Shame on Apple. Shame on The Beatles.
Thank you for posting this, you just reaffirmed my decision not to purchase this. I have all the original vinyl, the Blue & Red sets, the Capitol Years, Beatles 1 and the UK albums boxed set...so I'm good.
The more Beatles the merrier I always say. I think Capitol did a fine job with these. The mini-LP packaging and the sound quality is outstanding! It's just great to see more Beatles product in 2014!
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Foxx54:
Apart from the 'dexterized' versions with reverb added, fake stereo constructions and what have you, there are also 'real' differences here and there. An extra verse in Run for your life, a false start in I'm looking through you, extra Lennon vocals and harmonies in The Word and perhaps others as well. Can some good soul tell us if they included those differences? The abovementioned are all on (the stereo version of) Rubber Soul, so perhaps I'll pick just that one and The Beatles Story. With the 2009 mono and stereo boxes I'm fine otherwise.
The false start was on the original U.S. album (song), wasn't it? Don't have time to check.
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OBSESSIVE ALERT: This post is only for people who care about the historical authenticity of the U.S. Albums box. All others may happily ignore! Extreme fans are weighing in on the contents of the box, having scoured each track to compare it with the original U.S. version (or versions, since Y&T had a different mix that came out in the '70s, to further complicate things). Check out this link: http://wogew.blogspot.com/2014/01/us-albums-mixes-used.html?m=1 It's the WogBlog post that quotes from a Steve Hoffman forum obsessive who has come up with a crazily-detailed-annotated reference of all of the tracks in the box. To clarify as best I can, anything in green uses the correct basic mix for that song; however, many of them are missing some or all of the extra reverb that Capitol added to the mix before releasing, and most of them are actually sourced from the 2009 remasters, not the Capitol tapes from the sixties. Anything in red is not the correct basic mix, and mostly this was when Capitol had originally used mono that was just "folded down" from the stereo (which Capitol claimed gave it more "punch"), or they had used stereo that was fake/"duophonic" stereo created from the mono; but sometimes it was because they simply felt like using George Martin's stereo remixes from the 1987 CDs (but sourced from the 2009 remasters, which also used them). Suffice it to say that the only tracks that seem to be taken from Capitol's original tapes are the unique US mixes that are underlined and bold and in green (this adds up to 20 total tracks, by my count). Still terribly confusing, I know. But then, check this one out: http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2014/01/21/the-u-s-albums-box-set-a-comparison-with-the-original-capitol-releases/ This guy went through the tracks that were the most notorious for having noticeable differences (like the false starts on "I'm Looking Through You" or longer fadeouts or different vocal features) from the British versions, and he finds that more often than not, they still don't match up correctly, even though the makers of the box claimed to be recreating these anomalies as best they could, even when they weren't actually using the original mix. (For example, the U.S. "James Bond intro" to "Help!" is tacked onto the British version of the song, which has a different lead vocal with noticeable differences.) And just for good measure, there's this resource that documents all the differences among all the mixes and released versions (US, UK, stereo, mono, etc.) of all the original songs. Hasn't been updated since 2000, but still a pretty good resource (but not the only one, for sure!). http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/
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Nancy R:
~lady*madonna~:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
The new box set is a total fraud!!! These are NOT the Capitol albums released in the 60s, not even close. (I have the Capitol Albums Volumes 1 & 2 CDs, which ARE the Capitol albums with the unique mixes.) The ones in the new box are essentially only the 2009 versions repackaged. I was fool enough to buy the entire new box set from Amazon....$183.00, including tax...for what amounts to new sleeves and song sequencing. What a massive fraud!!! Shame on Capitol. Shame on Apple. Shame on The Beatles.
Thank you for posting this, you just reaffirmed my decision not to purchase this. I have all the original vinyl, the Blue & Red sets, the Capitol Years, Beatles 1 and the UK albums boxed set...so I'm good.
Amazon has it for $169.98 and The Beatles Shop for $165.00. Oh, I guess your sales tax must be higher than mine, because would only be $180.18 at Amazon (and free shipping)
Actually, my total cost was $173.81...(I guess I got carried away with the $183.00???) and the set arrived within hours of being released...in a sporty white car with 'SD' marking on its side (Special Delivery???). A guy wearing a red jacket brought them to my door!!! I didn't pay extra for that. Don't know why Amazon did that, but was pleased!!!
