Paul's new album and promotion
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There is a political thread in the Talk more Talk section.
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Besides, really looking forward to the album. Hope he debuts a new song at a concert.
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Macca84:
yankeefan7:
Clinton won the popular vote by 2.9 million, she won California by 4.6 million. In other words, she was more popular in California - lol No, it was a story because Sanders filed class action lawsuit against the DNC saying they worked in conjunction with Hillary Clinton campaign against him in the primaries.
I'm trying to figure out why you all of a sudden demoted the USA to 49 states. It makes zero sense.That's like saying the Falcons really won the Super Bowl because you choose to ignore the 4th quarter. Popular vote answers the question: which candidate was more popular with the United States voters? The answer was clearly Clinton. As for the lawsuit, it was filed in Oct (by supporters not Sanders) and barely got any news coverage. What did get tons of coverage was the Wikileaks release of emails that was timed perfectly with the actual convention.
Ok, like another poster said back to the topic. It is not a political forum, I am done.
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Hold the phone. Paul McCartney is expressing his feelings in song? Does he think he's a songwriter or something?
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Just read that the release date for Ringo's new album is actually 9/15. Somehow I was thinking it has already been released or any day now. If this is true, a good educated guess for Paul's release date for his album might be in early November or around Thanksgiving Day to take advantage of the Christmas and Holiday Season. That of course wouldn't preclude Paul to unveil a song or two from the new album when he resumes his tour on 9/11 in Newark (the NYC market). One potential good thing is that it might force Paul/Band to do some actual rehearsing in August. The timing could also be right for Paul to consider a few more changes to the Setlist. After all, isn't it right that Paul played some NYC dates in 2016 at the beginning of the One-on-Tour. Just hoping and maybe being a little too optimistic. Never hurts to wish.
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Where can we get a hard copy of the new album when it's released? Not going to any concerts.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
Where can we get a hard copy of the new album when it's released? Not going to any concerts.
One would imagine all the usual places. No doubt you'll be able to order online from Paul's site or any number of other places. Where I come from we even have a few ancient but loved relics called record stores.
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Bruce M.:
SusyLuvsPaul:
Where can we get a hard copy of the new album when it's released? Not going to any concerts.
One would imagine all the usual places. No doubt you'll be able to order online from Paul's site or any number of other places. Where I come from we even have a few ancient but loved relics called record stores.
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B J Conlee:
Just read that the release date for Ringo's new album is actually 9/15. Somehow I was thinking it has already been released or any day now. If this is true, a good educated guess for Paul's release date for his album might be in early November or around Thanksgiving Day to take advantage of the Christmas and Holiday Season. That of course wouldn't preclude Paul to unveil a song or two from the new album when he resumes his tour on 9/11 in Newark (the NYC market). One potential good thing is that it might force Paul/Band to do some actual rehearsing in August. The timing could also be right for Paul to consider a few more changes to the Setlist. After all, isn't it right that Paul played some NYC dates in 2016 at the beginning of the One-on-Tour. Just hoping and maybe being a little too optimistic. Never hurts to wish.
Just checked I-Tunes and Ringo's CD comes out 9/15 but you can buy the two singles now and they are pretty good. You are probably right about the early November release for McCartney's album but it might have been better if this new album was released in time for the NY area shows. I hope he can do a couple of news songs for those NY shows because honestly I think this will be the only changes in the current set list. Sadly, I view McCartney concerts like a long running Broadway hit. Everything is very scripted with the same old stories (Hendrix, George's ukulele, Blackbird - Civil rights, Paul posing to drink it all in etc). I may be wrong but don't think there is much of a buzz about this tour. Set list is pretty stale unless you have never seen him and as you have stated some of the choices makes you shake your head. Finally, I don't think McCartney really wants to rehearse anymore. He can do this show with his band in his sleep and still make wonderful amounts of money. I hope he can prove you and I wrong and he shakes it up a bit for the NY audience.
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Just read that the release date for Ringo's new album is actually 9/15. Somehow I was thinking it has already been released or any day now. If this is true, a good educated guess for Paul's release date for his album might be in early November or around Thanksgiving Day to take advantage of the Christmas and Holiday Season. That of course wouldn't preclude Paul to unveil a song or two from the new album when he resumes his tour on 9/11 in Newark (the NYC market). One potential good thing is that it might force Paul/Band to do some actual rehearsing in August. The timing could also be right for Paul to consider a few more changes to the Setlist. After all, isn't it right that Paul played some NYC dates in 2016 at the beginning of the One-on-Tour. Just hoping and maybe being a little too optimistic. Never hurts to wish.
