2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Turk Thrust:
B J Conlee:
Good discussions and many of the arguments (even if I disagree) are good ones. There is one question that keeps popping in my head in summary: Why should Paul "****ing" McCartney even be concerned if he plays a good quality (but relatively unknown) song that many in the audience aren't lighting up their phones, going crazy with applause or leave for a beer. Based on his Setlist, the audience will surely come back within a song or two when a "known" Beatle or Wings' song returns. For what Paul has done in his career or for the many great songs he has written, that shouldn't worry him at all. Many artists in Paul's category (Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, Neil Young) do it all the time in their setlists. They have no problem playing their "deep" songs because they're more concerned about their songs being heard (and their true fans) than the reaction of the "casual" audience. Another thing that keeps coming back to me is that to "add" songs (particularly ones that they haven't done before) does take work and it just seems like Paul doesn't have the motivation to do it. I get that Paul is closing in on 75 and he surely doesn't have the energy he used to but he doesn't have to do it all himself. I'm not suggesting that Paul becomes a workaholic at 75. He has great musicians in his band. Just give them a short list of great songs he hasn't done before (or this band hasn't done before) each year and tell them to be ready to play them. Paul doesn't even have to play the key guitar or piano parts (like he has Rusty play on "And I love her"). The key is to just "introduce" some great songs (even if only 4 each year) never played live before. Obviously, he has pretty much exhausted his Beatle catalog but you would think that his great Solo songs would be what he wants to introduce anyway. Again, Paul doesn't have to do it all himself. What do they constantly say about a great business manager...delegate, delegate, delegate. I recently saw a thing on U-tube titled Lennon or McCartney. In the rather lengthy video, the moderator was interviewing many musicians (some were groups), actors celebrities etc. The moderator's purpose was to get they're reaction without much thought...who was the best Lennon or McCartney. I expected John to win for a couple of reasons not the least being how John tragically died. While John did win, I was surprise how Paul did relatively well and garnered many votes. Many were hesitating with their answers and from a "music" perspecitve (over lyrics or politics) were giving Paul the edge. But what did surprise me was just how many musicians/actors etc. were slamming Paul's solo career. Part of the reason was that the moderator himself was not a Paul Solo fan whatsoever and was "leading" them to put down Paul's songs in general since the 80's. Even so, the negativity about Paul after Wings did really surprise me. But when you get down to it, much of this negativity is really about the fact that many people (especially casual Beatle fans) just haven't taken the time to really listen to Paul's songs after let's say Tug of War. Unfortunately, in general, that is perception of Paul's Solo career. It happens to all "aging" rockers after they're later songs no longer get consistent radio play. In Paul's case, it is not true when you consider all the great Beatle quality songs he has written but Paul has NOT HELPED HIMSELF. As I said, Paul shouldn't be concerned that if he introduces a relatively unknown Solo song, if the audience doesn't go nuts. From a marketing point of view, it is not the audience at the show that is the "gold mine". They have already paid for the ticket to be there, It is thousands (and even million) U-tube hits that he would get when he plays a "deeper" song. That is why Paul should be introducing (relatively unknown) but great songs each year. And again, he has a very good Band that can be helping him. He doesn't need to do it all himself. But if he never does those hidden great songs, they will remain obscure. I don't keep ramming this fact because I'm a selfish fan. I'm saying this "in defense" of his Post Beatles', Post Wings' career. You would think that Paul would have a similar and even greater motivation.
This is a really interesting post and you raise a lot of good points. The one thing I would say is that when an artist goes down the greatest hits route, it can be difficult to get out of it. People know if they see Bob Dylan and the others that you mentioned that they are going to be challenged by the set list. But when people see the likes of The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson, Barry Gibb etc. they want to hear the hits. I think that Paul is probably in this camp now and he knows it. I personally think he should add more solo songs - probably a lot more, but it could be worse. I notice that Brian Wilson now only plays 1 song from the past 40 years in his sets! As for the solo career, the past 20 years does deserve a lot more attention but this is also the period with the fewest hits unfortunately.
