2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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Adam K:
While a Paul McCartney concert is always special no matter what, I'm a little annoyed that his setlist is barely different from when I saw him last year at MetLife Stadium. I'm seeing him again at Madison Square Garden this weekend and I was hoping he would have changed things up by now. Comparing the MetLife show and the Newark show, the only differences is that he's dropped "Fool on the Hill" and "Here There and Everywhere" in favor of "I Wanna Be Your Man" and "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)", neither of which really excites me. It's odd that he isn't doing any Flowers In the Dirt songs to promote his latest reissue. "My Brave Face" would be a welcome addition to the set. It also would have made sense to add some other Sgt. Pepper songs with the box set out. I don't think he's played "Getting Better" or "She's Leaving Home" in a long time. He's still doing three songs from New when that album is nearly four years old. And while I don't dislike "FourFiveSeconds" as much as some fans do, it's just awkward to see Paul singing a song that was arranged for Rihanna. Like I said, any Paul McCartney concert is a special event but his catalog is huge. There's no need to be playing the same songs. I mean I get keeping the likes of "Let It Be", "Hey Jude", "Yesterday", "Live and Let Die", "Band on the Run", and the Abbey Road medley but other than those, he shouldn't be so hesitant to change it up, especially when he's doing songs that aren't even that popular like "Temporary Secretary" or "Letting Go" which are great to hear for the serious fan but shouldn't be mainstays.
Welcome to the club, a number of us have been saying the same thing for many years. Like you said, you understand the classic Beatle songs having to be played but it is the other 10-12 songs that really should be shaken up.
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yankeefan7:
Adam K:
While a Paul McCartney concert is always special no matter what, I'm a little annoyed that his setlist is barely different from when I saw him last year at MetLife Stadium. I'm seeing him again at Madison Square Garden this weekend and I was hoping he would have changed things up by now. Comparing the MetLife show and the Newark show, the only differences is that he's dropped "Fool on the Hill" and "Here There and Everywhere" in favor of "I Wanna Be Your Man" and "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)", neither of which really excites me. It's odd that he isn't doing any Flowers In the Dirt songs to promote his latest reissue. "My Brave Face" would be a welcome addition to the set. It also would have made sense to add some other Sgt. Pepper songs with the box set out. I don't think he's played "Getting Better" or "She's Leaving Home" in a long time. He's still doing three songs from New when that album is nearly four years old. And while I don't dislike "FourFiveSeconds" as much as some fans do, it's just awkward to see Paul singing a song that was arranged for Rihanna. Like I said, any Paul McCartney concert is a special event but his catalog is huge. There's no need to be playing the same songs. I mean I get keeping the likes of "Let It Be", "Hey Jude", "Yesterday", "Live and Let Die", "Band on the Run", and the Abbey Road medley but other than those, he shouldn't be so hesitant to change it up, especially when he's doing songs that aren't even that popular like "Temporary Secretary" or "Letting Go" which are great to hear for the serious fan but shouldn't be mainstays.
Welcome to the club, a number of us have been saying the same thing for many years. Like you said, you understand the classic Beatle songs having to be played but it is the other 10-12 songs that really should be shaken up.
