FourFiveSeconds- new collab. with Rihanna, Kanye and Paul
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graystoke:
Didn't look like Paul knew the words too well. Even Nancy seemed to know them better! Not that it mattered, as his mic wasn't on anyway. As expected, he looked completely out of place. And West's pathetic attempt to upstage Beck during his acceptance speech for Record Of The Year was pitiful and speaks volumes for the character of the man.
Have to agree with you. Here, hard core fans are going to gush no matter what. However, I am reading from others he looked out of place. This will be forgotten by everyone by noon today.
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RMartinez:
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
There are lots of Kanye covers. There's a whole generation that loves him. A generation may be all that it takes, regardless of what our generation thinks. Not saying he's "better or greater" than the Beatles, just that his musical reputation and influence were established before the world knew his face or public antics, and before anyone had ever seen a Kardashian on TV.Wow. Can you give an example of a work composed by Kanye and covered by another popular artist? Not being provocative, I just am interested in this sort of thing.
Popular artists don't really cover each other's songs anymore. I'm talking about amateurs on YouTube, which is what young people care about. Maybe Jimmy Fallon, if you're lucky. (Lord, help me, is he our arbiter of good taste??)
My point is I am not convinced the sounds are coverable. We have turned a corner in popular music. Rap is not a coverable medium. It seems to be more about the moment, like everything these days.
He's coverable, because other people are covering him on YouTube. Just do a search, and the covers are out there. Not to say that Michael Bublé is gonna cover him, but there's a whole young generation that accepts him as part of the landscape. He's not controversial to them. Just like our generation is bringing Paul and Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen to the Super Bowl and similar events, Kanye will be a lock for these kinds of things in the future, no doubt.
Youtube covers are not equal to the likes of Frank Sinatra or Diane Krall covering your songs. Only time will tell if this guy will even merit a mention in the history of music in fifty years, or a hundred years. At the moment, he is not famous for his music, rather for his antics. People aren't even talking about him and Paul today, except here. His lame attempt to upstage Beck is getting more press. So, for the moment, I am right. If, and when, Kanye sells out stadiums thirty years into his career and is known for his timeless music, I will reconsider your thesis.
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For what it's worth, Billboard ranked the 23 Grammy performances from the show, and called Paul/Rihanna/Kanye the fourth best: "Watching Paul McCartney sing feet away from Rihanna -- and then watching Kanye sing-rap while Macca jovially strummed his guitar -- was every bit as crazy and beautiful as we'd hoped for. "FourFiveSeconds" ironically takes time to grow on you, but the presence of three disparate pop stars on stage with each other was one of the most deliriously awesome Grammy highlights." http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6465572/2015-grammy-performances-worst-to-best Yes, Kanye was a major d-bag for ranting about Beck's win.
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favoritething:
For what it's worth, Billboard ranked the 23 Grammy performances from the show, and called Paul/Rihanna/Kanye the fourth best: "Watching Paul McCartney sing feet away from Rihanna -- and then watching Kanye sing-rap while Macca jovially strummed his guitar -- was every bit as crazy and beautiful as we'd hoped for. "FourFiveSeconds" ironically takes time to grow on you, but the presence of three disparate pop stars on stage with each other was one of the most deliriously awesome Grammy highlights." http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6465572/2015-grammy-performances-worst-to-best Yes, Kanye was a major d-bag for ranting about Beck's win.
Well, that is promising. The review, I mean.
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Thought that was a fine performance by all three, and I like the song too!
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Macca was in very fine form last night. Made up for his embarrassing last appearance on SNL when his voice was in horrible form. Lets hope this appearance is the clincher in making 45 seconds Paul's next #1.
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toris:
I'm hearing and even appreciating all the discussion on the dissidents (me included, and prominent amongst them) deriding Kanye, and how the initial youth followers of The Beatles and Elvis had to put up with similar protests from their elders..... "the needle returning to the start of the song and we all sing along like before"... However, I will never entertain Kanye and his style of music surviving like the Beatles and Elvis, or even Sinatra or someone like John Williams, whose compositions will do just fine in terms of longevity. I know of many a parent/Grandparent who was sceptical of the Beatles at first glance, who are quite happy to admit they were wrong. They actually now acknowledge them as the biggest influence on music ever. They want to borrow MY CD's... and I am the chicken after the egg. I don't see too many in the future having the need to say they were wrong about Kanye, or others that are his peers. It's a style of music that doesn't seem to evolve. The Beatles defined an era. Kanye and his music do not. He, Biebs, Miley and Eminem, and so many around them, are just a bulb on the great passage of light that was the Beatles, Elvis, throw in Buddy Holly, Mozart and Beethoven, and whoever came up with the theme for Hawaii Five-O. And so many others. Mr. Kardashian, and hopefully rap, will fall away and once more melody, humility and talent will reign supreme.