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favoritething:
OBSESSIVE ALERT: This post is only for people who care about the historical authenticity of the U.S. Albums box. All others may happily ignore! Extreme fans are weighing in on the contents of the box, having scoured each track to compare it with the original U.S. version (or versions, since Y&T had a different mix that came out in the '70s, to further complicate things). Check out this link: http://wogew.blogspot.com/2014/01/us-albums-mixes-used.html?m=1 It's the WogBlog post that quotes from a Steve Hoffman forum obsessive who has come up with a crazily-detailed-annotated reference of all of the tracks in the box. To clarify as best I can, anything in green uses the correct basic mix for that song; however, many of them are missing some or all of the extra reverb that Capitol added to the mix before releasing, and most of them are actually sourced from the 2009 remasters, not the Capitol tapes from the sixties. Anything in red is not the correct basic mix, and mostly this was when Capitol had originally used mono that was just "folded down" from the stereo (which Capitol claimed gave it more "punch"), or they had used stereo that was fake/"duophonic" stereo created from the mono; but sometimes it was because they simply felt like using George Martin's stereo remixes from the 1987 CDs (but sourced from the 2009 remasters, which also used them). Suffice it to say that the only tracks that seem to be taken from Capitol's original tapes are the unique US mixes that are underlined and bold and in green (this adds up to 20 total tracks, by my count). Still terribly confusing, I know. But then, check this one out: http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2014/01/21/the-u-s-albums-box-set-a-comparison-with-the-original-capitol-releases/ This guy went through the tracks that were the most notorious for having noticeable differences (like the false starts on "I'm Looking Through You" or longer fadeouts or different vocal features) from the British versions, and he finds that more often than not, they still don't match up correctly, even though the makers of the box claimed to be recreating these anomalies as best they could, even when they weren't actually using the original mix. (For example, the U.S. "James Bond intro" to "Help!" is tacked onto the British version of the song, which has a different lead vocal with noticeable differences.) And just for good measure, there's this resource that documents all the differences among all the mixes and released versions (US, UK, stereo, mono, etc.) of all the original songs. Hasn't been updated since 2000, but still a pretty good resource (but not the only one, for sure!). http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/
So, Capitol botched the whole thing from beginning to end. Maybe that's what they meant when they said these ARE the Capitol albums....botched anyway you look at them, just as they were in the 60s!!! Just in a different way. ops: :
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
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OBSESSIVE ALERT: This post is only for people who care about the historical authenticity of the U.S. Albums box. All others may happily ignore! Extreme fans are weighing in on the contents of the box, having scoured each track to compare it with the original U.S. version (or versions, since Y&T had a different mix that came out in the '70s, to further complicate things). Check out this link: http://wogew.blogspot.com/2014/01/us-albums-mixes-used.html?m=1 It's the WogBlog post that quotes from a Steve Hoffman forum obsessive who has come up with a crazily-detailed-annotated reference of all of the tracks in the box. To clarify as best I can, anything in green uses the correct basic mix for that song; however, many of them are missing some or all of the extra reverb that Capitol added to the mix before releasing, and most of them are actually sourced from the 2009 remasters, not the Capitol tapes from the sixties. Anything in red is not the correct basic mix, and mostly this was when Capitol had originally used mono that was just "folded down" from the stereo (which Capitol claimed gave it more "punch"), or they had used stereo that was fake/"duophonic" stereo created from the mono; but sometimes it was because they simply felt like using George Martin's stereo remixes from the 1987 CDs (but sourced from the 2009 remasters, which also used them). Suffice it to say that the only tracks that seem to be taken from Capitol's original tapes are the unique US mixes that are underlined and bold and in green (this adds up to 20 total tracks, by my count). Still terribly confusing, I know. But then, check this one out: http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2014/01/21/the-u-s-albums-box-set-a-comparison-with-the-original-capitol-releases/ This guy went through the tracks that were the most notorious for having noticeable differences (like the false starts on "I'm Looking Through You" or longer fadeouts or different vocal features) from the British versions, and he finds that more often than not, they still don't match up correctly, even though the makers of the box claimed to be recreating these anomalies as best they could, even when they weren't actually using the original mix. (For example, the U.S. "James Bond intro" to "Help!" is tacked onto the British version of the song, which has a different lead vocal with noticeable differences.) And just for good measure, there's this resource that documents all the differences among all the mixes and released versions (US, UK, stereo, mono, etc.) of all the original songs. Hasn't been updated since 2000, but still a pretty good resource (but not the only one, for sure!). http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/
So, Capitol botched the whole thing from beginning to end. Maybe that's what they meant when they said these ARE the Capitol albums....botched anyway you look at them, just as they were in the 60s!!! Just in a different way. ops: :
Botched, as far as historical accuracy, although if Paul/Ringo/Yoko/Olivia wanted the best possible mixes out there representing them, then I suppose it's more of a success. Hey, maybe I should get it after all, just for the Special Delivery!