Just checked I-Tunes and Ringo's CD comes out 9/15 but you can buy the two singles now and they are pretty good. You are probably right about the early November release for McCartney's album but it might have been better if this new album was released in time for the NY area shows. I hope he can do a couple of news songs for those NY shows because honestly I think this will be the only changes in the current set list. Sadly, I view McCartney concerts like a long running Broadway hit. Everything is very scripted with the same old stories (Hendrix, George's ukulele, Blackbird - Civil rights, Paul posing to drink it all in etc). I may be wrong but don't think there is much of a buzz about this tour. Set list is pretty stale unless you have never seen him and as you have stated some of the choices makes you shake your head. Finally, I don't think McCartney really wants to rehearse anymore. He can do this show with his band in his sleep and still make wonderful amounts of money. I hope he can prove you and I wrong and he shakes it up a bit for the NY audience.
_____________________________________________________ Yankeefan, Sadly I think you are most probably right regarding the NY Area shows. If anything at all, the only changes that might possibly happen would be one or two songs from the new album. Playing in the NY market (where he's already played One-on-One songs) this tour really needs some kind of extra "buzz" in NY and playing the brand new, never heard songs would certainly do the trick. Somebody mention the possibility that he would play "Freedom" at the 9/11 Show in Newark. I doubt that we will see the song since there was some controversy with the song's meaning being pro war. Don't think Paul wants to bring that up again. I do understand that at 75 Paul probably forgets many of the songs he's written in his long career. This might be especially true for "many" of the Solo songs where he's never subsequently played them since the individual album's sessions. And for the most part, Paul wants to be an "integral musical part" of the songs he plays on stage which is why he stays with so many of the same songs. This is why I never expect Paul to make wholesale changes to his setlists. Even a non-signature songs like "Let Me Roll It" continues to get played on every tour/show because Paul enjoys playing some lead guitar which carries over to the Hendrix part. Even at his age, it is easy for him to remember with constant repetition. Being in my late 60's, I do get that reasoning. Another example is his tribute song for George (Something) where Paul enjoys playing the ukulele part where he is front and center. Again, I understand it. But if he did want to make it "fresh" for the hard core fans, he could realistically do it by just adding 3-4 songs each year (even if it is part of the same tour name). He could pick really good songs (he has so many!) that he could handle with his Band's help. I think he could still rather easily play the bass on "My Brave Face" and something like "Put It There" would be very easy with his Band. That is the perplexing part where a big time fan like me has been so disappointed. Just change up things a little bit each year. I know I have said this a million times so I do apologize. As someone else recently said, we can still hope that Paul will read some of these threads. The recent "Adding 3 songs" in the Rock Show Section on this Site had some great suggestions. For the US audience, this final leg is the last chance and they still have time in August for a little rehearsing. We will just have to wait and see.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Just read that the release date for Ringo's new album is actually 9/15. Somehow I was thinking it has already been released or any day now. If this is true, a good educated guess for Paul's release date for his album might be in early November or around Thanksgiving Day to take advantage of the Christmas and Holiday Season. That of course wouldn't preclude Paul to unveil a song or two from the new album when he resumes his tour on 9/11 in Newark (the NYC market). One potential good thing is that it might force Paul/Band to do some actual rehearsing in August. The timing could also be right for Paul to consider a few more changes to the Setlist. After all, isn't it right that Paul played some NYC dates in 2016 at the beginning of the One-on-Tour. Just hoping and maybe being a little too optimistic. Never hurts to wish.
Just checked I-Tunes and Ringo's CD comes out 9/15 but you can buy the two singles now and they are pretty good. You are probably right about the early November release for McCartney's album but it might have been better if this new album was released in time for the NY area shows. I hope he can do a couple of news songs for those NY shows because honestly I think this will be the only changes in the current set list. Sadly, I view McCartney concerts like a long running Broadway hit. Everything is very scripted with the same old stories (Hendrix, George's ukulele, Blackbird - Civil rights, Paul posing to drink it all in etc). I may be wrong but don't think there is much of a buzz about this tour. Set list is pretty stale unless you have never seen him and as you have stated some of the choices makes you shake your head. Finally, I don't think McCartney really wants to rehearse anymore. He can do this show with his band in his sleep and still make wonderful amounts of money. I hope he can prove you and I wrong and he shakes it up a bit for the NY audience.
