New in the Charts Thread
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streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
See 1989 setlist below from Madison Square Garden. McCartney did 6 songs from FITD and even the opener (Figure of Eight) was from the new record at the time. McCartney also did "Ebony and Ivory" and "Coming Up" from solo records (TOW and "McCartney II) that had not been ever played live before this tour. I don't think that was living in the past and this did not really propel FITD into a top seller. Figure of Eight Jet (Wings song) Rough Ride Got to Get You into My Life (The Beatles song) Band on the Run (Wings song) Ebony and Ivory We Got Married Maybe I'm Amazed The Long and Winding Road (The Beatles song) The Fool on the Hill (The Beatles song) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (The Beatles song) Good Day Sunshine (The Beatles song) Can't Buy Me Love (The Beatles song) Put It There Hello, Goodbye (The Beatles song) Things We Said Today (The Beatles song) Eleanor Rigby (The Beatles song) This One My Brave Face Back in the U.S.S.R. (The Beatles song) I Saw Her Standing There (The Beatles song) Twenty Flight Rock (Eddie Cochran cover) Coming Up Let It Be (The Beatles song) Ain't That a Shame (Fats Domino cover) Live and Let Die (Wings song) Hey Jude (The Beatles song) Encore: Yesterday (The Beatles song) Get Back (The Beatles song) Golden Slumbers (The Beatles song) Carry That Weight Play Video (The Beatles song) The End Play Video
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Somebody on Facebook just posted that "New" the album is Number One in Japan, now--true? Hope so, makes it even more exciting that he'll play there in November , for one thing.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
Somebody on Facebook just posted that "New" the album is Number One in Japan, now--true? Hope so, makes it even more exciting that he'll play there in November , for one thing.
It's heading for Number 2 there according to my info. It also appears to be headed for Number 2 in the US.
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cfergoid:
SusyLuvsPaul:
Somebody on Facebook just posted that "New" the album is Number One in Japan, now--true? Hope so, makes it even more exciting that he'll play there in November , for one thing.
It's heading for Number 2 there according to my info. It also appears to be headed for Number 2 in the US.
#2 would be great and possibly could create a positive "buzz" about "New"
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cfergoid:
UK Sales Figures in: 1 John Newman 29,756 2 Pearl Jam 17,559 3 Paul McCartney 15,724 4 Cher 14,621 5 Jonathan & Charlotte 14,490 6 Arctic Monkeys 13,535 7 Miley Cyrus 12,092 8 Chase & Status 10,724 9 Passenger 10,016 10 The Saturdays 9,554 Kisses on the Bottom did 24000 in it's first week.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get these sales figures from?
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chrisstevens:
Just out of curiosity, where did you get these sales figures from?
A friend gave me them!
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Those sales figures are correct just been looking at them on UKMIX forum UK CD sales have been shockingly low all year , it's looking like CD's might have had there day . Paul will struggle to get a Silver Disc in the UK for NEW with sales like this .
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On the US iTunes album chart, "New" peaked at #6 a few days ago, but at this point has dropped to #14. Will be interesting to see if anything can push it back into the Top 10. (Pearl Jam is #2 right now.)
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cfergoid:
UK Sales Figures in: 1 John Newman 29,756 2 Pearl Jam 17,559 3 Paul McCartney 15,724 4 Cher 14,621 5 Jonathan & Charlotte 14,490 6 Arctic Monkeys 13,535 7 Miley Cyrus 12,092 8 Chase & Status 10,724 9 Passenger 10,016 10 The Saturdays 9,554 Kisses on the Bottom did 24000 in it's first week.
If those figures are anywhere near correct (and ive no reason to disbelieve them) that's a poor show when compared to Kisses
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favoritething:
On the US iTunes album chart, "New" peaked at #6 a few days ago, but at this point has dropped to #14. Will be interesting to see if anything can push it back into the Top 10. (Pearl Jam is #2 right now.)
The US promotion was quite a while before the release, he should have pre-recorded a few things for this week.
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Frank:
streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
COULDN`T AGRRE MORE ! Paul seems to feel obliged to sell out arenas and stadiums. Can`t be the money right? No it`s the I am an Ex Beatle and I have to sell out stadiums...even at the cost of a setlist 2/3 of which are drawn entirely from the sixties. Why would we be surprised that everybody outside this board thinks he is an oldies act ? That`s the message Paul himself puts across!It`s such a shame, because people don`t even bother with his new stuff. The hardcore fans buy it in the first two weeks and then it vanishes. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "MY STUFF FROM THE PAST 40 YEARS IS HARDLY WORTH PLAYING LIVE" THEY END UP BELIEVING YOU !