________________________________________________________ Turk Thrust, Great post and your explanations are very good and sound. One great point you raise is "going down the greatest hits route". In retrospect, I think Paul should have made an adjustment from 2005 on. And the big question right now is whether Paul has the voice for it at this late date. "Love Me Do" was a great choice for an addition last year. Not only is it instantly recognizable to Beatle fans and first timers, it is quite easy to sing. After the first line, the audience is singing along. Some of the really great, never performed songs I would love to hear (e.g. Lovers that Never Were, That Day is Done) I wonder myself if he has the vocals to do it anymore even if he wanted. He would definitely need a lot of help vocally from the Band. I saw Paul in 1990, 1993 (Flowers in the Dirt and Off the Ground toura) and 2002. The first 2 were his 1st worldwide tours since 1976 where he did very little Beatle songs. By the early 1990's all the Beatle songs during those tours sounded so fresh. Many of them had never been performed before. Then with Linda's illness and death, it was close to 10 years until he performed worldwide again in 2002. Again, the heavy Beatle setlist was still very fresh plus he still had new Beatle additions like Hello Goodbye which as we know was the opening song. To me, 2005 was the time to bring a few of his really great (but only well known to the Macca geeks like me) solo songs especially from Tug of War and Flaming Pie that he had never done. Actually, Tug of War was a huge seller so many people would recognize Take it Away (a hit record) and Wanderlust. I'm not saying in 2005 he should have added a lot but maybe 4 or 5 just to let the world know that he was still doing real quality stuff in the 80's and 90's. From Flaming Pie, he could have done Young Boy and Little Willow. These are just examples but you get the message here. His voice was also still quite strong at that point. But he never made that transition and continued in the vein of his greatest Beatle/Wings hits. Not saying he was wrong from a commercial and sales point of view but as far as creating a better balance of his overall career, it was something he overlooked. Till this day, I believe his Solo Career has been shortchanged and terribly underrated in the long run. Many people continue to malign his songs after Tug of War and it really isn't true.
If people really wanted to look back at reviews of his albums from FITD to now, it is extremely positive for the most part. Even Rolling Stone magazine which many people on this board think hates Mr. McCartney, has praised him quite often since 1989. I believe Rolling Stone had "New" as the 4th best album of 2013. Mr. McCartney has also received multiple Grammy nominations for album of the year (TOW, Flaming Pie & CHAOS) . His last "Fireman" record (EA) was also critically acclaimed. One of the reasons his solo career has been shortchanged is he has not been commercially successful since the early 1980's. That means he receives little radio play so the casual music fans are clueless that he has all these good/great songs. In addition, Mr. McCartney has not helped himself by ignoring his solo career for the most part in concert unless it is his current album. I actually think 2002 would have been the perfect time to play a few more solo songs in concert. He had new band which needed to learn his entire set list so he could have done anything he wanted with them. He also had not toured in almost 10 years so the crowds would have "loved" anything he played which should have given him the freedom to do maybe a 50-50 type of show. He was 15 years younger than and his voice could have handled anything we would love to have heard him sing. It is a shame that this opportunity was lost.
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I don't have time to read all this now, but my first thought was that the reaction of the audience matters a huge amount to him. He loves to feel that fantastic feedback when the vast crowd responds to a song. He seems almost frightened that he won't get that. But..."My Valentine" is a boring "nothing" kind of song, which surely doesn't elicit a enraptured overwhelming rush of a reaction, yet he still performs that. So, why not live a little and excite himself and his band by offering something novel and unexpected, and not the same old thing No matter how it goes over? Just my first thoughts on the subject
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Turk Thrust:
B J Conlee:
Good discussions and many of the arguments (even if I disagree) are good ones. There is one question that keeps popping in my head in summary: Why should Paul "****ing" McCartney even be concerned if he plays a good quality (but relatively unknown) song that many in the audience aren't lighting up their phones, going crazy with applause or leave for a beer. Based on his Setlist, the audience will surely come back within a song or two when a "known" Beatle or Wings' song returns. For what Paul has done in his career or for the many great songs he has written, that shouldn't worry him at all. Many artists in Paul's category (Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, Neil Young) do it all the time in their setlists. They have no problem playing their "deep" songs because they're more concerned about their songs being heard (and their true fans) than the reaction of the "casual" audience. Another thing that keeps coming back to me is that to "add" songs (particularly ones that they haven't done before) does take work and it just seems like Paul doesn't have the motivation to do it. I get that Paul is closing in on 75 and he surely doesn't have the energy he used to but he doesn't have to do it all himself. I'm not suggesting that Paul becomes a workaholic at 75. He has great musicians in his band. Just give them a short list of great songs he hasn't done before (or this band hasn't done before) each year and tell them to be ready to