Significance of Title and Artwork for "New"?
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Kittay! Don't let the pundits slow you down. Interestingly enough Cynthia Lennon in her book "John" did something very similar (I'm sure John also played with these numbers) very with dates and house numbers to come up with the number 9 that seemed to pervade John's life. Even though I'm trained in mathematics/computer science and am now a trader on Wall St., I don't believe in numerology, but it's interesting to see when certain numbers tend to show up when least expected. For example, the release of the Beatles remasters on 9/9/2009--coincidence or not?
It could be a coincidence. III could be nothing more than a stylized letter, but thinking of his new marriage as a third stage in his life makes the III imagery on his album all the more interesting and I'm sure based on his interview comments he would like it. Paul doesn't live in the past--he moves on and I'm sure he doesn't see the same "horror" that some groupies here see in the fact that Linda and Heather may be represented in that "III." Oh, the horror! LOL Anyway, Kittay, I like your thoughts whether I agree with them or not. BTW, "nuit" is also the French word for "night" which I'm sure you're aware. Please keep your thoughts coming on the topic as there certainly seems to be more in the artwork than meets the eye. Best, Erik -
Kathryn O:
Eric, PID is a sensitive subject for some of us. PIDers tend to be crazy and mean. I doubt the mods wouldn't let me go into more detail than that but as a result, it makes my hackles raise and me coming out swinging. One group tried to put me in jail to shut me up from countering their supposed clues. That's how demented they are.
Hi Kathryn! Well I obviously am not of the opinion that Paul died back in the 60s LOL and I'm surprised that anyone would still espouse that ridiculous theory, but the clues back on those albums were definitely interesting and The Beatles themselves purposely planted some to perpetrate the myth. E.g. John in Glass Onion "Here's another clue for you all, the walrus was Paul." just to name one. Put you in jail?? Sometimes I feel like I've fallen into the story "Through the Looking Glass" when I post here LOL...obviously I'm sorry to hear that you've had issues with posters here. You seem like a kind person and I appreciate your replies.
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Kathryn O:
Not to attack you, but the subject of relationships and the types some Beatles had in the 60s can get complicated. Just because Jane and Paul were never married does not diminish their relationship at all. Marriage is just a financial arrangement.
Hi again, well I understand what you mean and Paul had serious relationships before and after Jane, but with Linda it was different. He was monogamous, as with Heather as far as I know and with Nancy I assume. So it's really his third major relationship as far as I'm concerned, but certainly not his third relationship. Anyway, you seem like an intelligent woman, what's your take on the artwork?
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I was also intrigued at the idea of the word NEW and the rebirth of the Sun, which I believe is represented in the album art, of the possibility that Paul might think he has known Nancy in a previous life. Like the lyrics: Then we were new, Now we are new. Then as in a previous incarnation, and now as in their present lifetime. Okay that is really it for my 2 cents worth.
Peace & Love! 
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Erik in NJ:
Nancy R:
Erik in NJ:
BTW, anyone find any "Paul is dead" clues on the album?
It's just NEW for his new relationship. Nothing to do with Roman numeral III for his 3rd wife! He would never do that!
You've got to be kidding! What are you, 14? That's how old I was when all that crap first came out and I knew it was ridiculous then.Nancy R, It seems that you fancy yourself the local Macca "know-it-all" as you state your opinions as facts (I didn't like your post re the lyrics of Hosanna..."It's obviously a song about..."). Between that and your condescending comments like "What are you 14?" in response to something I obviously posted as a JOKE--I find your incessant posts adding little to no value to most threads here. Based on your post it would seem that you are in your 60s now and one would expect a bit more from a "senior citizen." "You must have learned something in all those years..."
Listen Erik, first of all, I'm not in my 60's (you obviously can't do the math since I told you how old I was in 1969 when the "Paul is dead" crap came out) And what you first posted here certainly did not sound like a joke. I thought you were serious. I must have missed your LOLs.
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For some reason I was thinking of this discussion today... You know how Paul has the songs 222 and 444? Well I was thinking that New was related to 333 ... you can see the three sets of three. I also think that people have associated numbers and I've always thought that Linda was a 3. I was also thinking that it has to do with three people, two the same and one different because of the colors.
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I think Paul chose New as the title simply because: a) one of the album songs had that title, and b) he can have fun with it being refered to as Paul McCartney's 'new' album, having a similar double-meaning as 'Kisses On The Bottom' had. I doubt Paul intended anything further than that.
