New McCartney song on film soundtrack
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Kestrel:
Luca:
Kestrel:
The orchestral overdub was recorded on the 11th July this year at Angel studios in London. Does anyone have any information on when and where Paul recorded his part of the song?
Interesting Kestrel, where did you have the info?
It came from a tweet from Chris Egan (scroll down to the appropriate date). https://twitter.com/chriseganmusic It seems that the main orchestrations were done in May so as this seems to be a separate session specifically for Paul's song, it probably means that Paul's contribution hadn't been recorded at the time. I think more time would have been required to book the orchestra and for Carl Davis to write his arrangements so I think possibly Paul's recordings took place sometime in June.
Almost, it was July. Last paragraph: "Raymond Briggs, Camilla Deakin, and myself met up with Paul McCartney in his Soho office on May 14th 2014. I had suggested to Raymond that he might write a letter to Paul to see if he was interested in composing a song for our Ethel and Ernest film. Raymond's book 'Fungus the Bogeyman' had influenced Paul's track Bogey Music on his 1980 album McCartney II. So that connection, and Paul's well known love of animation, encouraged us to believe that he might be interested. We were thrilled when he said he was. At the meeting he produced a CD of some music that he had been working on. One track was entitled Mum and Dad. This track eventually became In The Blink Of An Eye which we have used over the end credits. Raymond and Paul found many connections as they chatted. They had both been grammar school boys, and their fathers were both auxiliary firemen in World War 2. We talked about Paul's father being a band leader, and how he composed a piece of music that Paul later recorded. The track is called 'Walking in the Park with Eloise' and we suggested to him that it would be really nice to have it in the film. We had a chat about the style of Ethel and Ernest. I said it would be hand drawn animation but there would be 3D elements in it for vehicles, planes, and the mangle that Ethel uses for washing. We showed him some of the artwork for the film. He stopped at a picture of the mangle in the scullery and recalled how he and his brother used to try and feed old 78rpm records through the rollers to see if they could get them through without breaking. He laughed and added, "we couldn't!". Fast forward two years and as we neared completion of the film we made contact with Paul's office again. By this time Carl Davis was on board and by coincidence rather than design this proved to be an excellent opportunity to revive a collaboration that had begun twenty five years previously. In 1991 the first performance of Paul McCartney's Liverpool Oratorio was conducted by Carl Davis in Liverpool Cathedral. Carl and Paul had collaborated on the oratorio to celebrate the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra's 150th anniversary. Now in 2016 Paul and Carl met up again to work on the string arrangement of the Mum and Dad theme. Paul was touring in 2016, playing to sold out stadiums in the US and Europe, but in July he had a small window in his busy schedule. He wrote and performed some lyrics, recording them at his Hog Hill Mill studio in Sussex. The string arrangement was conducted by Carl and performed by the Chamber Orchestra of London. It was recorded at Angel studios under the musical direction of Chris Egan. Roger Mainwood, Director"
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the first time I heard the song, I must admit that I was a bit disappointed with both the song and Paul's voice. Now that I've heard it around ten times, I have to re-evaluate it. I love it more and more for each listen, I think it's a very beautiful song and I love his voice too. I'm also a big fan of Paul's voice on Early Days. I like the natural Paul
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Danish Macca:
the first time I heard the song, I must admit that I was a bit disappointed with both the song and Paul's voice. Now that I've heard it around ten times, I have to re-evaluate it. I love it more and more for each listen, I think it's a very beautiful song and I love his voice too. I'm also a big fan of Paul's voice on Early Days. I like the natural Paul
______________________________________________________ I agree with you Danish. The more I hear it, the more I love the song. How does Paul write so many beautiful melodies so effortlessly? I still think that Early Days is the best song on NEW (followed by Queenie Eye). Maybe I've gotten more used to his older/mature voice on his recent songs. I have more difficulty with his current voice when he tries to sing one of his old classics...e.g. Maybe I'm Amazed, Let It Be etc.
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nobodytoldme:
Almost, it was July. Last paragraph: "Now in 2016 Paul and Carl met up again to work on the string arrangement of the Mum and Dad theme. Paul was touring in 2016, playing to sold out stadiums in the US and Europe, but in July he had a small window in his busy schedule. He wrote and performed some lyrics, recording them at his Hog Hill Mill studio in Sussex. The string arrangement was conducted by Carl and performed by the Chamber Orchestra of London. It was recorded at Angel studios under the musical direction of Chris Egan. Roger Mainwood, Director"
Thanks for the correction,I should have read further. ops: Looks like Luca was basically right with his calculation.
