Paul's new album and promotion
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LadyLeslie:
This may have been discussed in another thread, but was wondering about people getting a message that they'd receive a copy of the new album with their purchase of a ticket to one of his concerts. Was that just for people who purchased through Ticketmaster and/or American Express? The ticket I purchased was from the venue itself, and not a re-sale ticket, and I didn't get any message about receiving a free copy of the new album. Is it assumed that everyone who purchased a ticket that wasn't a re-sale is entitled to get a copy of the new album? Just checking. It's possible since tickets through my venue were through "Select-A-Seat" and not Ticketmaster, that could be the reason why some ticket purchasers didn't receive that message.
Well, I bought my tix from Ticketmaster and used American Express, and I never received the free album message, either...
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Thisbe211:
LadyLeslie:
This may have been discussed in another thread, but was wondering about people getting a message that they'd receive a copy of the new album with their purchase of a ticket to one of his concerts. Was that just for people who purchased through Ticketmaster and/or American Express? The ticket I purchased was from the venue itself, and not a re-sale ticket, and I didn't get any message about receiving a free copy of the new album. Is it assumed that everyone who purchased a ticket that wasn't a re-sale is entitled to get a copy of the new album? Just checking. It's possible since tickets through my venue were through "Select-A-Seat" and not Ticketmaster, that could be the reason why some ticket purchasers didn't receive that message.
Well, I bought my tix from Ticketmaster and used American Express, and I never received the free album message, either...
Thanks Thisbe211! Hmmm, interesting... Maybe someone who received the message, that they would be receiving a copy of the CD, can help clarify..... perhaps it's only for pre-sale purchasers? (I didn't get my ticket in the pre-sale.)
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LadyLeslie:
Thisbe211:
LadyLeslie:
This may have been discussed in another thread, but was wondering about people getting a message that they'd receive a copy of the new album with their purchase of a ticket to one of his concerts. Was that just for people who purchased through Ticketmaster and/or American Express? The ticket I purchased was from the venue itself, and not a re-sale ticket, and I didn't get any message about receiving a free copy of the new album. Is it assumed that everyone who purchased a ticket that wasn't a re-sale is entitled to get a copy of the new album? Just checking. It's possible since tickets through my venue were through "Select-A-Seat" and not Ticketmaster, that could be the reason why some ticket purchasers didn't receive that message.
Well, I bought my tix from Ticketmaster and used American Express, and I never received the free album message, either...
Thanks Thisbe211! Hmmm, interesting... Maybe someone who received the message, that they would be receiving a copy of the CD, can help clarify..... perhaps it's only for pre-sale purchasers? (I didn't get my ticket in the pre-sale.)
Nope, that can't be it, because I bought mine in presale. And then a few days later, I bought some more in the regular sale!
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Thisbe211:
LadyLeslie:
Thisbe211:
LadyLeslie:
This may have been discussed in another thread, but was wondering about people getting a message that they'd receive a copy of the new album with their purchase of a ticket to one of his concerts. Was that just for people who purchased through Ticketmaster and/or American Express? The ticket I purchased was from the venue itself, and not a re-sale ticket, and I didn't get any message about receiving a free copy of the new album. Is it assumed that everyone who purchased a ticket that wasn't a re-sale is entitled to get a copy of the new album? Just checking. It's possible since tickets through my venue were through "Select-A-Seat" and not Ticketmaster, that could be the reason why some ticket purchasers didn't receive that message.
Well, I bought my tix from Ticketmaster and used American Express, and I never received the free album message, either...
Thanks Thisbe211! Hmmm, interesting... Maybe someone who received the message, that they would be receiving a copy of the CD, can help clarify..... perhaps it's only for pre-sale purchasers? (I didn't get my ticket in the pre-sale.)
Nope, that can't be it, because I bought mine in presale. And then a few days later, I bought some more in the regular sale!
There was a thread about this somewhere but I don't know if a decision as to why was ever reached. I didn't get one either.
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oobu24:
Thisbe211:
LadyLeslie:
Thisbe211:
LadyLeslie:
This may have been discussed in another thread, but was wondering about people getting a message that they'd receive a copy of the new album with their purchase of a ticket to one of his concerts. Was that just for people who purchased through Ticketmaster and/or American Express? The ticket I purchased was from the venue itself, and not a re-sale ticket, and I didn't get any message about receiving a free copy of the new album. Is it assumed that everyone who purchased a ticket that wasn't a re-sale is entitled to get a copy of the new album? Just checking. It's possible since tickets through my venue were through "Select-A-Seat" and not Ticketmaster, that could be the reason why some ticket purchasers didn't receive that message.