_____________________________________________________ Yankeefan, Sadly I think you are most probably right regarding the NY Area shows. If anything at all, the only changes that might possibly happen would be one or two songs from the new album. Playing in the NY market (where he's already played One-on-One songs) this tour really needs some kind of extra buzz in NY and playing the brand new, never heard songs would certainly do the trick. Somebody mention the possibility that he would play "Freedom" at the 9/11 Show in Newark. I doubt that we would see the song since there was some controversy with the song's meaning being pro war. Don't think Paul wants to bring that up again. I do understand that at 75 Paul probably forgets many of the songs he's written over the many years. This might be especially true for "many" of the Solo songs where he's never subsequently played them except during the individual album's sessions. And for the most part, Paul wants to be an "integral musical part" of the songs he plays on stage which is why he stays with so many of the same songs. This is why I never expect Paul to make wholesale changes to his setlist. Even the non-signature songs like "Let Me Roll It" continues to get played on every tour/show because Paul enjoys playing some lead guitar which carries over to the Hendrix part. Even at his age, it is easy for him to remember with constant repetition. Being in my late 60's, I do get that. Another example is his tribute song for George (Something) where Paul enjoys playing the ukulele part where he is front and center. Again, I understand it. But if he did want to make it "fresh" for the hard core fans, he could realistically do it by just adding 3-4 songs each year (even if it is part of the same tour name). He could pick really good songs (he has so many!) that he could handle with his Band's help. I think he could still rather easily play the bass on "My Brave Face" and something like "Put It There" would be very easy with his Band. That is the perplexing part where a big time fan like me has been so disappointed. Just change up things a little bit each year. I know I have said this a million times so I do apologize. As someone else recently said, we can still hope that Paul will read some of these threads. The "Adding 3 songs" in the Rock Show Section on this Site had some great suggestions. For the US audience, this final leg is the last chance and they still have time in August for a little rehearsing. We will just have to wait and see.
Yep, I agree if he changed a little bit (3-4) songs each tour it would have been great. My biggest frustration is that when he has made changes he has added "Temporary Secretary", "Benefit For Mr. Kite" and "45 seconds" instead of some really good/great solo songs. The other thing is songs that have been suggested like "Little Willow" and "Early Days" for example would not have been tough for him to rehearse once or twice and then add in set list. Why not try it in a sound check and see how it goes? It boggles my mind he will do "Alligator" in sound check but has never put it in the set list.
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Nancy R:
Bruce M.:
SusyLuvsPaul:
Where can we get a hard copy of the new album when it's released? Not going to any concerts.
One would imagine all the usual places. No doubt you'll be able to order online from Paul's site or any number of other places. Where I come from we even have a few ancient but loved relics called record stores.
You didn't have to laugh at me. I'm in a very small town. I'm going to join eBay and Amazon again, but I should not procure it from there, I suppose. But it's just one cd for one person so I guess it would be okay.
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Ringo's release date doesn't matter at all to Paul's. Ringo 2012 and KOTB were released a week apart. Ringo's albums are, in reality, no competition to anybody, much less Paul. In the past 20 years, Ringo's highest charting album was Vertical Man at #61 (US album charts). His last album barely entered the chart (#99). Not even Beatles fans buy Ringo's albums. In contrast, Paul's last three albums hit the top 5. The fourth oldest, Chaos and Creation, hit #6. Of Paul's last six original albums (so excluding Run Devil Run and KOTB) the only one that didn't make the top ten was Driving Rain (#26), which was Paul's worst charting album since Press to Play.
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I must say I'm distressed to see people assuming that at age 75 Paul can't remember his own songs or how to play them. LOTS of people his age have perfectly fine memories. And we really have no way of knowing how good or bad Paul's memory is, but please lets drop the ageist stereotypes.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
Nancy R:
Bruce M.:
SusyLuvsPaul:
Where can we get a hard copy of the new album when it's released? Not going to any concerts.
One would imagine all the usual places. No doubt you'll be able to order online from Paul's site or any number of other places. Where I come from we even have a few ancient but loved relics called record stores.
