So Sgt. Pepper Took You By Surprise?
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No doubt about it, the lawsuit did save them all financially!
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JoeySmith:
John was always a "shoot first, ask questions later" type. John was generally o.k. with how Paul announced the breakup. He even admired him for that. And, John told Spector how envious he was of Paul's solo records sold so well, while POB, Mother single was a commercial failure. What changed was the lawsuit. All 3 Beatles hated Paul for doing that. I think the Ram lyrics was just a lame excuse to lash out at Paul at that time. Over the years, Paul was proven right about Klein, & the lawsuit might have saved them all financially. John mellowed out starting in 1972 & all was good again. John was probably embarrassed over How Do You Sleep & scenes from the Imagine movie & starting telling people the song was really about him.
The single worst thing that Paul did that really upset John is that he started buying shares of their music publishing company Northern Songs secretly behind John's back. Up to then they had equal stakes in the company, then he found out Paul had more shares than him. He felt totally betrayed and hurt by Paul. That was the end for him and the beginning of the bitter break-up. Also, John was NOT OK about Paul announcing the break-up publicly, since he had announced it to the others 7 months earlier, and he really ripped into Paul for doing that too. Again, read the Rolling Stone interview. John was not very kind to Paul in that interview, to say the least. Those were some intense times.
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beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
John was always a "shoot first, ask questions later" type. John was generally o.k. with how Paul announced the breakup. He even admired him for that. And, John told Spector how envious he was of Paul's solo records sold so well, while POB, Mother single was a commercial failure. What changed was the lawsuit. All 3 Beatles hated Paul for doing that. I think the Ram lyrics was just a lame excuse to lash out at Paul at that time. Over the years, Paul was proven right about Klein, & the lawsuit might have saved them all financially. John mellowed out starting in 1972 & all was good again. John was probably embarrassed over How Do You Sleep & scenes from the Imagine movie & starting telling people the song was really about him.
The single worst thing that Paul did that really upset John is that he started buying shares of their music publishing company Northern Songs secretly behind John's back. Up to then they had equal stakes in the company, then he found out Paul had more shares than him. He felt totally betrayed and hurt by Paul. That was the end for him and the beginning of the bitter break-up. Also, John was NOT OK about Paul announcing the break-up publicly, since he had announced it to the others 7 months earlier, and he really ripped into Paul for doing that too. Again, read the Rolling Stone interview. John was not very kind to Paul in that interview, to say the least. Those were some intense times.
Oooh, I did know that about Paul secretly buying the shares.
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Paul got very shrewd advice from his inlaws on where to invest his money. from everything i've read, john left his money affairs to yoko. yikes!
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I'm a lifetime Paul fan, but have always love How Do You Sleep. Circa 1970-71, John and Paul were pissed off at each other quite a bit, and the song is a brutally honest expression of how he was feeling at that particular moment. It's brilliantly done. I remember one interview at the time in which John said it was a response to Ram. He actually sang the line from Back Seat of My Car -- "Oh, oh, we believe that we can't be wrong," -- and then said, "Well I believe you just might be." There's no reason for a Paul fan to be upset at the song, especially all these years later. It's a snapshot of a moment in time, done with John's usual bite, in full claws-out mode.
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Bruce M.:
I'm a lifetime Paul fan, but have always love How Do You Sleep. Circa 1970-71, John and Paul were pissed off at each other quite a bit, and the song is a brutally honest expression of how he was feeling at that particular moment. It's brilliantly done. I remember one interview at the time in which John said it was a response to Ram. He actually sang the line from Back Seat of My Car -- "Oh, oh, we believe that we can't be wrong," -- and then said, "Well I believe you just might be." There's no reason for a Paul fan to be upset at the song, especially all these years later. It's a snapshot of a moment in time, done with John's usual bite, in full claws-out mode.
Its an embarrassment, with high school level lyrics who just had a tantrum & wrote a nasty letter. At least Paul was very coy & clever with his "digs" at John. John created silly lyrics such as "the only thing you've done is Yesterday".