Well, I bought my tix from Ticketmaster and used American Express, and I never received the free album message, either...
Thanks Thisbe211! Hmmm, interesting... Maybe someone who received the message, that they would be receiving a copy of the CD, can help clarify..... perhaps it's only for pre-sale purchasers? (I didn't get my ticket in the pre-sale.)
Nope, that can't be it, because I bought mine in presale. And then a few days later, I bought some more in the regular sale!
There was a thread about this somewhere but I don't know if a decision as to why was ever reached. I didn't get one either.
Yeah, I remember the original discussion, and I don't think we ever got a straight answer, either. Oh, well...
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Thanks Thisbe211 and oobu..... I remember hearing this radio broadcast (weekly Beatles program) that discussed this issue about receiving a CD with purchase of a ticket... I went back and listened to it again... (go to 14:15 mark on link below) In a nutshell, the radio commentator received the message they'd be getting the new album with purchase of a concert ticket via email from ticketmaster, and were suspicious about clicking on the link in the email, since there was nothing on
No big deal, just was wondering, in case it's a special offer open to each ticket purchaser -
Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
Martin Luther:
I'm a Paul fanatic, but I cringe every time he tries politics. He's best being the elder statesmen, above the fray, rockin and playing the ballads.
____________________________________________________________ I agree 100%. Political/Protest songs has never been one of Paul's strengths. The only one I liked was "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" and that was mainly because it was a damn good rocking number. As many of us will agree, Paul is the master of melody. But Paul can also write some very good lyrics. Many of Paul's greatest lyrical songs however are based on "universal themes" like love, marriage, parenting, death, perseverance, prejudice against being different, racial bigotry etc. etc. He has written many great songs (Beatles, Wings, Solo) that cover these themes in an intelligent and simple but deep manner. In fairness, no one has heard this song yet. But if it is one of these "all too simplistic with little to zero solutions to complicated subjects or filled with trite and angry lyrics, Paul might have just eliminated 50% of the potential US buyers of his new album. Currently, people are so fed up with multi, multi millionaire celebrities, actors, musicians trying to tell average working Americans how to think etc etc. Unfortunately, Paul will just be thrown into the mix of yet another very, very rich celebrity trying to tell average people how to live, and what they should believe. Worse yet and as Yankeefan points out, this will be "the song" that will get all the attention. A terrible idea in my opinion. If it is a bad song in general, the huge majority of people won't be interested in the rest of the album. Again, if this song doesn't have intelligent lyrics and is filled with trite, overdone, unoriginal cliches, the whole "getting free publicity" will backfire. One thing I have loved about this Site is that it is generally anti-political. If this song (and its repercussions) is going to turn Maccaboard into a political social network, than I will gladly leave.
BJ, I'm sure the Mods will require a separate thread for discussing this new song and the political aspects of it, so just avoid that thread. No need to leave the entire forum!
Yes & also there is a political thread that should be used.
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As someone who bought tickets presale and from ticketmaster, I never got such an email either
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Bruce M.:
The notion that an anti-Trump song is anti-America is ridiculous. As Mark Twain said. "The only true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the country all the time, loyalty to the government when it deserves it." I hope Paul goes for the throat on this one.
Well said. In fact, some of us consider ourselves Patriots for standing up for what this country was founded on as well as for the rights of various oppressed, including ourselves. My only problem is I hope Paul's song is good. Freedom really wasn't but most of those songs at that time are hokey and you're not allowed to criticize them. (I agree with the sentiment...I just think there's some bad songs out there)
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Bruce M.:
5th-beatle:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/paul-mccartney-explains-hes-written-13402339.amp
The article says it's not known whether Paul's song is pro- or anti-Trump. I think we know.
I wonder if it's like when Bowie wrote songs such as Andy Warhole and Song for Bob Dylon where one couldn't tell of the lyrics were an insult or a compliment .
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soymilk:
Wah-Wah...Blah-Blah...