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
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OBSESSIVE ALERT: This post is only for people who care about the historical authenticity of the U.S. Albums box. All others may happily ignore! Extreme fans are weighing in on the contents of the box, having scoured each track to compare it with the original U.S. version (or versions, since Y&T had a different mix that came out in the '70s, to further complicate things). Check out this link: http://wogew.blogspot.com/2014/01/us-albums-mixes-used.html?m=1 It's the WogBlog post that quotes from a Steve Hoffman forum obsessive who has come up with a crazily-detailed-annotated reference of all of the tracks in the box. To clarify as best I can, anything in green uses the correct basic mix for that song; however, many of them are missing some or all of the extra reverb that Capitol added to the mix before releasing, and most of them are actually sourced from the 2009 remasters, not the Capitol tapes from the sixties. Anything in red is not the correct basic mix, and mostly this was when Capitol had originally used mono that was just "folded down" from the stereo (which Capitol claimed gave it more "punch"), or they had used stereo that was fake/"duophonic" stereo created from the mono; but sometimes it was because they simply felt like using George Martin's stereo remixes from the 1987 CDs (but sourced from the 2009 remasters, which also used them). Suffice it to say that the only tracks that seem to be taken from Capitol's original tapes are the unique US mixes that are underlined and bold and in green (this adds up to 20 total tracks, by my count). Still terribly confusing, I know. But then, check this one out: http://www.thebeatlesrarity.com/2014/01/21/the-u-s-albums-box-set-a-comparison-with-the-original-capitol-releases/ This guy went through the tracks that were the most notorious for having noticeable differences (like the false starts on "I'm Looking Through You" or longer fadeouts or different vocal features) from the British versions, and he finds that more often than not, they still don't match up correctly, even though the makers of the box claimed to be recreating these anomalies as best they could, even when they weren't actually using the original mix. (For example, the U.S. "James Bond intro" to "Help!" is tacked onto the British version of the song, which has a different lead vocal with noticeable differences.) And just for good measure, there's this resource that documents all the differences among all the mixes and released versions (US, UK, stereo, mono, etc.) of all the original songs. Hasn't been updated since 2000, but still a pretty good resource (but not the only one, for sure!). http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/
So, Capitol botched the whole thing from beginning to end. Maybe that's what they meant when they said these ARE the Capitol albums....botched anyway you look at them, just as they were in the 60s!!! Just in a different way. ops: :
Botched, as far as historical accuracy, although if Paul/Ringo/Yoko/Olivia wanted the best possible mixes out there representing them, then I suppose it's more of a success. Hey, maybe I should get it after all, just for the Special Delivery!
One wonders then, why they didn't use the corrected version of "Day Tripper", where the brief guitar 'fall out' was fixed.....as far back as the "1" album!! Oh, and the guy with the red jacket delivering the box set (in the white car) also wore a white shirt, white trousers and black shoes, perhaps to match the red/black markings on the car doors (as part of the SD insignia) of the white car! I was quite impressed!!!!
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Wow. Listening to the U.S. Capital version of Rubber Soul right now. Its like a totally different album experience. Now I know why many Beatles biographers in the 1970s rated Rubber Soul as the best Beatles album .