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In that Twitter Q&A that Paul did a few months ago, a fan asked: "What was the inspiration for the album artwork?" Paul replied: "At meeting about the album cover someone came up with the logo, another said you could treat it in style of Dan Flavin." http://www.complex.com/art-design/2013/10/paul-mccartney-dan-flavin http://beatlesblogger.com/2013/10/22/the-story-behind-the-cover-art-for-mccartneys-new/
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Erik in NJ:
Nancy R, It seems that you fancy yourself the local Macca "know-it-all" as you state your opinions as facts (I didn't like your post re the lyrics of Hosanna..."It's obviously a song about..."). Between that and your condescending comments like "What are you 14?" in response to something I obviously posted as a JOKE--I find your incessant posts adding little to no value to most threads here. Based on your post it would seem that you are in your 60s now and one would expect a bit more from a "senior citizen." "You must have learned something in all those years..."
Wow Eric... First off, Nancy R does know quite a bit about Paul and the Beatles... I have to agree with her on the subject that I don't think there is any connection whatsoever, between 3 and and Nancy being Paul's third wife... Also, no need for the negative senior citizen comment... after all, Paul too, is a senior citizen... although the way he runs around, I never think of him as a "senior citizen" with all of the associated OLD connotations! Quite to the contrary... Thirdly, I personally enjoy Nancy's immense wealth of knowledge on this board... Just a suggestion, skip the comments of those you don't care to read... No personal jabs necessary... kumbaya 
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Nancy knows her stuff! ... I'm a fan.
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Erik in NJ:
Kathryn O:
Eric, PID is a sensitive subject for some of us. PIDers tend to be crazy and mean. I doubt the mods wouldn't let me go into more detail than that but as a result, it makes my hackles raise and me coming out swinging. One group tried to put me in jail to shut me up from countering their supposed clues. That's how demented they are.
Hi Kathryn! Well I obviously am not of the opinion that Paul died back in the 60s LOL and I'm surprised that anyone would still espouse that ridiculous theory, but the clues back on those albums were definitely interesting and The Beatles themselves purposely planted some to perpetrate the myth. E.g. John in Glass Onion "Here's another clue for you all, the walrus was Paul." just to name one. Put you in jail?? Sometimes I feel like I've fallen into the story "Through the Looking Glass" when I post here LOL...obviously I'm sorry to hear that you've had issues with posters here. You seem like a kind person and I appreciate your replies.
The way I take the PID thing is by way of following Paul's example...he doesn't take it serious and in fact takes a poke back at it (all in fun - check out the cover of the Paul is Live album and listen to how many times he dead pans 'I'm not really dead'...thus I have fun with it I understand your point that yeah, there are people who seem crazy and do buy into that stuff...but my issue is more so directed at those people and not so much the hoax itself As far as what this has to do with New...in reality nothing. But I can appreciate the humor that someone expresses in terms of comparing all this 'sign interpretation to looking for PID clues
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Nancy R:
Erik in NJ:
BTW, anyone find any "Paul is dead" clues on the album?
Listen Erik, first of all, I'm not in my 60's (you obviously can't do the math since I told you how old I was in 1969 when the "Paul is dead" crap came out) And what you first posted here certainly did not sound like a joke. I thought you were serious. I must have missed your LOLs.
Well I would have thought that a self-annointed queen of all things Macca, not to mention, the Beatles, would be aware that the clues started to appear in 1967 on Sgt. Pepper. Maybe it took the cluesters till 1969 to put it all together with the cover of Abbey Road (I don't know, I was too young at the time to know or care)--or is it your take that they just happened to be dressed like that out of sheer coincidence? Doing the math 2014-(1967/1969-14) makes you pretty darn close to 60 (not that there's anything wrong with that!!). My point was that with your supposed level of maturity, one would expect not to be attacked by your ascerbic posts (including even the one referenced here). I know it was easy to miss the TWO smiley faces I put after my comment regarding finding clues on "New"
and even if I didn't put smileys there was no justification for your comment "What, are you 14?" and "I knew it was all crap." I have to laugh at the way you dismissed my suggestion re the artwork ("Paul would never do that!") almost as if you know the man personally. You've been to what, 5 concerts? The fact is you know Macca about as well as I do--nothing more or nothing less than a fan and that's all. You have no idea what Paul would or wouldn't do, either that or I must personally know Pink Floyd, The Who, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, CSN, and a bunch of other musicians REALLY well! Anyway, part of your clique suggested I just ignore posts I don't like--being as I did not attack the content of your posts I suggest that perhaps you do the same. According to the forums rules attacks on other members are not allowed and I'm a bit suprised that the moderators chose not to remove your posts, but whatever...it's not my forum. I just came here to try and talk to other fans a bit about Macca and the Beatles and I can't say that I'm terribly impressed by my warm welcome or the "general" level of Beatles knowledge here. It seems to be more about posturing re "I'm the biggest Macca fan in the world!" "No, I am.", fan letters to Paul which he will never see, and picking a song/album of the day. Oh well, Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da as they say ... I'm off to look for more "Paul is dead" clues on the album NEW! LOL (N.B to Nancy that the "LOL" means I was JOKING, the N.B. means "note well"!) -
rich n:
The way I take the PID thing is by way of following Paul's example...he doesn't take it serious and in fact takes a poke back at it (all in fun - check out the cover of the Paul is Live album and listen to how many times he dead pans 'I'm not really dead'...thus I have fun with it I understand your point that yeah, there are people who seem crazy and do buy into that stuff...but my issue is more so directed at those people and not so much the hoax itself As far as what this has to do with New...in reality nothing. But I can appreciate the humor that someone expresses in terms of comparing all this 'sign interpretation to looking for PID clues
Hi Rich! Wow, the voice of reason!