Soymilk? Should change your user name to Sourmilk. Anyway, I'd like to thank you for explaining to this retired American History teacher of 32 years how our election system works. This is America and you have a right to deny reality if you wish. Trump won. As a Democrat, I'm not happy seeing him win. But, I wasn't happy to have Hillary Clinton as our candidate either. I just wonder...where are Paul's protest songs about Putin, Jong-un, etc.?
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Kathryn O:
Bruce M.:
The notion that an anti-Trump song is anti-America is ridiculous. As Mark Twain said. "The only true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the country all the time, loyalty to the government when it deserves it." I hope Paul goes for the throat on this one.
Well said. In fact, some of us consider ourselves Patriots for standing up for what this country was founded on as well as for the rights of various oppressed, including ourselves. My only problem is I hope Paul's song is good. Freedom really wasn't but most of those songs at that time are hokey and you're not allowed to criticize them. (I agree with the sentiment...I just think there's some bad songs out there)
__________________________________________________________ Kathryn, Your last point regarding the "song itself" will be so crucial. Right now the Internet is exploding about Paul's new song that is supposedly about President Trump. As a huge Macca fan, my biggest fear is the whole "expectation" thing Paul's initial comments are producing. I wonder if this is yet another idea that his "Record Marketing Advisors" are wanting him to push (a la career spanning, relevance theme). Well it is certainly successful at this point judging by the Internet. The real danger is now people are expecting a great song. If if is just a mediocre-to-bad song (similar to something like Big Boys Bickering or even Freedom) than there will obviously be a huge letdown from both sides of the isle. If it is something with just a bunch of cliched, overdone, vapid lyrics etc. the song could really hurt the album as a whole especially if it is put on the Internet in advance of the album's release date. Let's just hope that Paul is getting the right advice and the song actually has intelligent, deeper meaning lyrics. I'm an "old school" fan (probably because I am old). I always liked to be surprised instead of hearing new songs on the Internet before the album is actually released. I remember hearing "Little Willow" for the first time as I played Flaming Pie. I loved it! But of course "Willow" had intelligent lyrics with a great melody. I only hope that the new song is even close to being as good.
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I seriously doubt if this song was the result of "Record Marketing Advisors." I bet it was all Paul's idea.
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Nancy R:
I seriously doubt if this song was the result of "Record Marketing Advisors." I bet it was all Paul's idea.
_______________________________________________________ Yes I was being a little sarcastic although Capitol is probably loving the Internet Buzz the album is getting and maybe their key marketing people made suggestions to Paul about how to bring the song's subject matter out to the media. Paul was quite coy about it. Like you, I have no doubt the song's origin was all Paul's idea. Paul always has ideas for songs and, of course, Donald Trump has been the biggest current event's story over the last couple of years. I hope, however, that someone "close" to Paul and the subsequent album (a Nigel Godrich or even John Lennon type) will have the honesty and courage to tell him if the lyrics are bad or even below average. Paul certainly has a history of releasing some songs with mediocre lyrics at best. This song will get more scrutinized that perhaps any song Paul has ever written. I also hope that this isn't just one of Paul's quick ditties that he wrote and he is just throwing it onto the album for publicity sake. If the original lyrics are trite as I said, then hopefully it gets reworked until it does convey an intelligent/clever message. I don't know anything about Paul's new producer, but I hope he is like Mr. Godrich from this point of view. Otherwise, it won't help his overall reputation as a Solo artist or the longer term sales of the album. We'll just have to wait and see.
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jimmix:
Remember "BIG BOYS BICKERING?" About George W. Bush. Cursed in the song.
BBB was issued about 20 years before George W. Bush became president... So I don't think it was about him; Maybe about his father???
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The Eggman67:
jimmix:
[..] Remember "BIG BOYS BICKERING?" About George W. Bush. Cursed in the song.
BBB was issued about 20 years before George W. Bush became president... So I don't think it was about him; Maybe about his father???
8 years, time goes fast (or slow!) ;). Also, that song wasn't about any specific political leader. Also, Bill Clinton was elected (not yet in office) by the time the song got released...
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ogoble:
Soymilk? Should change your user name to Sourmilk.
If your only response to facts is name calling, maybe you should retire to the "swamps of Alabama" you note in your profile. We know from your post history you are not a Democrat.