play them. Paul doesn't even have to play the key guitar or piano parts (like he has Rusty play on "And I love her"). The key is to just "introduce" some great songs (even if only 4 each year) never played live before. Obviously, he has pretty much exhausted his Beatle catalog but you would think that his great Solo songs would be what he wants to introduce anyway. Again, Paul doesn't have to do it all himself. What do they constantly say about a great business manager...delegate, delegate, delegate. I recently saw a thing on U-tube titled Lennon or McCartney. In the rather lengthy video, the moderator was interviewing many musicians (some were groups), actors celebrities etc. The moderator's purpose was to get they're reaction without much thought...who was the best Lennon or McCartney. I expected John to win for a couple of reasons not the least being how John tragically died. While John did win, I was surprise how Paul did relatively well and garnered many votes. Many were hesitating with their answers and from a "music" perspecitve (over lyrics or politics) were giving Paul the edge. But what did surprise me was just how many musicians/actors etc. were slamming Paul's solo career. Part of the reason was that the moderator himself was not a Paul Solo fan whatsoever and was "leading" them to put down Paul's songs in general since the 80's. Even so, the negativity about Paul after Wings did really surprise me. But when you get down to it, much of this negativity is really about the fact that many people (especially casual Beatle fans) just haven't taken the time to really listen to Paul's songs after let's say Tug of War. Unfortunately, in general, that is perception of Paul's Solo career. It happens to all "aging" rockers after they're later songs no longer get consistent radio play. In Paul's case, it is not true when you consider all the great Beatle quality songs he has written but Paul has NOT HELPED HIMSELF. As I said, Paul shouldn't be concerned that if he introduces a relatively unknown Solo song, if the audience doesn't go nuts. From a marketing point of view, it is not the audience at the show that is the "gold mine". They have already paid for the ticket to be there, It is thousands (and even million) U-tube hits that he would get when he plays a "deeper" song. That is why Paul should be introducing (relatively unknown) but great songs each year. And again, he has a very good Band that can be helping him. He doesn't need to do it all himself. But if he never does those hidden great songs, they will remain obscure. I don't keep ramming this fact because I'm a selfish fan. I'm saying this "in defense" of his Post Beatles', Post Wings' career. You would think that Paul would have a similar and even greater motivation.
This is a really interesting post and you raise a lot of good points. The one thing I would say is that when an artist goes down the greatest hits route, it can be difficult to get out of it. People know if they see Bob Dylan and the others that you mentioned that they are going to be challenged by the set list. But when people see the likes of The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson, Barry Gibb etc. they want to hear the hits. I think that Paul is probably in this camp now and he knows it. I personally think he should add more solo songs - probably a lot more, but it could be worse. I notice that Brian Wilson now only plays 1 song from the past 40 years in his sets! As for the solo career, the past 20 years does deserve a lot more attention but this is also the period with the fewest hits unfortunately.
________________________________________________________ Turk Thrust, Great post and your explanations are very good and sound. One great point you raise is "going down the greatest hits route". In retrospect, I think Paul should have made an adjustment from 2005 on. And the big question right now is whether Paul has the voice for it at this late date. "Love Me Do" was a great choice for an addition last year. Not only is it instantly recognizable to Beatle fans and first timers, it is quite easy to sing. After the first line, the audience is singing along. Some of the really great, never performed songs I would love to hear (e.g. Lovers that Never Were, That Day is Done) I wonder myself if he has the vocals to do it anymore even if he wanted. He would definitely need a lot of help vocally from the Band. I saw Paul in 1990, 1993 (Flowers in the Dirt and Off the Ground toura) and 2002. The first 2 were his 1st worldwide tours since 1976 where he did very little Beatle songs. By the early 1990's all the Beatle songs during those tours sounded so fresh. Many of them had never been performed before. Then with Linda's illness and death, it was close to 10 years until he performed worldwide again in 2002. Again, the heavy Beatle setlist was still very fresh plus he still had new Beatle additions like Hello Goodbye which as we know was the opening song. To me, 2005 was the time to bring a few of his really great (but only well known to the Macca geeks like me) solo songs especially from Tug of War and Flaming Pie that he had never done. Actually, Tug of War was a huge seller so many people would recognize Take it Away (a hit record) and Wanderlust. I'm not saying in 2005 he should have added a lot but maybe 4 or 5 just to let the world know that he was still doing real quality stuff in the 80's and 90's. From Flaming Pie, he could have done Young Boy and Little Willow. These are just examples but you get the message here. His voice was also still quite strong at that point. But he never made that transition and continued in the vein of his greatest Beatle/Wings hits. Not saying he was wrong from a commercial and sales point of view but as far as creating a better balance of his overall career, it was something he overlooked. Till this day, I believe his Solo Career has been shortchanged and terribly underrated in the long run. Many people continue to malign his songs after Tug of War and it really isn't true.