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Wow, just heard it...it's a beautiful song and he sings it quite touchingly and poignantly. the words are quite moving. Its title is a clich?, which bothered me a little at first. Is this a love story (the movie)? Maybe that's explained on page one. The plot. Interestingly right after hearing it, I sought out Paul's duet with Neil Young of " Why Don't We Do It In the Road?" Funny that they sang that together at the Desert Trip concert out West. Does that mean Paul and Neil(??)--Nope, I doubt it ops:
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B J Conlee:
Danish Macca:
the first time I heard the song, I must admit that I was a bit disappointed with both the song and Paul's voice. Now that I've heard it around ten times, I have to re-evaluate it. I love it more and more for each listen, I think it's a very beautiful song and I love his voice too. I'm also a big fan of Paul's voice on Early Days. I like the natural Paul
______________________________________________________ I agree with you Danish. The more I hear it, the more I love the song. How does Paul write so many beautiful melodies so effortlessly? I still think that Early Days is the best song on NEW (followed by Queenie Eye). Maybe I've gotten more used to his older/mature voice on his recent songs. I have more difficulty with his current voice when he tries to sing one of his old classics...e.g. Maybe I'm Amazed, Let It Be etc.
I agree with both posts. I loved the song as soon as I heard it. I have been listening to it a lot over the last few days, I love it more each time I hear it. It really is beautiful. The music is catchy and the words are sad (Typical Paul song, eh?) People often complain about his lyrics being too simple, but I think this song is a perfect example of how simple lyrics really illustrate what he's trying to say--they convey the emotion of the song. People also complain about his voice, but I didn't mind it too much the first time I heard the track and now with so many listens, I really don't mind it. I also am one of the fans who liked his voice on Early Days.
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thanks nobodytoldme for the info
At the meeting he produced a CD of some music that he had been working on. One track was entitled Mum and Dad. This track eventually became In The Blink Of An Eye which we have used over the end credits.
I thought this was interesting. So, Paul titled it Mum and Dad? I am guessing it is about his parents. If it is, that is really sweet.
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~lady*madonna~:
love2travel:
Come on guys, can you go easy on the voice...it happens when you get older. Let me ask, when your grandparents or parents get older, do you complain to them about their voice!?
If they made a record and the vocal wasn't good, yes, I would remark to them about it. I'm not bashing the fact that Paul's speaking voice has changed, it happens as we get older, but when it affects his singing ability like it has, then maybe it's time to realize it and he can do other things musically since he is still so talented.
Certainly he can do other things musically, he always has. The thing that gets to me is other people are telling him to retire, or to quit singing. If he still enjoys it, why should he quit... Do we have the right to tell other people how to run their life? He's an artist. Artists keep doing what they do, right up to the end of the end.... When Mattisse could no longer paint, he cut out paper and had assistants help him "paint" with the cutouts. http://www.henri-matisse.net/cut_outs.html Renior became arthritic with RA and yet he painted with paint brushes tied to his hands and people holding the canvases for him! http://www.openculture.com/2012/07/astonishing_film_of_arthritic_impressionist_painter_pierre-auguste_renoir_1915.html Look at van Gogh, he never stopped and didn't even sell but 1 painting. The over 900 other paintings he painted did not become famous until after his death!! An artist, is an artist, is an artist... I'm sure there are similar examples for musicians, it's just I'm really into art, and so I know of dozens of examples for art. BB King played in a chair when it got to that point he couldn't stand. Paul is certainly not there yet, IMHO He's an artist and he should have freedom to express himself creatively, however he wants!!! There are those of us who will always go to his shows and always buy his works and are very interested in seeing what he's going to surprise us with next!!! In a future world he will be so legendary and the children will ask their mothers... Mom, why did they try to get him to stop?!
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Love your post love2travel
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I find it ironic he wrote a song about Mother, Father and child bonds right now.
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love2travel:
~lady*madonna~:
love2travel:
Come on guys, can you go easy on the voice...it happens when you get older. Let me ask, when your grandparents or parents get older, do you complain to them about their voice!?
If they made a record and the vocal wasn't good, yes, I would remark to them about it. I'm not bashing the fact that Paul's speaking voice has changed, it happens as we get older, but when it affects his singing ability like it has, then maybe it's time to realize it and he can do other things musically since he is still so talented.