_________________________________________________________ Adam, You hit the nail right on the head. Yankeefan, Bruce, myself (and others) have been saying this (on this thread) for well over a year. I don't think Paul has any idea what the "true fans" would like to hear in a setlist. And I'm not talking about the obligatory signature songs or obscure, tertiary type of solo/Wings songs. Paul and his Marketing team have devised his shows for the casual fans and 1st timers. Unfortunately the "true" fans who have always bought his Post Beatles' albums get hurt in the process. After seeing the same setlist for the Newark shows, I'm just so glad I didn't buy a ticket or two for this leg. After watching the periscope videos, I have to say that with the exception of the "acoustic" section which is quite good along with Hard Days' Night as the opener, the rest of the show falls flat for a serious fan like me. Knowing full well that he has to play the 10-12 real signature songs (which I don't mind) it is the rest of the choices where I'm really disappointed. They are either the non-signature songs that he has way, way overplayed (perfect example is Let Me Roll It) or the recent additions (4-5 Seconds, Temporary Temporary, I Wanna Be Your Man and a few others) that makes One-On-One his weakest Setlist yet in my opinion. I have been to all his tours except Wings Over America. For those in favor of a very heavy Beatles' Setlist, Paul and Team even found a way to ruin the Seargent Pepper songs to coincide with the 50th Anniversary. To have Mr. Kite and the title song reprise as the lone representatives from this great album is a joke. Anyone of these songs - Getting Better, She's Leaving Home, Lovely Rita, When I'm 64, A Day in the Life and a couple others would have been far better. I love the "Man" and his energy at 75 is remarkable, but the show for the serious fans like us could be so, so much better. I am happy for the casual fans especially those who have never seen him (or only once). It is a good show for that segment of the audience.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
Adam K:
While a Paul McCartney concert is always special no matter what, I'm a little annoyed that his setlist is barely different from when I saw him last year at MetLife Stadium. I'm seeing him again at Madison Square Garden this weekend and I was hoping he would have changed things up by now. Comparing the MetLife show and the Newark show, the only differences is that he's dropped "Fool on the Hill" and "Here There and Everywhere" in favor of "I Wanna Be Your Man" and "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)", neither of which really excites me. It's odd that he isn't doing any Flowers In the Dirt songs to promote his latest reissue. "My Brave Face" would be a welcome addition to the set. It also would have made sense to add some other Sgt. Pepper songs with the box set out. I don't think he's played "Getting Better" or "She's Leaving Home" in a long time. He's still doing three songs from New when that album is nearly four years old. And while I don't dislike "FourFiveSeconds" as much as some fans do, it's just awkward to see Paul singing a song that was arranged for Rihanna. Like I said, any Paul McCartney concert is a special event but his catalog is huge. There's no need to be playing the same songs. I mean I get keeping the likes of "Let It Be", "Hey Jude", "Yesterday", "Live and Let Die", "Band on the Run", and the Abbey Road medley but other than those, he shouldn't be so hesitant to change it up, especially when he's doing songs that aren't even that popular like "Temporary Secretary" or "Letting Go" which are great to hear for the serious fan but shouldn't be mainstays.
Welcome to the club, a number of us have been saying the same thing for many years. Like you said, you understand the classic Beatle songs having to be played but it is the other 10-12 songs that really should be shaken up.
_________________________________________________________ Adam, You hit the nail right on the head. Yankeefan, Bruce, myself (and others) have been saying this (on this thread) for well over a year. I don't think Paul has any idea what the "true fans" would like to hear in a setlist. And I'm not talking about the obligatory signature songs or obscure, tertiary type of solo/Wings songs. Paul and his Marketing team have devised his shows for the casual fans and 1st timers. Unfortunately the "true" fans who have always bought his Post Beatles' albums get hurt in the process. After seeing the same setlist for the Newark shows, I'm just so glad I didn't buy a ticket or two for this leg. After watching the periscope videos, I have to say that with the exception of the "acoustic" section which is quite good along with Hard Days' Night as the opener, the rest of the show falls flat for a serious fan like me. Knowing full well that he has to play the 10-12 real signature songs (which I don't mind) it is the rest of the choices where I'm really disappointed. They are either the non-signature songs that he has way, way overplayed (perfect example is Let Me Roll It) or the recent additions (4-5 Seconds, Temporary Temporary, I Wanna Be Your Man and a few others) that makes One-On-One his weakest Setlist yet in my opinion. I have been to all his tours except Wings Over America. For those in favor of a very heavy Beatles' Setlist, Paul and Team even found a way to ruin the Seargent Pepper songs to coincide with the 50th Anniversary. To have Mr. Kite and the title song reprise as the lone representatives from this great album is a joke. Anyone of these songs - Getting Better, She's Leaving Home, Lovely Rita, When I'm 64, A Day in the Life and a couple others would have been far better. I love the "Man" and his energy at 75 is remarkable, but the show for the serious fans like us could be so, so much better. I am happy for the casual fans especially those who have never seen him (or only once). It is a good show for that segment of the audience.