If people really wanted to look back at reviews of his albums from FITD to now, it is extremely positive for the most part. Even Rolling Stone magazine which many people on this board think hates Mr. McCartney, has praised him quite often since 1989. I believe Rolling Stone had "New" as the 4th best album of 2013. Mr. McCartney has also received multiple Grammy nominations for album of the year (TOW, Flaming Pie & CHAOS) . His last "Fireman" record (EA) was also critically acclaimed. One of the reasons his solo career has been shortchanged is he has not been commercially successful since the early 1980's. That means he receives little radio play so the casual music fans are clueless that he has all these good/great songs. In addition, Mr. McCartney has not helped himself by ignoring his solo career for the most part in concert unless it is his current album. I actually think 2002 would have been the perfect time to play a few more solo songs in concert. He had new band which needed to learn his entire set list so he could have done anything he wanted with them. He also had not toured in almost 10 years so the crowds would have "loved" anything he played which should have given him the freedom to do maybe a 50-50 type of show. He was 15 years younger than and his voice could have handled anything we would love to have heard him sing. It is a shame that this opportunity was lost.
____________________________________________________________ Couldn't agree more Yankeefan. When you think about the # of great songs he never did live... Take It Away Wanderlust Tug of War (the song) The Pound is Sinking Somebody Who Cares That Day is Done Lovers that Never Were Distractions Hope of Deliverance (done mainly in Mexico and South America) Little Willow Young Boy The World Tonight Somedays Souvenir The above list were songs basically from Flaming Pie, Off the Ground, Flowers in the Dirt and Tug of War. 3 or 4 each could have been done in 2002 and 2005. Just think about the exposure these songs would have received not only from the ten's of 1000's at the shows but also the millions of U-tube hits Paul would have received from playing them on his tours. This was when Paul was arguably the biggest concert draw in the world. These are songs that got little to no radio airplay but were great songs that needed the kind of exposure that only Paul could give. That is what I mean when I say that Paul since 2002 has really shortchanged his Solo career. Not saying Paul should have had an equal split of Beatles, Wings and Solo. He always needed to play a majority of Beatle songs. But (and just my opinion) just 3 or 4 "backlisted" Solo songs each tour (not songs from albums he was concurrently promoting) would have made a significantly difference in the way his Solo career would have been perceived. It is unfortunate but I was hoping that Paul would at least try to play just a few great solo songs in 2017 but as others have also said. I doubt it will happen.
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yankeefan7:
I saw Brian Wilson in 2005 and his set list was all Beach Boys with the exception of "Love And Mercy". I did a search of his 1999 tour and the set list I saw had only 4 songs out of 28 that were not Beach Boy songs and one of them was a Ronettes cover. Check out Robert Plant (Led Zepplin), he has never played mostly Zepplin songs in his set lists.
You should have seen him in 2007. My point, referring to B J Conlee's great post, was that there are some artists from that era who want to challenge their audience, and others who want to play the crowd pleasers. Paul is clearly in the latter category as he has admitted himself. It's a shame and slightly perplexing that even the solo hits don't get much of a look in though...
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BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
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My Valentine is for Nancy what My Love was for Linda. As much as it might be a lull in the set, it was written for her and therefore isn't going anywhere, and honestly, it is a song from his solo career... To me, the best opportunities to slip in solo songs were the ones that were instead used for Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!, Your Mother Should Know, The Night Before, etc. Some Beatles surprises were great, but I feel like Mr. Kite, arguably the one of those few with the most staying power, probably took a spot better served by something from the 80s. Hey, he could surprise us all and throw us something off of FITD. I'd like to think that there are a fair number of songs on that album still well within his vocal range.