Certainly he can do other things musically, he always has. The thing that gets to me is other people are telling him to retire, or to quit singing. If he still enjoys it, why should he quit... Do we have the right to tell other people how to run their life? He's an artist. Artists keep doing what they do, right up to the end of the end.... When Mattisse could no longer paint, he cut out paper and had assistants help him "paint" with the cutouts. http://www.henri-matisse.net/cut_outs.html Renior became arthritic with RA and yet he painted with paint brushes tied to his hands and people holding the canvases for him! http://www.openculture.com/2012/07/astonishing_film_of_arthritic_impressionist_painter_pierre-auguste_renoir_1915.html Look at van Gogh, he never stopped and didn't even sell but 1 painting. The over 900 other paintings he painted did not become famous until after his death!! An artist, is an artist, is an artist... I'm sure there are similar examples for musicians, it's just I'm really into art, and so I know of dozens of examples for art. BB King played in a chair when it got to that point he couldn't stand. Paul is certainly not there yet, IMHO He's an artist and he should have freedom to express himself creatively, however he wants!!! There are those of us who will always go to his shows and always buy his works and are very interested in seeing what he's going to surprise us with next!!! In a future world he will be so legendary and the children will ask their mothers... Mom, why did they try to get him to stop?!
I don't know the relevance or exactly how the various things/artists cited compare with Paul's deteriorated voice, but if BB King sat down, that did not mean he couldn't play his guitar or sing the way he could when he was standing. Paul....however painful it is for me to say....just sounds embarrassing to hear on that movie song. Certainly he can't be happy with it...if he's being objective. It's dreadful. We can't wish or rationalize our way around it. ops: IMO
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
love2travel:
~lady*madonna~:
love2travel:
Come on guys, can you go easy on the voice...it happens when you get older. Let me ask, when your grandparents or parents get older, do you complain to them about their voice!?
If they made a record and the vocal wasn't good, yes, I would remark to them about it. I'm not bashing the fact that Paul's speaking voice has changed, it happens as we get older, but when it affects his singing ability like it has, then maybe it's time to realize it and he can do other things musically since he is still so talented.
Certainly he can do other things musically, he always has. The thing that gets to me is other people are telling him to retire, or to quit singing. If he still enjoys it, why should he quit... Do we have the right to tell other people how to run their life? He's an artist. Artists keep doing what they do, right up to the end of the end.... When Mattisse could no longer paint, he cut out paper and had assistants help him "paint" with the cutouts. http://www.henri-matisse.net/cut_outs.html Renior became arthritic with RA and yet he painted with paint brushes tied to his hands and people holding the canvases for him! http://www.openculture.com/2012/07/astonishing_film_of_arthritic_impressionist_painter_pierre-auguste_renoir_1915.html Look at van Gogh, he never stopped and didn't even sell but 1 painting. The over 900 other paintings he painted did not become famous until after his death!! An artist, is an artist, is an artist... I'm sure there are similar examples for musicians, it's just I'm really into art, and so I know of dozens of examples for art. BB King played in a chair when it got to that point he couldn't stand. Paul is certainly not there yet, IMHO He's an artist and he should have freedom to express himself creatively, however he wants!!! There are those of us who will always go to his shows and always buy his works and are very interested in seeing what he's going to surprise us with next!!! In a future world he will be so legendary and the children will ask their mothers... Mom, why did they try to get him to stop?!
I don't know the relevance or exactly how the various things/artists cited compare with Paul's deteriorated voice, but if BB King sat down, that did not mean he couldn't play his guitar or sing the way he could when he was standing. Paul....however painful it is for me to say....just sounds embarrassing to hear on that movie song. Certainly he can't be happy with it...if he's being objective. It's dreadful. We can't wish or rationalize our way around it. ops: IMO
I think the point is Paul will keep making music as that is who he is. I think he realizes his voice is now in poor form & his melodies are worn out, but if he keeps making people happy at shows or by selling music he will continue. He'll stop when no one shows up at his concerts or buys his new album. Dylan has the same philosophy I believe. I guess there are some musicians, as there are athletes, who will hang it up since they can no longer compare to their prime. Paul doesn't seem that type.
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"Melodies worn out" You must be joking. Also MANY love his voice as it now is, appreciate the warmth and depth and emotion. bob Dylan for example has always sounded "old," his singing voice, and yet has often sounded so good. Marianne Faithfull's singing in her later years sounds quite weathered and yet is deemed quite cool and hip, by many and is even appreciated more than her younger sweet high soprano, by some. Macca still sounds much like his former vocals, fairly often, and he's still quiet youthful and always will be.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
"Melodies worn out" You must be joking. Also MANY love his voice as it now is, appreciate the warmth and depth and emotion. bob Dylan for example has always sounded "old," his singing voice, and yet has often sounded so good. Marianne Faithfull's singing in her later years sounds quite weathered and yet is deemed quite cool and hip, by many and is even appreciated more than her younger sweet high soprano, by some. Macca still sounds much like his former vocals, fairly often, and he's still quiet youthful
No, many people do not love Paul's current voice, unless "many" means a handful of people on this board who can't face reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but he sounds like hell these days. Dylan never sounded good but made it work. Paul was different. He could be fierce one moment and almost ethereally sweet and beautiful the next. He can't anymore and -- inevitable as the aging process is -- it's still sad. Yes, he makes the best of what he's got left, but his voice is a shadow of what it was.