Although I know a lot about it, I don't claim to know the entire history behind the "Paul is dead" thing and its origin--it's quite interesting with, as Paul would say, "some spooky coincidences." I'm guessing that they did not consciously start the hoax, but they certainly had their fun with it! E.g. On the White album: - backwards "Paul is a dead man, miss him, miss, him, miss him" - "number nine" backwards as "turn me on dead man" .... this may just be a spooky coincidence....IDK - "here's another clue for you all, the walrus was Paul" On Magical Mystery Tour: - "I buried Paul" (no it was not "cranberry sauce" despite what Lennon said to make it more enticing) On Abbey Road: - The cover of course and possibly some of the lyrics to "Come Together" - I think Lennon had more fun with it, but Paul designed the cover for Abbey Road, so they all had a hand in it. Fun stuff and interesting too! I didn't know about what you mentioned on the "Paul is Live" album! Thanks! Yes, the comment about "Paul is dead" clues on NEW, when I said it, was obviously said to make people smile Heck, I thought it was pretty funny! I'm not sure why anyone would take this stuff seriously....the Beatles all had/have good senses of humor and they must have had a blast with it. I can just imagine Paul's face when Lennon said something like "oy, get this mate, those freaks now think you're dead--let's f*** with their heads a bit!" But then again, you never know, Paul may just REALLY have been replaced by the indefatigable Billy Shears! LOL!!! (theme from the Twilight Zone playing...) -
Erik in NJ:
Nancy R:
Erik in NJ:
BTW, anyone find any "Paul is dead" clues on the album?
Listen Erik, first of all, I'm not in my 60's (you obviously can't do the math since I told you how old I was in 1969 when the "Paul is dead" crap came out) And what you first posted here certainly did not sound like a joke. I thought you were serious. I must have missed your LOLs.
Well I would have thought that a self-annointed queen of all things Macca, not to mention, the Beatles, would be aware that the clues started to appear in 1967 on Sgt. Pepper. Maybe it took the cluesters till 1969 to put it all together with the cover of Abbey Road (I don't know, I was too young at the time to know or care)--or it it your take that they just happened to be dressed like that out of sheer coincidence? Doing the math 2014-(1967/1969-14) makes you pretty darn close to 60 (not that there's anything wrong with that). My point was that with your supposed level of maturity, one would expect not to be attacked by your ascerbic posts (including even the one referenced here). I know it was easy to miss the TWO smiley faces I put after my comment regarding finding clues on "New"
and even if I didn't put smileys there was no justification for your comment "What, are you 14?" and "I knew it was all crap." I have to laugh at the way you dismissed my suggestion re the artwork ("Paul would never do that!") almost as if you know the man personally. You've been to what, 5 concerts? The fact is you know Macca about as well as I do--nothing more or nothing less than a fan and that's all. You have no idea what Paul would or wouldn't do, either that or I must personally know Pink Floyd, The Who, Neil Young, Eric Clapton, CSN, and a bunch of other musicians REALLY well! Anyway, part of your clique suggested I just ignore posts I don't like--being as I did not attack the content of your posts I suggest that perhaps you do the same. According to the forums rules attacks on other members are not allowed and I'm a bit suprised that the moderators chose not to remove your posts, but whatever...it's not my forum. I just came here to try and talk to other fans a bit about Macca and the Beatles and I can't say that I'm terribly impressed by my warm welcome or the "general" level of Beatles knowledge here. It seems to be more about posturing re "I'm the biggest Macca fan in the world!" "No, I am.", fan letters to Paul which he will never see, and picking a song/album of the day. Oh well, Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da as they say ... I'm off to look for more "Paul is dead" clues on the album NEW! LOL (N.B to Nancy that the "LOL" means I was JOKING, the N.B. means "note well"!)Most of what you said I'm not going to reply to. I do want to let you know that the "Paul is Dead" business did not come out until 1969. I lived through it as I was 14 and in 9th grade. Life magazine even sent 2 guys out to Paul's farm in Scotland and took a photo of Paul, Linda and baby Mary. I have the magazine. Yes, then everybody started looking at older albums for clues since Paul supposedly died in 1966 and was replaced. As far as how the Beatles were dressed on the cover of Abbey Road, that was the way they usually dressed at that time (John in all white, Ringo & Paul in suits and George in jeans) for photo shoots, etc. And what does the number of concerts a person has been to have anything to do with how much they know about Paul or the Beatles? I've had 50 years of reading and hearing about them, and talking to their close associates like Tony Bramwell, Laurence Juber, Joey Molland, Mark Hudson and Pete Best to name a few. You will come back and say I'm bragging, but I'm just trying to give you some idea of what my level of knowledge is. P.S. And I'm not stupid. I know what LOL and NB means. As the saying goes, I think a person living in a glass house should not throw stones. Kathryn O, love2travel & toris, Thank you for your support.