You didn't have to laugh at me. I'm in a very small town. I'm going to join eBay and Amazon again, but I should not procure it from there, I suppose. But it's just one cd for one person so I guess it would be okay.
I was laughing at Bruce's comment about record stores! And why can't you get Ringo's CD on Amazon? And I don't understand what you mean by your last sentence. *confused*
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Bruce M.:
I must say I'm distressed to see people assuming that at age 75 Paul can't remember his own songs or how to play them. LOTS of people his age have perfectly fine memories. And we really have no way of knowing how good or bad Paul's memory is, but please lets drop the ageist stereotypes.
How many songs has McCartney recorded and written? I don't think it is ageist to say he probably does not remember all of them and how to play them. Like BJ stated, he probably has not played a bunch of songs since the time he recorded it for the particular album. This would be normal for anybody and not just somebody who is 75.
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Bruce M.:
I must say I'm distressed to see people assuming that at age 75 Paul can't remember his own songs or how to play them. LOTS of people his age have perfectly fine memories. And we really have no way of knowing how good or bad Paul's memory is, but please lets drop the ageist stereotypes.
________________________________________________________ Bruce, I can only speak for my post but I wasn't attacking older people or saying that many seniors don't have fine memories. For God sake, I'm one of them. I'll be 70 in about 15 months (man that is depressing!). But I think it is a pretty safe bet that the mental prowess of the overwhelming majority of seniors (including me) starts to decline when many of us hit around 60. I know it was definitely true for me. One of the reasons I retired at 64 was that I found my job more and more difficult because I had to constantly learn new "technical" type products to sell. I could do it much easier when I was younger. Even now that I'm retired and well into my 60's, I find myself often forgetting certain words, names of restaurants etc. when I'm speaking. I know the word but can't remember it specifically. This is not an ageist stereotype. It is a fact. I'm an extrovert and talk with people around my age all the time (including my senior cousins) and they 100% agree.. Sometimes I will bring up a person or a certain subject and forget why I brought them up in midstream. That's not uncommon for people my age. I'm just being realistic with my current capabilities. Mentally, I'm not nearly as sharp nor is my memory nearly as good as it was when I was in my 40's for example. This is not a stereotype but the truth for most seniors. It is not that there is anything "mentally" wrong with healthy seniors but it is just nature's natural course going on with us. And, of course, there are always exceptions to any rule. Not to go political, but it is a shame that many of our Washington congresspeople/senators (both sides of the aisle) don't realize that they should be already retired and hand these crucial jobs over to younger people whose minds are at their peak. Obviously they would have to be qualified no matter how old they are. As far as Paul goes, my point was that I don't expect Macca to make wholesale changes to his setlist. As an example and especially now at 75, I wouldn't expect half the songs being "Solo" ones that he hasn't sung since he wrote and laid down the tracks upon the album's release. I didn't say that it would be impossible for Paul to remember them or impossible for him to play them, but it would "surely" be much harder. Because his memory isn't as good, it would take significant more time and I certainly wouldn't expect him to do it. It would be much more like "work" and I know I wouldn't want to do it. Furthermore, he is a very busy man with many things going on all the time including writing new songs and guest appearances on other artists' albums etc. My point (and a few others) is to just take 3-4 songs that were "bigger" Solo songs (not obscure ones) and add them each year he tours. It would be relatively easy for him, for example, to play "My Brave Face" and "Put It There" since he played them on a full tour in 1990. I wasn't putting Paul down or suggesting in any way that he has mental problems. But because he is 75, Paul is like most seniors. It's just nature's natural course that our memories aren't as good as they used to be and there is nothing wrong with that. As a big time fan, I'm just being realistic as to what he can still do (even vocally) to make his setlist better for the hard core fans. I'm sure his mental capabilities for his age are fine and normal. And as long as he still plays the "signature" songs, the 1st timers will continue to be thrilled.
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B J Conlee:
Bruce M.:
I must say I'm distressed to see people assuming that at age 75 Paul can't remember his own songs or how to play them. LOTS of people his age have perfectly fine memories. And we really have no way of knowing how good or bad Paul's memory is, but please lets drop the ageist stereotypes.