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favoritething:
Botched, as far as historical accuracy, although if Paul/Ringo/Yoko/Olivia wanted the best possible mixes out there representing them, then I suppose it's more of a success. Hey, maybe I should get it after all, just for the Special Delivery!
Only if the delivery guy is cute!
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If you want the American mixes find The Capitol Years Vol 1 and 2 box sets. It says they were made from the original Capitol master tapes. At least Vol 1 does.
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What they should of done to satisfy everyone is put out US Capitol albums with original US mixes first and followed by the original UK mixes on each CD (not using the 2009 or 1980's CD release masters but go back to original master tapes and do a straight analogue to digital transfer using the most current transfer technology to get the best sound ). It would of been interesting comparing US sound to UK sound when back to back on one CD. I guess you would have to have seperate stereo and mono CDs. And in seperate box sets as they did with 2009 releases or put stereo and mono versions in one big box set. I would of also included Magical Mystery Tour with it's original fake stereo mixes into the US Capitol albums box set where it rightfully belongs.
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Apollo C. Vermouth:
What they should of done to satisfy everyone is put out US Capitol albums with original US mixes first and followed by the original UK mixes on each CD (not using the 2009 or 1980's CD release masters but go back to original master tapes and do a straight analogue to digital transfer using the most current transfer technology to get the best sound ). It would of been interesting comparing US sound to UK sound when back to back on one CD. I guess you would have to have seperate stereo and mono CDs. And in seperate box sets as they did with 2009 releases or put stereo and mono versions in one big box set. I would of also included Magical Mystery Tour with it's original fake stereo mixes into the US Capitol albums box set where it rightfully belongs.
That would be one big expensive boxed set! I don't know, there really was no way they could have pleased everybody. If they had used all the proper US sources, we would have complained that we're buying the same eight CDs we just bought in the Capitol Years boxes... unless they re-remastered those albums to be more in line with the 2009 standards. But still, you'd get consumers complaining that some of the stereo tracks are not really stereo, and so on. I think the only way they would have included the fake-stereo MMT would have been if they retained all the other fake stereo tracks, but then explaining this to the average consumer would again have been an uphill climb. And to be totally authentic, they would have had to include additional discs anyway, because some of the fake stereo US tracks released in the sixties got released in true stereo in pressings in the '70s. Another lovely mess!
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beatlesfanrandy:
If you want the American mixes find The Capitol Years Vol 1 and 2 box sets. It says they were made from the original Capitol master tapes. At least Vol 1 does.
I'm a bit confused about the American version of "Rubber Soul". The "Help" songs on the album have the lead vocal in the middle of the mix, which sound fine, the others are...or seem to be...on the far right. Except for George's "Think For Yourself"...always a "Rubber Soul" song....but the vocal is perfectly placed in the middle. It seems like it could have been recorded at a completely different time than the other "Rubber Soul" songs or for a different album. I guess my question is: Was this really how the American version of the album was in the 60s? Why didn't they do the fake stereo to channel the vocals on both sides of the mix so they appear to be in the middle like they did for "Beatles 65", "Beatles VI", etc.,??? Not to mention the reverb, which doesn't seem to be on "Rubber Soul" at all. Would you have any insight on that? :
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Nancy R:
favoritething:
Botched, as far as historical accuracy, although if Paul/Ringo/Yoko/Olivia wanted the best possible mixes out there representing them, then I suppose it's more of a success. Hey, maybe I should get it after all, just for the Special Delivery!
Only if the delivery guy is cute!
Actually, he sort of was!! You know, a guy in a "uniform" and all that, and he was very polite!! He turned and waved as he walked back to his car!
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
beatlesfanrandy:
If you want the American mixes find The Capitol Years Vol 1 and 2 box sets. It says they were made from the original Capitol master tapes. At least Vol 1 does.