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JoeySmith:
Paul got very shrewd advice from his inlaws on where to invest his money. from everything i've read, john left his money affairs to yoko. yikes!
Shrewd yes, but he kept it from John at his own risk. As the whole world found out. And what "yikes"? Yoko was (and still is) an incredible businesswoman. She made them a huge fortune.
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Bruce M.:
There's no reason for a Paul fan to be upset at the song, especially all these years later. It's a snapshot of a moment in time, done with John's usual bite, in full claws-out mode.
True. Obviously they all got over it. Paul was proved right. Klein went to jail. And John is no longer here. It doesn't matter any more.
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beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
Paul got very shrewd advice from his inlaws on where to invest his money. from everything i've read, john left his money affairs to yoko. yikes!
Shrewd yes, but he kept it from John at his own risk. As the whole world found out. And what "yikes"? Yoko was (and still is) an incredible businesswoman. She made them a huge fortune.
Yes she made them a fortune. She had her banker father's savvy.
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Nancy R:
I think Klein's mother left him too when he was small. Don't know if he had a comment about Steel and Glass. (which was just a metaphor)
As far as I remember Klein was "brought up on the street". His language was very vulgar, and that's one of the reasons why Lennon trusted him. Lennon thought that Klein's "straightforward" language was a reflection of his straightforward, honest personality. John didn't trust people who spoke "clean', "sophisticated" language, as for example the Eastmans, who represented Paul's dealings.
moptops:
Yes she made them a fortune. She had her banker father's savvy.
It is possible that yoko has used her Japanese relations/contacts to help run the Lennon's dealings.
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beatlesfanrandy:
Yoko was (and still is) an incredible businesswoman. She made them a huge fortune.
She wasn't that shrewd I can tell you that. The Lennons were in dire financial straits, not unlike the Harrison's, for quite a while. They even had to donate their psychedelic Rolls limo to some museum to offset their growing tax liabilities. John could have been just as wealthy, if not more so, than Paul...instead he was always envious of the wealth that Paul was able to amass. Yoko has unfortunately been selling off John's stuff by the pound
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^^ You cannot compare the situations of The Beatles after the break up. Just to remind you, John left England and came to live in America which caused all kinds of problems with the US Government, being harassed and threatened with deportation, etc... Obviously it must have been a little hard to concentrate on making large amounts of money when you are fighting to stay alive. Sir Paul chose to stay in England and serve his country and make music there. Both choices were theirs to make and who is to say who should do what? Only them. If it is true as you claim that Lennon did not have an equal or better financial status than McCartney did at the same time, there is the answer.
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What I am saying is that there was no intrinsic reason that Paul was able to amass more wealth than John. Whether it was his (John's) choice of domicile, producing less albums, touring less, whatever, they were essentially on equal footing after their exit from the Beatles. What they did or didn't do with their money and careers was essentially their own choice. Yoko may have managed their money, but she was no shrewd money manager and this was born out by the dire financial situation they ironically found themselves in. Had John not been shot in 1980 that situation may have continued for some time.
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^^ and again, since John has been dead for 33.5 years now, we will never know the answer.
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Erik in NJ:
What I am saying is that there was no intrinsic reason that Paul was able to amass more wealth than John. Whether it was his (John's) choice of domicile, producing less albums, touring less, whatever, they were essentially on equal footing after their exit from the Beatles. What they did or didn't do with their money and careers was essentially their own choice. Yoko may have managed their money, but she was no shrewd money manager and this was born out by the dire financial situation they ironically found themselves in. Had John not been shot in 1980 that situation may have continued for some time.
Actually, no. You just contradicted yourself by listing a bunch of circumstances that could have (and likely did) dramatically affect John's financial situation that had zero to do with Yoko's management of their finances. Some people really will find any excuse to bash Yoko. It's just sad.