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Nancy R:
BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
We both have been beating a dead horse for a long time my friend. I am ready to admit defeat - lol.
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somewhat obscure McCartney songs I've mentioned to people that aren't Macca or even remotely serious Beatle/Wings fans but yet they still know and love the songs- Temporary Secretary Waterfalls Take It Away Tug of War My Brave Face Figure of Eight Put it There Dance Tonight Queenie Eye New
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
We both have been beating a dead horse for a long time my friend. I am ready to admit defeat - lol.
__________________________________________________ Thanks Yankeefan. You're right...we've been frustrated for a long time. Turk Thrust really summed it all up a few posts back saying "there are some artists from Paul's era who want to challenge their audience and others who want to play the crowd pleasers. Paul is clearly in the latter category". You and I have repeatedly argued that because of Paul's unique position, he could have done "both" throughout his tours since 2002 by just playing 3-4 different and great solo songs each year/tour. Because Paul's Solo career (Post 1980) has consistently been maligned by many (unjustly I might add) it does baffle me. While I'm going to drop the subject here (I'm sure some are pleased) I'm actually very excited because I will be attending a 4 Day Beatles' Festival (along with a couple other Boardies) just outside of Louisville KY in about 2 weeks (Abbey Road on the River). They have all kinds of performers (some known, some unknown) who will be playing all facets of the Beatles' as a group and as individuals. Hopefully one or two will be specializing in Solo Paul and I can hear some great Paul songs Post 1980. I will report back in the "Band on the Run Section" with highlights.
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yankeefan7:
" I notice that Brian Wilson now only plays 1 song from the past 40 years in his sets! " I love Brian Wilson as much as any Beach Boy fan but you can't compare his solo career with Paul McCartney.
Obviously Brian had a much more rocky and uneven career and life, but some of his solo stuff is really, really fine, and it deserves more respect and attention than it's gotten. "Imagination" is one of my favorite albums by anyone, ever.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
We both have been beating a dead horse for a long time my friend. I am ready to admit defeat - lol.
__________________________________________________ Thanks Yankeefan. You're right...we've been frustrated for a long time. Turk Thrust really summed it all up a few posts back saying "there are some artists from Paul's era who want to challenge their audience and others who want to play the crowd pleasers. Paul is clearly in the latter category". You and I have repeatedly argued that because of Paul's unique position, he could have done "both" throughout his tours since 2002 by just playing 3-4 different and great solo songs each year/tour. Because Paul's Solo career (Post 1980) has consistently been maligned by many (unjustly I might add) it does baffle me. While I'm going to drop the subject here (I'm sure some are pleased) I'm actually very excited because I will be attending a 4 Day Beatles' Festival (along with a couple other Boardies) just outside of Louisville KY in about 2 weeks (Abbey Road on the River). They have all kinds of performers (some known, some unknown) who will be playing all facets of the Beatles' as a group and as individuals. Hopefully one or two will be specializing in Solo Paul and I can hear some great Paul songs Post 1980. I will report back in the "Band on the Run Section" with highlights.
BJ, AROTR is 5 days long! I can't wait! Not sure if there will be much solo Paul since Wingsbanned will not be there this year. Laurence Juber and The Cryers with Steve Holley should break out some Wings stuff I hope! Here's the lineup: http://www.arotr.com/site/?page_id=5498 Oh, and an old boardie wanted me to mention that Stevie Nicks is doing the setlist that her solo fans have long been waiting for. She's doing songs they thought she'd never do and the fans are loving it. Too bad Paul can't/won't follow suit.
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Bruce M.:
yankeefan7:
" I notice that Brian Wilson now only plays 1 song from the past 40 years in his sets! " I love Brian Wilson as much as any Beach Boy fan but you can't compare his solo career with Paul McCartney.
Obviously Brian had a much more rocky and uneven career and life, but some of his solo stuff is really, really fine, and it deserves more respect and attention than it's gotten. "Imagination" is one of my favorite albums by anyone, ever.
I love Brian Wilson's solo stuff, my point was that Paul McCartney has put out a lot more solo albums than Brian Wilson.