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Erik in NJ:
rich n:
The way I take the PID thing is by way of following Paul's example...he doesn't take it serious and in fact takes a poke back at it (all in fun - check out the cover of the Paul is Live album and listen to how many times he dead pans 'I'm not really dead'...thus I have fun with it I understand your point that yeah, there are people who seem crazy and do buy into that stuff...but my issue is more so directed at those people and not so much the hoax itself As far as what this has to do with New...in reality nothing. But I can appreciate the humor that someone expresses in terms of comparing all this 'sign interpretation to looking for PID clues
Hi Rich! Wow, the voice of reason!
Although I know a lot about it, I don't claim to know the entire history behind the "Paul is dead" thing and its origin--it's quite interesting with, as Paul would say, "some spooky coincidences." I'm guessing that they did not consciously start the hoax, but they certainly had their fun with it! E.g. On the White album: - backwards "Paul is a dead man, miss him, miss, him, miss him" - "number nine" backwards as "turn me on dead man" .... this may just be a spooky coincidence....IDK - "here's another clue for you all, the walrus was Paul" On Magical Mystery Tour: - "I buried Paul" (no it was not "cranberry sauce" despite what Lennon said to make it more enticing) On Abbey Road: - The cover of course and possibly some of the lyrics to "Come Together" - I think Lennon had more fun with it, but Paul designed the cover for Abbey Road, so they all had a hand in it. Fun stuff and interesting too! I didn't know about what you mentioned on the "Paul is Live" album! Thanks! Yes, the comment about "Paul is dead" clues on NEW, when I said it, was obviously said to make people smile Heck, I thought it was pretty funny! I'm not sure why anyone would take this stuff seriously....the Beatles all had/have good senses of humor and they must have had a blast with it. I can just imagine Paul's face when Lennon said something like "oy, get this mate, those freaks now think you're dead--let's f*** with their heads a bit!" But then again, you never know, Paul may just REALLY have been replaced by the indefatigable Billy Shears! LOL!!! (theme from the Twilight Zone playing...)I think Sgt Pepper was the first album to supposedly hold 'clues'...btw, the inspiration apparently stems from an actually experience- Paul's moped accident in 1966, where he lost a tooth and required stitches on his upper lip...the claim was that he was actually killed in that accident
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Nancy, The problem I have is not with your supposed knowledge of things (although I do find your statement of that's how they normally dressed for photo shoots at the time a bit laughable), but that you express your opinion as though it were fact and when I express my opinion (which by the way is always tempered) you launch these ascerbic retorts. Yes, I am very impressed with the Beatles insiders that you have met at Beatlefests and other such venues
If you'd included Martin, Parsons, Emerick, Epstein, or Klein I would have been super impressed, but I digress. I bow to your incredible knowledge of all things Beatle and am humbled my dear lady! I await your own book with baited breath 
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rich n:
I think Sgt Pepper was the first album to supposedly hold 'clues'...btw, the inspiration apparently stems from an actually experience- Paul's moped accident in 1966, where he lost a tooth and required stitches on his upper lip...the claim was that he was actually killed in that accident
Rich, that accident happened in Liverpool on Dec. 26, 1965 and Paul only chipped his left front tooth. It's visible as late as May 1966 during the promotional films for Paperback Writer and Rain. I don't know why he hadn't had it fixed yet. Here's the photo Paul insisted his brother Mike take after the accident: (my info comes from Mike's book The Macs)
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Hi again Rich! Yes, as far as I know there were clues on Sgt. Pepper, lots of them that I recall: "OPD" ("Officially Pronounced Dead" on Paul's shoulder--it turns out it was actially OPP for Ontario Provincial Police.) Paul's knees being pulled up on the inside of the gatefold album. On the back cover, Paul's back towards us. The coolest "spooky" clue was if you cut "Lonely Hearts" in half with a mirror, it would read "One He Die" Though I believe all of these early "clues" were just coincidence. The Beatles got wind of what the cluesters were starting to "see" and started dropping their own clues starting with MMT and the White Album mostly culminating with the cover of Abbey Road of course. I don't recall now, but I believe Let It Be was relatively devoid of clues.........until........NEW!!! The cluesters believed "he blew his mind out in a car" man....