Yes THIS!
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HitsDailyDouble keeps a running tally of sales results as the numbers come in from various sources, and their final tally comes in Tues. afternoon, a day or so before Billboard. You can find it here, with partial results as of Monday evening: http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi Please do not panic when you look at the chart above! This is with only 46% of the numbers in, and the standings can and will change.
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Frank:
streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
COULDN`T AGRRE MORE ! Paul seems to feel obliged to sell out arenas and stadiums. Can`t be the money right? No it`s the I am an Ex Beatle and I have to sell out stadiums...even at the cost of a setlist 2/3 of which are drawn entirely from the sixties. Why would we be surprised that everybody outside this board thinks he is an oldies act ? That`s the message Paul himself puts across!It`s such a shame, because people don`t even bother with his new stuff. The hardcore fans buy it in the first two weeks and then it vanishes. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "MY STUFF FROM THE PAST 40 YEARS IS HARDLY WORTH PLAYING LIVE" THEY END UP BELIEVING YOU !
Post Of The Year.
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Frank:
streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
COULDN`T AGRRE MORE ! Paul seems to feel obliged to sell out arenas and stadiums. Can`t be the money right? No it`s the I am an Ex Beatle and I have to sell out stadiums...even at the cost of a setlist 2/3 of which are drawn entirely from the sixties. Why would we be surprised that everybody outside this board thinks he is an oldies act ? That`s the message Paul himself puts across!It`s such a shame, because people don`t even bother with his new stuff. The hardcore fans buy it in the first two weeks and then it vanishes. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "MY STUFF FROM THE PAST 40 YEARS IS HARDLY WORTH PLAYING LIVE" THEY END UP BELIEVING YOU !
Playing devil's advocate and I am big fan of his solo work. In 1989, McCartney had not played the US since 1976. His setlist for the tour includes 6 songs from his new record called FITD. McCartney opens with song from that new record called "Figure of Eight". Isn't playing live about 1/2 of your new record good enough? Isn't opening the concert with song from your new record a statement that I am a relevant artist? That tour, he also played his number 1 single from 1982 called Ebony and Ivory" and "Coming Up" which also a number 1 single in 1980. IMO - playing six songs from your latest record in setlist is pretty good and he rewarded fans who gave him two number 1 songs that decade by playing the songs live. Take a look at the 1993 tour setlist. You will see McCartney played six songs from his new record that year called OTG. Once again, he played almost half of the songs on this latest record in setlist tour. In both tours, McCartney featured songs from his current record and neither record was a huge hit commercially.
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During the 1989-90 tour, yes, he played 6 new songs and opened up with Figure of Eight....and guess what...... FLowers hit #1 in the UK...... In 1993 he played 6 new songs...and guess what.....Hope of deliverance was a worldwide smash hit......... 2002......didn't even play the original single, Lover to a friend, cut down to 3 songs....and Driving Rain, a great masterpiece, didn't even dash to #1. 2005.......4 songs only and didn't play any good songs from the album, no this happened before, no At the mercy, no promise to you girl, no anyway......and album sales was soft. 2007, no proper tour, even during those secret gigs he only played 4 new songs......if he had a chance to play 10 songs from a new album, would have been during those secret shows, yet, again, plays lady madonna and get back.......oh boy!!!!! and didn't even play the single ever present past????? it was supposedly the single, and didn't even play it live????? don't' get it. 2013,.........again.....out there tour.....no new song, no hype no nothing. Promotional pop up shows....plays NEW twice....lol!!!!!!! seriously...... then we wonder why he hasn't had a #1 album in over 20 years. He should really adopt the attitude " i don't give an F" and pull a bob dylan....play obscure songs, or pull a bruce springsteen or prince, a different show every night...... It's as if he is not proud of his solo work or something...that's really irritating me........makes my blood boil.... Whenever he puts down Press to play or his other work, or say stupid things like he doesn't remember his work form the 70's, it's making not wanna be his hard core fan anymore.... Beatles beatles beatles, i am sick and tired of those stupid stories, stupid interviews,enough is enough!!!!!!! I have to respect Bob Dylan for finding new fans, and concentrating on them, the new fans are the ones supporting him and buy his records.....Macca should do the same, the new fans are the ones who will not judge him for what he did 50 years ago, they are the ones appreciating him for his current work...and that's the key to stay relevant........He is a active musician....not a tribute act...for goodness sake...... Man... It makes me so angry just to think about it!!!! NEW should be dominating the charts.....not lose out to some 21 year old kid or to Pear Jam....this is totally unacceptable !!!!!!!!
