Paul Collaborating with Kanye West
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audi:
Or in Michael Jackson's case -- a sista'. "ZING!!!"
Oh my!
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oobu24:
OMG NO.
You got that right, imagine the "selfies" KK would be taking - OMG
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oobu24:
beatlesfanrandy:
Bruce M.:
I must say I find it striking that it seems like the only time anyone gets upset about Paul collaborating with someone, it's when the other artist is black. And no, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just noticing a pattern. There are plenty of valid reasons to object to some of Paul's other collaborators (e.g. Dave Grohl's public embrace of crackpot AIDS theories -- see http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/02/foo-fighters-hiv-denies),,) but I never seem to hear those complaints. Just sayin'.
It has nothing to do with him being black. I do not care for that style of music. It could be Eminem or many other artists. And for the record I happen to like Ebony and Ivory and Say Say Say. I just do not like the hiphop music genre.
: It has nothing to do with race. I don't care for the songs Paul did with Elvis Costello either. I've said it before...I don't like (that much) any of his duets. Except of course with the Beatles. And he didn't actually do a duet with Grohl...so that one is fine.
Yup, nothing to do with race at all. It's the style of music in Kanye's case (and the fact he is a complete flog). Eminem is almost just as big a flog and just as much on my list of rap-peddling pretenders..... And I loved Paul's collaborations with Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder.... I'm a fan of both songs with Stevie on Tug of War...hell, I've even bared my soul by admitting my liking of The Man! He plays the game of life so well.... So, nothing to do with race at all... ps. Big fan of "Get it" too
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Yeah, it has nothing to do with race. And we live in a post-racial, colorblind society. And war is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
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Bruce M.:
Yeah, it has nothing to do with race. And we live in a post-racial, colorblind society. And war is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
I'm talking at the least on my behalf. And that is that my complete disregard for Kanye has nothing to do with race.
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It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
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The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
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paulfan11:
I have to say a big NO to this!
Big NO from me too!
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Paul McCartney rapping
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toris:
The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
As a musician, I can see how one could draw that conclusion, but it's not as one-dimensional as it seems. There's a lot of sh!t-music in hip-hop these days, but the genre is worthy of respect, especially when you research its roots. It sprang from a subculture within the black American community. It is not just a musical genre -- it is a culture.
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audi:
toris:
The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
As a musician, I can see how one could draw that conclusion, but it's not as one-dimensional as it seems. There's a lot of sh!t-music in hip-hop these days, but the genre is worthy of respect, especially when you research its roots. It sprang from a subculture within the black American community. It is not just a musical genre -- it is a culture.
The early hiphop style of Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa was very interesting, even good, and I enjoyed Will Smith with DJ Jazzy Jeff too. But unfortunately the community has used hiphop music as an excuse to glorify the gangster lifestyle and violence, and to turn porn into music. Nicki Minaj's new video Anaconda is just another example of how low hiphop has sunk. It's pure sleaze. I don't disregard hiphop because I don't like the music, I disregard it because I don't like the message. I realize it's popular, but I don't have to like it. It's a long way from "I want to hold your hand" to "I don't want none, unless you got buns"!
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beatlesfanrandy:
audi:
toris:
The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
As a musician, I can see how one could draw that conclusion, but it's not as one-dimensional as it seems. There's a lot of sh!t-music in hip-hop these days, but the genre is worthy of respect, especially when you research its roots. It sprang from a subculture within the black American community. It is not just a musical genre -- it is a culture.
The early hiphop style of Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa was very interesting, even good, and I enjoyed Will Smith with DJ Jazzy Jeff too. But unfortunately the community has used hiphop music as an excuse to glorify the gangster lifestyle and violence, and to turn porn into music. Nicki Minaj's new video Anaconda is just another example of how low hiphop has sunk. It's pure sleaze. I don't disregard hiphop because I don't like the music, I disregard it because I don't like the message. I realize it's popular, but I don't have to like it. It's a long way from "I want to hold your hand" to "I don't want none, unless you got buns"!
This may not be the place to get into this, but hip-hop's disintegration is very much a deliberate effort by the powers-that-be. But that's another discussion for another time and place. Nonetheless, your observation is spot-on.
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audi:
toris:
The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
As a musician, I can see how one could draw that conclusion, but it's not as one-dimensional as it seems. There's a lot of sh!t-music in hip-hop these days, but the genre is worthy of respect, especially when you research its roots. It sprang from a subculture within the black American community. It is not just a musical genre -- it is a culture.
In the words of Billy Joel, Rap is not music, it is an art form.
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yankeefan7:
audi:
toris:
The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
As a musician, I can see how one could draw that conclusion, but it's not as one-dimensional as it seems. There's a lot of sh!t-music in hip-hop these days, but the genre is worthy of respect, especially when you research its roots. It sprang from a subculture within the black American community. It is not just a musical genre -- it is a culture.
In the words of Billy Joel, Rap is not music, it is an art form.
I can buy that. Reminds me of the debates that I used to have when I was in electronic-music circles more often: Is a DJ an artist or a musician? I say artist.