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Bruce M.:
SusyLuvsPaul:
"Melodies worn out" You must be joking. Also MANY love his voice as it now is, appreciate the warmth and depth and emotion. bob Dylan for example has always sounded "old," his singing voice, and yet has often sounded so good. Marianne Faithfull's singing in her later years sounds quite weathered and yet is deemed quite cool and hip, by many and is even appreciated more than her younger sweet high soprano, by some. Macca still sounds much like his former vocals, fairly often, and he's still quiet youthful
No, many people do not love Paul's current voice, unless "many" means a handful of people on this board who can't face reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but he sounds like hell these days. Dylan never sounded good but made it work. Paul was different. He could be fierce one moment and almost ethereally sweet and beautiful the next. He can't anymore and -- inevitable as the aging process is -- it's still sad. Yes, he makes the best of what he's got left, but his voice is a shadow of what it was.
I mostly agree with your comments Bruce. I agree with the Bob Dylan and Paul comparison and how Paul is doing the best with what he's got. But Susy has a valid point; there are many people who like his singing voice now as well as in the past. And they are not all "handful of people on this board who can't face reality" (Ouch, btw. I don't love his vocals lately, compared to the past, obviously, but I don't despise them so much that I think he should quit singing, like many others on this board). I have learned from being on a lot of different social media sites (where there are big Paul fans and casual ones), I am surprised how many people like the new song and even like his voice on it. I thought everyone would hate it because so many boadies on here do, but I realized that is not the case. I have learned that is also the case with his concerts. Lots of complaining on this board, but other places on the internet, people mostly are happy with his live performances. My point is: just because everyone on this board feels a certain way, that doesn't mean all fans feel that same way too-not every Paul fan is on this board, Bruce.
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Bruce M.:
SusyLuvsPaul:
"Melodies worn out" You must be joking. Also MANY love his voice as it now is, appreciate the warmth and depth and emotion. bob Dylan for example has always sounded "old," his singing voice, and yet has often sounded so good. Marianne Faithfull's singing in her later years sounds quite weathered and yet is deemed quite cool and hip, by many and is even appreciated more than her younger sweet high soprano, by some. Macca still sounds much like his former vocals, fairly often, and he's still quiet youthful
No, many people do not love Paul's current voice, unless "many" means a handful of people on this board who can't face reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but he sounds like hell these days. Dylan never sounded good but made it work. Paul was different. He could be fierce one moment and almost ethereally sweet and beautiful the next. He can't anymore and -- inevitable as the aging process is -- it's still sad. Yes, he makes the best of what he's got left, but his voice is a shadow of what it was.
Both Macca and Dylan still pull them in for their concerts, especially Paul who is one of the top touring draws on the planet, you know.
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Paul was in very bad form at the recent Desert concert. I don't think he's ever sounded worse. Hard to watch on video.
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Apple Scruff:
Bruce M.:
SusyLuvsPaul:
"Melodies worn out" You must be joking. Also MANY love his voice as it now is, appreciate the warmth and depth and emotion. bob Dylan for example has always sounded "old," his singing voice, and yet has often sounded so good. Marianne Faithfull's singing in her later years sounds quite weathered and yet is deemed quite cool and hip, by many and is even appreciated more than her younger sweet high soprano, by some. Macca still sounds much like his former vocals, fairly often, and he's still quiet youthful
No, many people do not love Paul's current voice, unless "many" means a handful of people on this board who can't face reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but he sounds like hell these days. Dylan never sounded good but made it work. Paul was different. He could be fierce one moment and almost ethereally sweet and beautiful the next. He can't anymore and -- inevitable as the aging process is -- it's still sad. Yes, he makes the best of what he's got left, but his voice is a shadow of what it was.