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I would say he DID play good songs from "Chaos," because they're all good! Strange, yes, that he never did "Ever Present Past" live, and equally strange that the Out There tour was named after "Everybody Out There" but he didn't debut that song during it. Hard to imagine that when he comes back around in 2014 he will still be calling it the Out There tour, I think, so what was the point?
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Wingsla:
During the 1989-90 tour, yes, he played 6 new songs and opened up with Figure of Eight....and guess what...... FLowers hit #1 in the UK...... In 1993 he played 6 new songs...and guess what.....Hope of deliverance was a worldwide smash hit......... 2002......didn't even play the original single, Lover to a friend, cut down to 3 songs....and Driving Rain, a great masterpiece, didn't even dash to #1. 2005.......4 songs only and didn't play any good songs from the album, no this happened before, no At the mercy, no promise to you girl, no anyway......and album sales was soft. 2007, no proper tour, even during those secret gigs he only played 4 new songs......if he had a chance to play 10 songs from a new album, would have been during those secret shows, yet, again, plays lady madonna and get back.......oh boy!!!!! and didn't even play the single ever present past????? it was supposedly the single, and didn't even play it live????? don't' get it. 2013,.........again.....out there tour.....no new song, no hype no nothing. Promotional pop up shows....plays NEW twice....lol!!!!!!! seriously...... then we wonder why he hasn't had a #1 album in over 20 years. He should really adopt the attitude " i don't give an F" and pull a bob dylan....play obscure songs, or pull a bruce springsteen or prince, a different show every night...... It's as if he is not proud of his solo work or something...that's really irritating me........makes my blood boil.... Whenever he puts down Press to play or his other work, or say stupid things like he doesn't remember his work form the 70's, it's making not wanna be his hard core fan anymore.... Beatles beatles beatles, i am sick and tired of those stupid stories, stupid interviews,enough is enough!!!!!!! I have to respect Bob Dylan for finding new fans, and concentrating on them, the new fans are the ones supporting him and buy his records.....Macca should do the same, the new fans are the ones who will not judge him for what he did 50 years ago, they are the ones appreciating him for his current work...and that's the key to stay relevant........He is a active musician....not a tribute act...for goodness sake...... Man... It makes me so angry just to think about it!!!! NEW should be dominating the charts.....not lose out to some 21 year old kid or to Pear Jam....this is totally unacceptable !!!!!!!!
First, FITD and "Hope of Deliverance" basically flopped in US and that is the major market for him in the world. I will also add that when I saw McCartney in in 1989, the crowd sat on it's hands when he played the new songs and went nuts with the Beatle/Wings stuff. Yes, he played less songs from DR on tour but he played a couple of songs from it at the 9/11 concert which was seen worldwide by millions. As for Dylan, give me a break. He is nowhere near the musical/commercial icon of McCartney. Really, you are going to compare famous Dylan songs with McCartney's from the Beatles. There are hundreds of songs people would love to hear McCartney play and maybe there are 4-5 must hear songs from Dylan for the casual fan. In other words, lot easier for artist like Dylan to ignore the past. Finally, I agree with you and would love to hear more solo stuff in his setlist. Ask any other peorson on this board and I have been saying this for years. IMO - it comes down to money. MCcartney makes more money touring than having a #1 record. He can't charge those ticket prices and sell out stadiums if he ignores his Beatle past. I think we all just need to understand it is not going to change at this stage in his career.
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I think that Dylan is at least as big a musical icon as McCartney.
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Pearl Jam have a hardcore cult like hoard of devotees, and being an old soul/young bloke who grew up and lives on the ocean the music of PJ is forever in my soul. Had New been released on a different week, I am sure it would have topped the US Chart
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Danish Macca:
I think that Dylan is at least as big a musical icon as McCartney.
While I'm not a big Dylan fan I would say he's a much a much bigger icon than Paul. Paul is only appreciated for his 60's music (and Band On The Run) whereas Dylan is seen as a far more interesting and complex artist/person, not to mention he is still considered artistically relevant.