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beatlesfanrandy:
audi:
toris:
The Eggman67:
It seems to me that a lot of (the older?) Macca fans react just like their parents did when they heard The Beatles for the first time in the sixties
Except I reckon for my Mum, and others, listening to the Beatles for the first time was an embracing of melody, at the least a nod to Buddy Holly.... something to be proud of... and not enduring a droning, horrific abomination of all forms of music and lyric that embodies "rap"... it is a terrible medium. Yes, that's my view. But I detest rap. It's a beautiful excuse for someone who cannot carry a tune to "sing". Never want to see it enter Beatles folklore. The advent of "rap" should NEVER be allowed in the same sentence, paragraph or coupling of words as The Beatles, as a collective or individuals.
As a musician, I can see how one could draw that conclusion, but it's not as one-dimensional as it seems. There's a lot of sh!t-music in hip-hop these days, but the genre is worthy of respect, especially when you research its roots. It sprang from a subculture within the black American community. It is not just a musical genre -- it is a culture.
The early hiphop style of Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa was very interesting, even good, and I enjoyed Will Smith with DJ Jazzy Jeff too. But unfortunately the community has used hiphop music as an excuse to glorify the gangster lifestyle and violence, and to turn porn into music. Nicki Minaj's new video Anaconda is just another example of how low hiphop has sunk. It's pure sleaze. I don't disregard hiphop because I don't like the music, I disregard it because I don't like the message. I realize it's popular, but I don't have to like it. It's a long way from "I want to hold your hand" to "I don't want none, unless you got buns"!
A lot of it can be sleazy, but like any genre, the good stuff is usually found far from the successful chart acts. One rap act I like is The Roots, who I've been into long before they became Jimmy Fallon's band. Their music is complex, multi-layered, socially conscious, and they play their own instruments. I know this has been said before, but radio has always been a showcase of crap for the most part. I understand that many people don't have time to go searching for obscure music that's actually good, but that's no reason to denigrate any genre of music, just because you haven't searched out the good stuff. Just my two cents!
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Bruce M.:
I must say I find it striking that it seems like the only time anyone gets upset about Paul collaborating with someone, it's when the other artist is black. And no, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just noticing a pattern. There are plenty of valid reasons to object to some of Paul's other collaborators (e.g. Dave Grohl's public embrace of crackpot AIDS theories -- see http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/02/foo-fighters-hiv-deniers),,) but I never seem to hear those complaints. Just sayin'.
Don't play the race card. It isn't about that and I can say from experience, playing the race card when it isn't in the deck lessens it. I like Grohl's music. (I like his AIDS theories too). I don't like Kayne's. My taste. it ain't about race.
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I try very hard to remember that just because a type of music speaks a language I don't understand does not mean it's crap. My knowledge of hip-hop is extremely limited, but there's very little I've heard that I have the slightest interest in hearing again. That puts me much in league with my parents, who in the '60s were totally baffled/annoyed by the Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc., etc., all of whom they initially dismissed as garbage (over time they reluctantly acknowledged that not all Beatles music was garbage, though they never really liked most of it). They grew up on Sinatra, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, etc., and rock was simply speaking a foreign language to them. And that's how it goes with me -- and most of us on here, I suspect -- and hip-hop. But I'm trying very hard not to be my parents and say, "I don't know why the kids today listen to this garbage instead of the good music WE listened to." Each generation produces its own style of music, and each one baffles and annoys previous generations with that music. So while I generally don't like hip-hop, I'm not going to dismiss it. And while there certainly is some that's sleazy garbage (a problem not exactly unique to this particular form of music), I know from my (mostly much younger) coworkers that there's lots of hip-hop that's positive and socially conscious. But, as always, that's not the stuff that generally gets played on radio and achieves big commercial success.
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al Sabah:
Paul McCartney rapping
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Bruce M.:
I try very hard to remember that just because a type of music speaks a language I don't understand does not mean it's crap. My knowledge of hip-hop is extremely limited, but there's very little I've heard that I have the slightest interest in hearing again. That puts me much in league with my parents, who in the '60s were totally baffled/annoyed by the Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc., etc., all of whom they initially dismissed as garbage (over time they reluctantly acknowledged that not all Beatles music was garbage, though they never really liked most of it). They grew up on Sinatra, Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, etc., and rock was simply speaking a foreign language to them. And that's how it goes with me -- and most of us on here, I suspect -- and hip-hop. But I'm trying very hard not to be my parents and say, "I don't know why the kids today listen to this garbage instead of the good music WE listened to." Each generation produces its own style of music, and each one baffles and annoys previous generations with that music. So while I generally don't like hip-hop, I'm not going to dismiss it. And while there certainly is some that's sleazy garbage (a problem not exactly unique to this particular form of music), I know from my (mostly much younger) coworkers that there's lots of hip-hop that's positive and socially conscious. But, as always, that's not the stuff that generally gets played on radio and achieves big commercial success.
BTW - I know a lot of 20 something people like my daughters who are into classic rock from our era more than Hip Hop and not all of them are white. Not that they don't like some of it but you might be amazed how many younger people love groups like the Beatles, Zepplin, Stones etc. I don't know if you ever heard of the Broadway show "In The Heights" which had a bunch of Hip Hop in it and I loved the show. Now that was the exception rather than the rule in my taste of music but just saying I don't dislike all of it. I guess I had a cool Mom because when the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan, she really enjoyed them.
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I'm really not so familiar with Kanye's work... what are some songs that I should listen to? In this area, I really like Justin Timberlake with TI in this one
Another good one is Madonna, Justin Timberlake and Timbaland Also like this one by Black Eyed Peas with will i am and Fergi I'm open to listening to some new music...