The Newark Star Ledger review said the setlist was basically identical to the one he played at Metlife Stadium in August 2016 - lol.
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Here's the height of my expectations...anything crazier than this and I'll need to be scooped off the floor... 1. Venus and Mars/Rock Show 2. Jet 3. A Hard Day's Night (He's quite proud of it so I don't think it'll just disappear.) 4. Junior's Farm 5. Listen To What The Man Said 6. Let Me Roll It 7. I've Got a Feeling 8. My Valentine 9. 1985 10. Maybe I'm Amazed 11. We Can Work it Out 12. In Spite of All The Danger 13. You Won't See Me 14. Love Me Do 15. Every Night 16. Blackbird 17. Here Today 18. Queenie Eye 19. New 20. Lady Madonna 21. Eleanor Rigby 22. Four Five Seconds 23. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite! 24. Something 25. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da 26. Back in The USSR 27. Band on The Run 28. Let it Be 29. Live and Let Die 30. Hey Jude ENCORE 31. Hi, Hi, Hi 32. I Saw Her Standing There (w/ Billy Joel) 33. Sgt. Pepper's Reprise (w/ Billy Joel) 34. A Day in The Life (w/ Billy Joel) 35. Give Peace a Chance ENCORE 36. Yesterday 37. Helter Skelter 38. Golden Slumbers 39. Carry That Weight 40. The End
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I see it more likely he will pull a Rotterdam '12 and put 'Venus And Mars' in the third or fourth song slot. But his choices never really make sense, so I'm afraid you guys will only be saddled with Billy Joel shouting through the predictable songs.
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nobodytoldme:
I see it more likely he will pull a Rotterdam '12 and put 'Venus And Mars' in the third or fourth song slot. But his choices never really make sense, so I'm afraid you guys will only be saddled with Billy Joel shouting through the predictable songs.
Like I said in another post, is having Billy Joel as a special guest that big of a deal anymore. It has been done several times before and they would probably play the same songs. In addition, Bill Joel is doing his monthly gig at the Garden so who the heck in the area has not seen him - lol.
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yankeefan7:
nobodytoldme:
I see it more likely he will pull a Rotterdam '12 and put 'Venus And Mars' in the third or fourth song slot. But his choices never really make sense, so I'm afraid you guys will only be saddled with Billy Joel shouting through the predictable songs.
Like I said in another post, is having Billy Joel as a special guest that big of a deal anymore. It has been done several times before and they would probably play the same songs. In addition, Bill Joel is doing his monthly gig at the Garden so who the heck in the area has not seen him - lol.
Not to me at all, I'm not American, haha! Very predictable, boring, and so on.
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At least there has been some deviation in the fifth slot with LISTEN TO WHAT THE MAN SAID, ALL MY LOVING and GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE. Graphics for GTGYIML were from Beatkes Rockband as debut in 2009. Thinking MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR is next.
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puppywhimpers:
At least there has been some deviation in the fifth slot with LISTEN TO WHAT THE MAN SAID, ALL MY LOVING and GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE. Graphics for GTGYIML were from Beatkes Rockband as debut in 2009. Thinking MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR is next.
or perhaps Eight Days A Week
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Brooklyn tonight. Just 4 years since the last show at the same venue. McCartney is going in circles to avoid having to rehearse, and is now at the 2011-2013 additions. A recent show had 'Junior's Farm', 'All My Loving' and 'Listen To What the Man Said' as song 2-4. Sounds familiar? ... 30 of the 38 songs he played back then, he still performs during this run, and he only dropped these: Eight Days a Week Paperback Writer The Long and Winding Road Another Day Your Mother Should Know All Together Now Lovely Rita Mrs. Vandebilt Songs now added not done then, compared to MSG night 1: A Hard Day's Night (new this tour) You Won't See Me (new this tour) Love Me Do (new this tour) FourFiveSeconds (new-ish this tour) I Wanna Be Your Man (new this tour) - Can't Buy Me Love (2002-2003, 2009, 2015-now) Jet (2002-2013, ish) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) (2002-2011) I've Got a Feeling (2004-2013) In Spite of All the Danger (2004-2005) Queenie Eye (2013-now) New (2013-now) A Day in the Life / Give Peace A Chance (2008-2013) Will this be the moment either McCartney changes it up or the press changes its tune? Looking at the previous run I guess neither will happen.