LOL I think the story went that he'd picked up Lovely Rita while she was hitchhiking and she recognized it was Paul driving and she got so excited that she distracted his driving... If you called a number secretly hidden on MMT at the time stated in She's Leaving Home (I'm assuming GMT) and asked for "Billy Shears" the person aswering the phone would say "he's not here, but you're getting hot Jack!" LOL Some of this stuff was hilarious and sure made for interesting entertainment! -
Nancy R:
Most of what you said I'm not going to reply to. I do want to let you know that the "Paul is Dead" business did not come out until 1969. I lived through it as I was 14 and in 9th grade. Life magazine even sent 2 guys out to Paul's farm in Scotland and took a photo of Paul, Linda and baby Mary. I have the magazine. Yes, then everybody started looking at older albums for clues since Paul supposedly died in 1966 and was replaced. As far as how the Beatles were dressed on the cover of Abbey Road, that was the way they usually dressed at that time (John in all white, Ringo & Paul in suits and George in jeans) for photo shoots, etc. And what does the number of concerts a person has been to have anything to do with how much they know about Paul or the Beatles? I've had 50 years of reading and hearing about them, and talking to their close associates like Tony Bramwell, Laurence Juber, Joey Molland, Mark Hudson and Pete Best to name a few. You will come back and say I'm bragging, but I'm just trying to give you some idea of what my level of knowledge is. P.S. And I'm not stupid. I know what LOL and NB means. As the saying goes, I think a person living in a glass house should not throw stones. Kathryn O, love2travel & toris, Thank you for your support.
You go girl!
Wow...just wow. I have no idea what half of this has to do with Paul's new album NEW. So let's leave all the PID stuff for all the numerous previous threads on it. And I agree with Nancy that it doesn't matter how old you are or how many concerts you have been to...we are all McCartney fans. 
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oobu24:
Nancy R:
Most of what you said I'm not going to reply to. I do want to let you know that the "Paul is Dead" business did not come out until 1969. I lived through it as I was 14 and in 9th grade. Life magazine even sent 2 guys out to Paul's farm in Scotland and took a photo of Paul, Linda and baby Mary. I have the magazine. Yes, then everybody started looking at older albums for clues since Paul supposedly died in 1966 and was replaced. As far as how the Beatles were dressed on the cover of Abbey Road, that was the way they usually dressed at that time (John in all white, Ringo & Paul in suits and George in jeans) for photo shoots, etc. And what does the number of concerts a person has been to have anything to do with how much they know about Paul or the Beatles? I've had 50 years of reading and hearing about them, and talking to their close associates like Tony Bramwell, Laurence Juber, Joey Molland, Mark Hudson and Pete Best to name a few. You will come back and say I'm bragging, but I'm just trying to give you some idea of what my level of knowledge is. P.S. And I'm not stupid. I know what LOL and NB means. As the saying goes, I think a person living in a glass house should not throw stones. Kathryn O, love2travel & toris, Thank you for your support.
You go girl!
Wow...just wow. I have no idea what half of this has to do with Paul's new album NEW. So let's leave all the PID stuff for all the numerous previous threads on it. And I agree with Nancy that it doesn't matter how old you are or how many concerts you have been to...we are all McCartney fans. 