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Kathryn O:
Bruce M.:
The notion that an anti-Trump song is anti-America is ridiculous. As Mark Twain said. "The only true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the country all the time, loyalty to the government when it deserves it." I hope Paul goes for the throat on this one.
Well said. In fact, some of us consider ourselves Patriots for standing up for what this country was founded on as well as for the rights of various oppressed, including ourselves. My only problem is I hope Paul's song is good. Freedom really wasn't but most of those songs at that time are hokey and you're not allowed to criticize them. (I agree with the sentiment...I just think there's some bad songs out there)
That's a legitimate concern. There's no doubt that Paul's political songs have been, shall we say, uneven.
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
I seriously doubt if this song was the result of "Record Marketing Advisors." I bet it was all Paul's idea.
_______________________________________________________ Yes I was being a little sarcastic although Capitol is probably loving the Internet Buzz the album is getting and maybe their key marketing people made suggestions to Paul about how to bring the song's subject matter out to the media. Paul was quite coy about it. Like you, I have no doubt the song's origin was all Paul's idea. Paul always has ideas for songs and, of course, Donald Trump has been the biggest current event's story over the last couple of years. I hope, however, that someone "close" to Paul and the subsequent album (a Nigel Godrich or even John Lennon type) will have the honesty and courage to tell him if the lyrics are bad or even below average. Paul certainly has a history of releasing some songs with mediocre lyrics at best. This song will get more scrutinized that perhaps any song Paul has ever written. I also hope that this isn't just one of Paul's quick ditties that he wrote and he is just throwing it onto the album for publicity sake. If the original lyrics are trite as I said, then hopefully it gets reworked until it does convey an intelligent/clever message. I don't know anything about Paul's new producer, but I hope he is like Mr. Godrich from this point of view. Otherwise, it won't help his overall reputation as a Solo artist or the longer term sales of the album. We'll just have to wait and see.
I had to laugh when they said it was not known if the song was for or against Trump, I was like really people - lol. Had you not noticed the "love affair" between McCartney and the Obama's the previous eight years. You are right on the money, the lyrics to this song need to be first rate and he needs somebody like Godrich to tell him the truth. (that is why CHAOS was so good from start to finish). Like I mentioned in previous post, it is my belief that this song will grab all the attention for the new album and that is not a good thing IMO. Finally, I don't think a song about Trump is really going to affect his sales that much or at all. It will get attention for a couple of days after album is released and than disappear. I would bet that if he has the song ready to go in September it is something he would play live in NY area because of NY being pretty liberal.
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Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
Martin Luther:
I'm a Paul fanatic, but I cringe every time he tries politics. He's best being the elder statesmen, above the fray, rockin and playing the ballads.
____________________________________________________________ I agree 100%. Political/Protest songs has never been one of Paul's strengths. The only one I liked was "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" and that was mainly because it was a damn good rocking number. As many of us will agree, Paul is the master of melody. But Paul can also write some very good lyrics. Many of Paul's greatest lyrical songs however are based on "universal themes" like love, marriage, parenting, death, perseverance, prejudice against being different, racial bigotry etc. etc. He has written many great songs (Beatles, Wings, Solo) that cover these themes in an intelligent and simple but deep manner. In fairness, no one has heard this song yet. But if it is one of these "all too simplistic with little to zero solutions to complicated subjects or filled with trite and angry lyrics, Paul might have just eliminated 50% of the potential US buyers of his new album. Currently, people are so fed up with multi, multi millionaire celebrities, actors, musicians trying to tell average working Americans how to think etc etc. Unfortunately, Paul will just be thrown into the mix of yet another very, very rich celebrity trying to tell average people how to live, and what they should believe. Worse yet and as Yankeefan points out, this will be "the song" that will get all the attention. A terrible idea in my opinion. If it is a bad song in general, the huge majority of people won't be interested in the rest of the album. Again, if this song doesn't have intelligent lyrics and is filled with trite, overdone, unoriginal cliches, the whole "getting free publicity" will backfire. One thing I have loved about this Site is that it is generally anti-political. If this song (and its repercussions) is going to turn Maccaboard into a political social network, than I will gladly leave.
BJ, I'm sure the Mods will require a separate thread for discussing this new song and the political aspects of it, so just avoid that thread. No need to leave the entire forum!
That is one thread I will definitely stay away from - lol !!