I'm a bit confused about the American version of "Rubber Soul". The "Help" songs on the album have the lead vocal in the middle of the mix, which sound fine, the others are...or seem to be...on the far right. Except for George's "Think For Yourself"...always a "Rubber Soul" song....but the vocal is perfectly placed in the middle. It seems like it could have been recorded at a completely different time than the other "Rubber Soul" songs or for a different album. I guess my question is: Was this really how the American version of the album was in the 60s? Why didn't they do the fake stereo to channel the vocals on both sides of the mix so they appear to be in the middle like they did for "Beatles 65", "Beatles VI", etc.,??? Not to mention the reverb, which doesn't seem to be on "Rubber Soul" at all. Would you have any insight on that? :
I do remember many of those vocals being way to the right. Back in the '70s/'80s, I used to love playing with the balance so you would only hear half the instruments and vocals depending on whether you went all the way to the left or right. Paul has even talked about that issue, saying he was at a party once when the album was playing, and he said to someone, "Listen to the drums on this track," and they went close to one speaker, and the drums weren't there!
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
beatlesfanrandy:
If you want the American mixes find The Capitol Years Vol 1 and 2 box sets. It says they were made from the original Capitol master tapes. At least Vol 1 does.
I'm a bit confused about the American version of "Rubber Soul". The "Help" songs on the album have the lead vocal in the middle of the mix, which sound fine, the others are...or seem to be...on the far right. Except for George's "Think For Yourself"...always a "Rubber Soul" song....but the vocal is perfectly placed in the middle. It seems like it could have been recorded at a completely different time than the other "Rubber Soul" songs or for a different album. I guess my question is: Was this really how the American version of the album was in the 60s? Why didn't they do the fake stereo to channel the vocals on both sides of the mix so they appear to be in the middle like they did for "Beatles 65", "Beatles VI", etc.,??? Not to mention the reverb, which doesn't seem to be on "Rubber Soul" at all. Would you have any insight on that? :
I do remember many of those vocals being way to the right. Back in the '70s/'80s, I used to love playing with the balance so you would only hear half the instruments and vocals depending on whether you went all the way to the left or right. Paul has even talked about that issue, saying he was at a party once when the album was playing, and he said to someone, "Listen to the drums on this track," and they went close to one speaker, and the drums weren't there!
What was really freaky was being in a store...a big store...that had one speaker in one end and another in the other end. Sometimes, one could hear only the vocals or partials of them and no or very limited instrumentation, or vice versa....depending on where I was standing at the time. Very weird. Hearing "Revolution" like that was truly strange! I would sort of rush to the center of the store to balance it all out!!! As I recall, the Mama and Papas recordings were a lot like that too.
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
beatlesfanrandy:
If you want the American mixes find The Capitol Years Vol 1 and 2 box sets. It says they were made from the original Capitol master tapes. At least Vol 1 does.
I'm a bit confused about the American version of "Rubber Soul". The "Help" songs on the album have the lead vocal in the middle of the mix, which sound fine, the others are...or seem to be...on the far right. Except for George's "Think For Yourself"...always a "Rubber Soul" song....but the vocal is perfectly placed in the middle. It seems like it could have been recorded at a completely different time than the other "Rubber Soul" songs or for a different album. I guess my question is: Was this really how the American version of the album was in the 60s? Why didn't they do the fake stereo to channel the vocals on both sides of the mix so they appear to be in the middle like they did for "Beatles 65", "Beatles VI", etc.,??? Not to mention the reverb, which doesn't seem to be on "Rubber Soul" at all. Would you have any insight on that? :
I do remember many of those vocals being way to the right. Back in the '70s/'80s, I used to love playing with the balance so you would only hear half the instruments and vocals depending on whether you went all the way to the left or right. Paul has even talked about that issue, saying he was at a party once when the album was playing, and he said to someone, "Listen to the drums on this track," and they went close to one speaker, and the drums weren't there!
What was really freaky was being in a store...a big store...that had one speaker in one end and another in the other end. Sometimes, one could hear only the vocals or partials of them and no or very limited instrumentation, or vice versa....depending on where I was standing at the time. Very weird. Hearing "Revolution" like that was truly strange! I would sort of rush to the center of the store to balance it all out!!! As I recall, the Mama and Papas recordings were a lot like that too.
I think this is part of the reason, which I found out recently, that the muzak pumped into stores and offices is actually in mono, so it sounds the same no matter where you are!