I mostly agree with your comments Bruce. I agree with the Bob Dylan and Paul comparison and how Paul is doing the best with what he's got. But Susy has a valid point; there are many people who like his singing voice now as well as in the past. And they are not all "handful of people on this board who can't face reality" (Ouch, btw. I don't love his vocals lately, compared to the past, obviously, but I don't despise them so much that I think he should quit singing, like many others on this board). I have learned from being on a lot of different social media sites (where there are big Paul fans and casual ones), I am surprised how many people like the new song and even like his voice on it. I thought everyone would hate it because so many boadies on here do, but I realized that is not the case. I have learned that is also the case with his concerts. Lots of complaining on this board, but other places on the internet, people mostly are happy with his live performances. My point is: just because everyone on this board feels a certain way, that doesn't mean all fans feel that same way too-not every Paul fan is on this board, Bruce.
_________________________________________________________ Apple Scruff ...Some excellent points. Bruce...I always love your posts also because you keep me on my toes (when I get carried away in Paul fandom which I admit I sometimes do). Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect Bruce's and others here on this board. As far as Paul's current voice, I certainly agree that Paul will never sing (rockers especially) like he did during his Ram, BOTR, V&M years. Nor will he sing many of his signature songs today (Maybe I'm Amazed is the obvious one) like he even did on the 2002 and 2005 tours. Age no doubt takes a toll on every singer especially considering the years of touring that Paul has done. But I have grown to like his "older" voice on albums like Chaos and Memory Almost Full. Maybe because my expectations aren't as great or maybe because Paul writes such of variety of material. He's not just a rocker. A good example is the song "You Tell Me" on MAF. It definitely has Paul's older voice but yet it is one of my favorite songs on the album. On Jenny Wren from Chaos, Paul has a whispering type of vocal but again I love the song. And on NEW, my favorite song on the album is Early Days which is definitely Paul's current "older" voice. As long as Paul in the future writes these type of songs which lyrically are deeper, I like Paul's older voice. Again, not as great vocally as Paul in his prime, but I can still like his older voice as long as i like the song. Personally, I have always like his more meaningful type of songs the best like Somedays, Little Willow and Put It There. I for one am hoping that Paul stays off the road, rests his voice and spends more time writing. He's now at the time in his life that he lyrically can continue to write about "life experiences". And he can still write memorable melodies that can better fit his current voice. In this regard, I think that with good material, his "older voice" can resonate and I am confident he can over the next few years release a "great" album or two. H needs to stay home and take his time on his writing. Thinking more about the rocker Paul of yesteryear, he would sound pretty silly singing and writing songs like Jet or Monkberry Moon Delight in his 70's which he clearly can't sing anymore. I hope he stays more with mid-tempo style songs in the future anyway.
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B J Conlee:
But I have grown to like his "older" voice on albums like Chaos and Memory Almost Full. He's not just a rocker. A good example is the song "You Tell Me" on MAF. It definitely has Paul's older voice but yet it is one of my favorite songs on the album.
'You Tell Me' is my favourite song from MAF as well. I also like Paul's 'older' voice,which is especially effective on a song like Scared, the stand out track on New in my opinion. Then again, on the new song (which I still think is a mediocre song by Paul's own standards), his vocals sound particularly hoarse and weak, no doubt from recent over use rather than simply the effect of aging. If resting his vocals for a few months would have led to an improved vocal performance then that's what he should have done. Releasing a sub-standard performance when it could have been avoided does his credibility no favours at all. I appreciate that Paul enjoys the adulation and financial rewards that his live concerts bring but personally I really wish he would stop wearing out his voice from simply repeating songs he has sung before and instead save it for his new material,which is far more important.
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Kestrel:
B J Conlee:
But I have grown to like his "older" voice on albums like Chaos and Memory Almost Full. He's not just a rocker. A good example is the song "You Tell Me" on MAF. It definitely has Paul's older voice but yet it is one of my favorite songs on the album.
'You Tell Me' is my favourite song from MAF as well. I also like Paul's 'older' voice,which is especially effective on a song like Scared, the stand out track on New in my opinion. Then again, on the new song (which I still think is a mediocre song by Paul's own standards), his vocals sound particularly hoarse and weak, no doubt from recent over use rather than simply the effect of aging. If resting his vocals for a few months would have led to an improved vocal performance then that's what he should have done. Releasing a sub-standard performance when it could have been avoided does his credibility no favours at all. I appreciate that Paul enjoys the adulation and financial rewards that his live concerts bring but personally I really wish he would stop wearing out his voice from simply repeating songs he has sung before and instead save it for his new material,which is far more important.
__________________________________________________________ Kestrel, Great Post. I could not have said it better relative to Paul staying off the road and resting his voice for new material. I also love the song "Scared" which is definitely a forgotten "gem" on NEW. I think his "lower key" vocal on Scared is quite good.