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Bruce M.:
Some people really will find any excuse to bash Yoko. It's just sad.
Just like some will find any excuse to do the opposite
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Erik in NJ:
Bruce M.:
Some people really will find any excuse to bash Yoko. It's just sad.
Just like some will find any excuse to do the opposite
Exactly.
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Bruce M.:
Erik in NJ:
What I am saying is that there was no intrinsic reason that Paul was able to amass more wealth than John. Whether it was his (John's) choice of domicile, producing less albums, touring less, whatever, they were essentially on equal footing after their exit from the Beatles. What they did or didn't do with their money and careers was essentially their own choice. Yoko may have managed their money, but she was no shrewd money manager and this was born out by the dire financial situation they ironically found themselves in. Had John not been shot in 1980 that situation may have continued for some time.
Actually, no. You just contradicted yourself by listing a bunch of circumstances that could have (and likely did) dramatically affect John's financial situation that had zero to do with Yoko's management of their finances. Some people really will find any excuse to bash Yoko. It's just sad.
I have wondered for a few years now, what exactly it is that women and men find so scary about Yoko? I came to the conclusion that some men are intimidated by her no nonsense attitude and can't handle it. And some women are jealous they cannot be in control of their lives as Yoko was and still is to this day. A long time ago I came to believe if Yoko had been a blonde, blue-eyed woman she would not have been so disrespected then and now. Some people are afraid of what they can't understand, or what they do not physically resemble. I also noticed that when it is getting old on a thread bashing John, people will bash his widow. That is very sad indeed. jmo.
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At the time John died in 1980 he was estimated to be worth $150-200 million dollars. His estate is currently worth $800 million dollars. Nothing was ever donated because they needed the money. His estate still makes more than $20 million dollars a year, including his Beatles and Apple earnings. PLAYBOY: "On the subject of your own wealth, the New York Post recently said you admitted to being worth over $150,000,000 and..." LENNON: "We never admitted anything." PLAYBOY: "The Post said you had." LENNON: "What the Post says... OK, so we are rich; so what?"... PLAYBOY: "But what about the charge that John Lennon is under Yoko's spell, under her control?" LENNON: "Well, that's rubbish, you know. Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who controls me is me, and that's just barely possible." PLAYBOY: "Still, many people believe it." LENNON: "Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because... fuck you, brother and sister... you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and the baby!"
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hey_kittay:
Bruce M.:
Erik in NJ:
What I am saying is that there was no intrinsic reason that Paul was able to amass more wealth than John. Whether it was his (John's) choice of domicile, producing less albums, touring less, whatever, they were essentially on equal footing after their exit from the Beatles. What they did or didn't do with their money and careers was essentially their own choice. Yoko may have managed their money, but she was no shrewd money manager and this was born out by the dire financial situation they ironically found themselves in. Had John not been shot in 1980 that situation may have continued for some time.
Actually, no. You just contradicted yourself by listing a bunch of circumstances that could have (and likely did) dramatically affect John's financial situation that had zero to do with Yoko's management of their finances. Some people really will find any excuse to bash Yoko. It's just sad.
I have wondered for a few years now, what exactly it is that women and men find so scary about Yoko? I came to the conclusion that some men are intimidated by her no nonsense attitude and can't handle it. And some women are jealous they cannot be in control of their lives as Yoko was and still is to this day. A long time ago I came to believe if Yoko had been a blonde, blue-eyed woman she would not have been so disrespected then and now. Some people are afraid of what they can't understand, or what they do not physically resemble. I also noticed that when it is getting old on a thread bashing John, people will bash his widow. That is very sad indeed. jmo.
What gave you the idea that anybody thought Yoko was scary? We may think she's weird and other things we won't mention, but scary? No. Jealous? Well, for me, only that she was married to John Lennon! We have just as much right to dislike her as you have to like her. And I guess nobody got the memo about "blonde, blue-eyed" Linda Eastman, because she sure got a lot of disrespect back in the day.