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Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
We both have been beating a dead horse for a long time my friend. I am ready to admit defeat - lol.
__________________________________________________ Thanks Yankeefan. You're right...we've been frustrated for a long time. Turk Thrust really summed it all up a few posts back saying "there are some artists from Paul's era who want to challenge their audience and others who want to play the crowd pleasers. Paul is clearly in the latter category". You and I have repeatedly argued that because of Paul's unique position, he could have done "both" throughout his tours since 2002 by just playing 3-4 different and great solo songs each year/tour. Because Paul's Solo career (Post 1980) has consistently been maligned by many (unjustly I might add) it does baffle me. While I'm going to drop the subject here (I'm sure some are pleased) I'm actually very excited because I will be attending a 4 Day Beatles' Festival (along with a couple other Boardies) just outside of Louisville KY in about 2 weeks (Abbey Road on the River). They have all kinds of performers (some known, some unknown) who will be playing all facets of the Beatles' as a group and as individuals. Hopefully one or two will be specializing in Solo Paul and I can hear some great Paul songs Post 1980. I will report back in the "Band on the Run Section" with highlights.
BJ, AROTR is 5 days long! I can't wait! Not sure if there will be much solo Paul since Wingsbanned will not be there this year. Laurence Juber and The Cryers with Steve Holley should break out some Wings stuff I hope! Here's the lineup: http://www.arotr.com/site/?page_id=5498 Oh, and an old boardie wanted me to mention that Stevie Nicks is doing the setlist that her solo fans have long been waiting for. She's doing songs they thought she'd never do and the fans are loving it. Too bad Paul can't/won't follow suit.
"Oh, and an old boardie wanted me to mention that Stevie Nicks is doing the setlist that her solo fans have long been waiting for. She's doing songs they thought she'd never do and the fans are loving it. Too bad Paul can't/won't follow suit. " Was that old boardie "Audi" ? - lol. Stevie Nicks solo tours were never "Fleetwood Mac" dominated and I am glad she is doing "deep" cuts for her fans. I am sure she loves doing these solo tours because it gives her the freedom to do whatever music she wants, I love her music.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
We both have been beating a dead horse for a long time my friend. I am ready to admit defeat - lol.
__________________________________________________ Thanks Yankeefan. You're right...we've been frustrated for a long time. Turk Thrust really summed it all up a few posts back saying "there are some artists from Paul's era who want to challenge their audience and others who want to play the crowd pleasers. Paul is clearly in the latter category". You and I have repeatedly argued that because of Paul's unique position, he could have done "both" throughout his tours since 2002 by just playing 3-4 different and great solo songs each year/tour. Because Paul's Solo career (Post 1980) has consistently been maligned by many (unjustly I might add) it does baffle me. While I'm going to drop the subject here (I'm sure some are pleased) I'm actually very excited because I will be attending a 4 Day Beatles' Festival (along with a couple other Boardies) just outside of Louisville KY in about 2 weeks (Abbey Road on the River). They have all kinds of performers (some known, some unknown) who will be playing all facets of the Beatles' as a group and as individuals. Hopefully one or two will be specializing in Solo Paul and I can hear some great Paul songs Post 1980. I will report back in the "Band on the Run Section" with highlights.
Enjoy the festival, will be interested in your report.
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FlowersOnTheRun:
somewhat obscure McCartney songs I've mentioned to people that aren't Macca or even remotely serious Beatle/Wings fans but yet they still know and love the songs- Temporary Secretary Waterfalls Take It Away Tug of War My Brave Face Figure of Eight Put it There Dance Tonight Queenie Eye New
It is very simple, it is very good music and if people were exposed to it more often they might actually find out that Mr. McCartney has done some pretty darn good stuff outside of the Beatles and Wings.
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Stevie Nicks? Might I provide some insight... My girlfriend and I saw her in March and it was pretty horrible. She spoke for nearly a full hour of the two hours she was on stage. She did indeed sing a ton of unknown songs and ya know what? It tanked. There was NO ONE in or around the sections I was in enjoying themselves. "It went over like a lead zeppelin" Her tour is a perfect example of how NOT to integrate unknown songs into the show.