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If he's willing to bring back songs from previous tours, how about the ones performed in 2002-2005? Getting Better, She's Leaving Home, She's A Woman, Fixing A Hole, For No One, Please Please Me, I'll Get You, etc. Not to mention solo songs like Too Many People, Calico Skies and others.
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5th-beatle:
If he's willing to bring back songs from previous tours, how about the ones performed in 2002-2005? Getting Better, She's Leaving Home, She's A Woman, Fixing A Hole, For No One, Please Please Me, I'll Get You, etc. Not to mention solo songs like Too Many People, Calico Skies and others.
He can't sing "She's Leaving Home" anymore. All of those other songs are very possible however, it seems unlikely he'll bring back any other Sgt. Pepper tunes since this summer was the opportune time to do it and he seemed to think that adding the one minute reprise version of the title track was enough. Once he starts a new tour, I could totally see "She's a Woman", "I'll Get You", and "Please, Please Me" coming into the opening electric set. The others seem less likely.
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I found it exciting he performed "Listen To What The Man Said" from Wings. Something new, too, wasn't it? Would be very moving to hear "Here, There and Everywhere" and "Fool On the Hill" again, in concert. Also the dramatic, warm, poignant numbers in which he shows a lot of heart. In which he's missing someone, hoping he will see them again, such as "The Long and Winding Road" written when he was very young and yet still could break out of the big rock/pop star wild hedonist thing of mainly just wanting a lot of chicks and thrills in a bit of a hard hearted way, the young can be a bit hard hearted...he really showed deep feeling and soul in "Let It Be," for example, way beyond his years, at that time.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
I found it exciting he performed "Listen To What The Man Said" from Wings. Something new, too, wasn't it? Would be very moving to hear "Here, There and Everywhere" and "Fool On the Hill" again, in concert. Also the dramatic, warm, poignant numbers in which he shows a lot of heart. In which he's missing someone, hoping he will see them again, such as "The Long and Winding Road" written when he was very young and yet still could break out of the big rock/pop star wild hedonist thing of mainly just wanting a lot of chicks and thrills in a bit of a hard hearted way, the young can be a bit hard hearted...he really showed deep feeling and soul in "Let It Be," for example, way beyond his years, at that time.
LTWTMS is not a "new" addition, but, it was the first time it was played since 2015.
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nobodytoldme:
Brooklyn tonight. Just 4 years since the last show at the same venue. McCartney is going in circles to avoid having to rehearse, and is now at the 2011-2013 additions. A recent show had 'Junior's Farm', 'All My Loving' and 'Listen To What the Man Said' as song 2-4. Sounds familiar? ... 30 of the 38 songs he played back then, he still performs during this run, and he only dropped these: Eight Days a Week Paperback Writer The Long and Winding Road Another Day Your Mother Should Know All Together Now Lovely Rita Mrs. Vandebilt Songs now added not done then, compared to MSG night 1: A Hard Day's Night (new this tour) You Won't See Me (new this tour) Love Me Do (new this tour) FourFiveSeconds (new-ish this tour) I Wanna Be Your Man (new this tour) - Can't Buy Me Love (2002-2003, 2009, 2015-now) Jet (2002-2013, ish) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) (2002-2011) I've Got a Feeling (2004-2013) In Spite of All the Danger (2004-2005) Queenie Eye (2013-now) New (2013-now) A Day in the Life / Give Peace A Chance (2008-2013) Will this be the moment either McCartney changes it up or the press changes its tune? Looking at the previous run I guess neither will happen.
I guess his version of "minty fresh" (lol) is just replacing a few songs and doing some he had done on previous tours instead of actually doing some songs he has never performed live. I was really hoping for everyone on this leg of the tour that new album was ready and he would play some of it - oh well.