________________________________________________________ Bruce, I can only speak for my post but I wasn't attacking older people or saying that many seniors don't have fine memories. For God sake, I'm one of them. I'll be 70 in about 15 months (man that is depressing!). But I think it is a pretty safe bet that the mental prowess of the overwhelming majority of seniors (including me) starts to decline probably when one hits about 60. I know it was definitely true for me. One of the reasons I retired at 64 was that I found my job more and more difficult because I had to constantly learn new "technical" type products to sell. I could do it much easier when I was younger. Even now that I'm retired and well into my 60's, I find myself often forgetting certain words when I'm speaking. I know the word but can't remember it specifically. This is not an ageist stereotype. It is a fact. I'm an extrovert and talk with people around my age all the time (including all my senior cousins) and they 100% agree.. Sometimes I will bring up a person or a certain subject and forget why I brought them up in midstream. That's not uncommon for people my age. I'm just being realistic with my current capabilities. Mentally, I'm not nearly as sharp nor is my memory nearly as good as it was when I was in my 40's for example. This is not a stereotype but the truth for most seniors. Not to go political, but it is a shame that many of our congresspeople/senators (both sides of the aisle) don't realize that they should be already retired and hand these crucial jobs over to younger people whose minds are in their peak. Obviously they would have to be qualified no matter how old they are. As far as Paul goes, my point was that I don't expect Macca to make wholesale changes to his setlist. As an example and especially now at 75, I wouldn't expect half of the songs being "Solo" ones that he hasn't sung since he wrote and laid down the tracks upon the album's release. I didn't say that it would be impossible for Paul to remember them or impossible for him to play them, but it surely would be much harder. Because his memory isn't as good, it would take significant more time and I certainly wouldn't expect him to do it. It would be much more like work and I know I wouldn't want to do it. Furthermore, he is a very busy man with things going on all the time including writing new songs and guest appearances on other artists' albums etc. My point (and a few others) is to just take 3-4 songs that were "bigger" Solo songs (not obscure ones) and add them each year he tours. It would be relatively easy for him, for example, to play "My Brave Face" and "Put It There" since he played them on a full tour in 1990. I wasn't putting Paul down or saying in any way that he has mental problems. But because he is 75 this is just nature's natural course and there is nothing wrong with that. As a big time fan, I'm just being realistic as to what he can still do (even vocally) to make his setlist better for the hard core fans. I'm sure his mental capabilities for his age are fine and normal. As long as he still plays the "signature" songs, the 1st timers would also be thrilled.
Very good post BJ. One of the reasons I had hoped he would not tour much longer is that I did not want to see him get to the point where his memory affected his live performance. Sooner or later "Father Time" catches up to everyone - lol. He has written so many songs it is not realistic to expect him to remember them all even if he was a bunch younger. Do we really think that say 15 years ago he remembered all the words and how to play a song off "Press To Play" for example?
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Reading the paper today, there was an interview with Garrison Keillor, of Prairie Home Companion, and I had to chuckle at what he had to say: He turns 75 on Aug. 7 and boards a bus the next day for a 28-city "Prairie Home Love & Comedy Tour -- 2017," which he vows will be his last. "I don't think you should go out onstage after the age of 76," Keillor told The Associated Press during a recent interview at his St. Paul office. "You don't want to fall down out there and then all of these people, you know, there's a sudden intake of breath. And men in white jackets come in from the wings and put an oxygen mask on you." "You don't want that to happen. It's too much entertainment for the dollar," he adds. "An entertainer is supposed to go away and have a quiet dotage, and you know, lose your marbles in private and not do this out where people can see you."
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Thisbe211:
Reading the paper today, there was an interview with Garrison Keillor, of Prairie Home Companion, and I had to chuckle at what he had to say: He turns 75 on Aug. 7 and boards a bus the next day for a 28-city "Prairie Home Love & Comedy Tour -- 2017," which he vows will be his last. "I don't think you should go out onstage after the age of 76," Keillor told The Associated Press during a recent interview at his St. Paul office. "You don't want to fall down out there and then all of these people, you know, there's a sudden intake of breath. And men in white jackets come in from the wings and put an oxygen mask on you." "You don't want that to happen. It's too much entertainment for the dollar," he adds. "An entertainer is supposed to go away and have a quiet dotage, and you know, lose your marbles in private and not do this out where people can see you."
My my...he sure hasn't seen a McCartney concert lately.