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WixRocks!:
Stevie Nicks? Might I provide some insight... My girlfriend and I saw her in March and it was pretty horrible. She spoke for nearly a full hour of the two hours she was on stage. She did indeed sing a ton of unknown songs and ya know what? It tanked. There was NO ONE in or around the sections I was in enjoying themselves. "It went over like a lead zeppelin" Her tour is a perfect example of how NOT to integrate unknown songs into the show.
Ok. I could not see her when she was here last November with Chrissie Hynde but good friend of mine went and enjoyed the show. He said the crowd was into the show and knew the songs like "Stand Back", "Stop Dragging My Heart Around", "Bella Donna", "Leather and Lace" and "Crying In The Night". Think she did a couple of Fleetwood Mac songs. I guess to each their own.
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BJ, YouTube wasn't created until 2005, so no "hits" until then! P.S. I admire your passion on this subject, but I'm afraid you're bordering on beating a dead horse, my friend.
_________________________________________________________ Funny thing, I was thinking the same thing last night. I've made my points so I'm going to give it a rest for a while. I'm just going to wait and see what he plays in Miami. Thanks for the correction about YouTube. Just think however of the # of hits of the very good to great solo songs (that Paul has ignored) would have received from 2005 on. My only point is that it might have created a different (and better!) perception of Paul's music after Wings. He certainly couldn't depend on any radio airplay on his great songs after No More Lonely Nights.
We both have been beating a dead horse for a long time my friend. I am ready to admit defeat - lol.
__________________________________________________ Thanks Yankeefan. You're right...we've been frustrated for a long time. Turk Thrust really summed it all up a few posts back saying "there are some artists from Paul's era who want to challenge their audience and others who want to play the crowd pleasers. Paul is clearly in the latter category". You and I have repeatedly argued that because of Paul's unique position, he could have done "both" throughout his tours since 2002 by just playing 3-4 different and great solo songs each year/tour. Because Paul's Solo career (Post 1980) has consistently been maligned by many (unjustly I might add) it does baffle me. While I'm going to drop the subject here (I'm sure some are pleased) I'm actually very excited because I will be attending a 4 Day Beatles' Festival (along with a couple other Boardies) just outside of Louisville KY in about 2 weeks (Abbey Road on the River). They have all kinds of performers (some known, some unknown) who will be playing all facets of the Beatles' as a group and as individuals. Hopefully one or two will be specializing in Solo Paul and I can hear some great Paul songs Post 1980. I will report back in the "Band on the Run Section" with highlights.
BJ, AROTR is 5 days long! I can't wait! Not sure if there will be much solo Paul since Wingsbanned will not be there this year. Laurence Juber and The Cryers with Steve Holley should break out some Wings stuff I hope! Here's the lineup: http://www.arotr.com/site/?page_id=5498 Oh, and an old boardie wanted me to mention that Stevie Nicks is doing the setlist that her solo fans have long been waiting for. She's doing songs they thought she'd never do and the fans are loving it. Too bad Paul can't/won't follow suit.
"Oh, and an old boardie wanted me to mention that Stevie Nicks is doing the setlist that her solo fans have long been waiting for. She's doing songs they thought she'd never do and the fans are loving it. Too bad Paul can't/won't follow suit. " Was that old boardie "Audi" ? - lol. Stevie Nicks solo tours were never "Fleetwood Mac" dominated and I am glad she is doing "deep" cuts for her fans. I am sure she loves doing these solo tours because it gives her the freedom to do whatever music she wants, I love her music.
I can neither confirm nor deny.
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WixRocks!:
Stevie Nicks? Might I provide some insight... My girlfriend and I saw her in March and it was pretty horrible. She spoke for nearly a full hour of the two hours she was on stage. She did indeed sing a ton of unknown songs and ya know what? It tanked. There was NO ONE in or around the sections I was in enjoying themselves. "It went over like a lead zeppelin" Her tour is a perfect example of how NOT to integrate unknown songs into the show.
"Her tour is a perfect example of how NOT to integrate unknown songs into the show." Let me add one other comment that I forgot in my first response. If people at that show wanted a Fleetwood Mac show, they should have seen her when she tours with the band. I would think that the idea of her doing a solo tour was to showcase her solo songs. Of course, she should have a few Fleetwood Mac songs in set list because that is what made her famous but it does not have to dominate the show.