I did like the performance & loved Nancy singing in the audience. I like this song way way better than the other.
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43 years ago today, Paul (as a member of Wings) played the first date on the university tour, at Nottingham. Kanya wouldn't be born for another 5 years and Rihanna for another 16.
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The Eggman67:
RMartinez:
The video is removed already
It's still here http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kanye-rihanna-paul-mccartney-grammys-771275 HTF can Paul's microphone be dead at a show like this ?!
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JoeySmith:
Macca was in very fine form last night. Made up for his embarrassing last appearance on SNL when his voice was in horrible form. Lets hope this appearance is the clincher in making 45 seconds Paul's next #1.
I think it is considered more Rihanna's since it's being released on her album. Isn't this supposed to be like her comeback song?
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oobu24:
Bruce M.:
And what my parents said about the Beatles!
Everyone seems to have that response.
My parents thought Broadway show tunes were too permissive.
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oobu24:
Bruce M.:
By your definition Elle Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra were not musicians. Yeah. Right.
I would say they were singers not musicians. Musicians play a musical instrument. Probably separate unions. lol Although Louis & Elvis did play instruments.
When I sing, I sing music.
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favoritething:
And that's okay. And Paul will perform with Kanye and Rihanna and everything will be fine.
The Earth kept spinning and everything.
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Nancy R:
Webster's says musician is "a person skilled in music, as a composer or one who plays a musical instrument or sings, especially for a living."
Noah Webster never trended on twitter. What does he know?
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RMartinez:
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For what it's worth, Billboard ranked the 23 Grammy performances from the show, and called Paul/Rihanna/Kanye the fourth best: "Watching Paul McCartney sing feet away from Rihanna -- and then watching Kanye sing-rap while Macca jovially strummed his guitar -- was every bit as crazy and beautiful as we'd hoped for. "FourFiveSeconds" ironically takes time to grow on you, but the presence of three disparate pop stars on stage with each other was one of the most deliriously awesome Grammy highlights." http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6465572/2015-grammy-performances-worst-to-best Yes, Kanye was a major d-bag for ranting about Beck's win.
Well, that is promising. The review, I mean.
______________________________________________________ Rollingstone also wrote a very positive review (albeit small) of the performance. I'm not gushing over Paul's specific part, but overall it subtlety showed that Paul is the musician of the collaboration and I like that aspect. I didn't think that Paul was out of place or stiff at all. Playing guitar is something Paul always loved and he seemed to really enjoy playing while Rihanna was singing. Rihanna has a perfect voice for the song in my opinion. When "45 seconds" slows down, it kinds of reminds me of "Turned Out" from NEW. To me the music of "45 Seconds" clearly has Macca's hands all over it. Seems like Paul is on another writing roll and I hope he tours far less in 2015 and writes more.
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favoritething:
... Yes, Kanye was a major d-bag for ranting about Beck's win.
And Kanye gave an interview backstage & said Beck should give the award to Beyonce. OMG. :
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toris:
Mr. Kardashian, and hopefully rap, will fall away and once more melody, humility and talent will reign supreme.
It's a style of music that has lasted almost four decades. How long does it have to last before people accept that it will last?
parlance
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It was ok. If you are a McCartney fan (like everyone on this forum) it's always great just to see Paul in his black jacket, white shirt, and left-handed guitar being all McCartney-ish. But it wasn't a career changer for Paul. And I suspect he doesn't see it that way. I doubt any young Kanye fans are going to go buy Band On The Run or Flowers in the Dirt because of this. Just like I'm not going to buy any Kanye CDs because of this.
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oobu24:
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... Yes, Kanye was a major d-bag for ranting about Beck's win.
And Kanye gave an interview backstage & said Beck should give the award to Beyonce. OMG. :
Yes, that's what I mean. He just can't help himself. He could have had the world talking about either of his performances from the show, but instead he calls attention to something completely different. Oh well, so much for rehabilitating his image.
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oobu24:
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... Yes, Kanye was a major d-bag for ranting about Beck's win.
And Kanye gave an interview backstage & said Beck should give the award to Beyonce. OMG. :
Yes, that's what I mean. He just can't help himself. He could have had the world talking about either of his performances from the show, but instead he calls attention to something completely different. Oh well, so much for rehabilitating his image.
whole speech... : Kanye West Blasts The Grammys After Beck Win http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/09/kanye-west-blasts-grammys_n_6642542.html