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In a brief conversation with a very nice person (Rubber Soul13) about the Syracuse Show and the setlist, it just occurred to me what the term "deep tracks" means and has become as it relates to Paul McCartney shows and his songwriting career. Sadly, virtually "ALL" of Paul's songs from Tug of War onward would now be considered "deep tracks". As a big time fan, I never thought of it that way but Paul himself has contributed mightily to his present musical legacy. Paul is basically known as the truly talented ex Beatle and key contributor to so many Beatle classics along with a few big Wings' hits. Most artists could only dream of having that as your legacy but you would think Paul would want more. After all, he has never stopped writing songs for like 50 years after the Beatles disbanded. If you look at an album like Tug of War (highly successful by any standard) I normally would consider songs like Ballroom Dancing or Somebody Who Cares as "deep tracks". But in reality, now even the cornerstone songs to the album like Wanderlust, Take It Away and the title cut are virtually "deep tracks". Maybe a better example is Flowers in the Dirt. In the past, I would consider songs like Distractions, Motor of Love, and You Want Her Too as "deeper tracks". But the cornerstone songs from Flowers like My Brave Face, Put it There, We Got Married, This One, Figure of Eight, That Day is Done etc. would all, unfortunately, be considered by music critics as "Deep Tracks". I look at critically acclaimed Paul albums like Tug, Flowers, Flaming Pie, Chaos, and Memory Almost Full as all perfect examples of albums that had great songs (Beatle worthy) and even garnered multiple Grammy awards and nominations. Sadly, all the cornerstone and great songs from these albums have become "deep tracks" and not anything close to signature McCartney songs like I believe they should be. As I said above, Paul has not helped himself relative to just how "unknown" these albums and songs are now to the masses especially to the millions who are casual to hard core "Beatle" fans. With all of the touring that Paul has done, he never plays these cornerstone songs from great Solo albums. Just because he currently plays 4-5 Seconds and Temporary Secretary doesn't truly mean that his current Setlist provides a "career retrospective" to McCarney complete Catalog. That is a false narrative in my opinion when he skips so much of his different eras. It is strictly a talking point when he or the reviews say "he plays old songs, new songs and some in between. With the exception of Here Today (from Tug of War) that was written for John, he totally ignores great songs from the albums I've listed above. That is truly sad for Paul's legacy and for the big time fans who love all of his songwriting eras. For someone like me, it basically stopped me from attending his shows because of all the duplication. Like Yankeefan and I have said, we are not being greedy as fans. We have no problem and understand why Paul has to play the Beatle and Wings' hits and signature songs. But why he doesn't play 6-8 songs from the albums I mentioned above (different ones with each tour) just leaves me scratching my head. You would think that Paul himself would want people to remember his entire career. After seeing Paul's setlist on this latest One-on-One leg, I have given up and frankly weary of the discussion. I also can't argue with success. Paul just broke the all time "gross sales" record for the Carrier Dome in Syracuse (35K plus in attendance). Yes, for the casual Beatle fans and first timers. Paul puts on a great show and the numbers point it out. You can't beat a successful formula so why change anything. That is Paul's and his Marketing Team's position on the subject. But for big time true fans and more importantly for Paul's own legacy, I don't think Paul helps himself. He can still play plenty of Beatle hits and a few Wings' standards but why not expose his audience to just a half dozen of "great" Solo songs from great Solo albums (not just substandard deep cuts like 4-5 Seconds, Temporary Secretary, and I Wanna Be Your Man). Again, I'm happy for the first timers who have never seen the "Man". But at the same time, as a huge fan of his total career, I expected more. I'm glad I didn't spend that kind of money for a pair of tickets. Not hearing songs like My Brave Face, Put it There, Little Willow, Beautiful Night etc. etc. would have disappointed me as I was hearing so many of the same non-signature, recycled songs that I have already heard "live" since 2002.
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Dead horse officially beaten!
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Nancy R:
Dead horse officially beaten!
_________________________________________________________ Agreed. Might be my last post on the subject. I have given up.
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
Dead horse officially beaten!
_________________________________________________________ Agreed. Might be my last post on the subject. I have given up.
Me too !!