The ..2012.... Political thread
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JennyLP:
Whilst many of those removed were from members trying to bring calm and reason to the situation we deemed it appropriate to remove all the posts associated.
Which was totally unecessary.....which seems to be the norm around here isn't it..... :
Which just goes to show there could not be a civilized political discussion about American politics on Paul McCartney's website. Pretty much like the Presidential campaign itself. It's pointless now however. There are big problems to solve, and we all need to get behind Obama.
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I think its far better to make fun of sting personally .
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deKooningartist:
[quote="SurSteven]You being an artist would understand what is meant by the concept of freeform and that of structure. The liberal arts and the rigidly regimented.
And that's why I do not like other people, albeit in the arts or government to tell me how to run my life. Well, that would be great, but we should eliminate all the laws and prohibitions then. You know, murder, crimes included.
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nellie apple:
Lookie-lookie http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CNBC
yes, that's what I meant, though there's a "Obama-paranoia" more then "Obama-effect" point... he's not Lenin or so... so well... and it's right, the more he broken the promises the less "Obama effect/paranoia" there will be.
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I don't know what the political temperature is like in other places, but the Obama supporters (and I am not talking about all of you but some) have to realize that for 8 years we have been hearing nothing but hatred coming from special interest groups and these same groups are now trying to convince people they are all about peace, love and joy. Early on in the Bush administration 8 years ago, I attended a meeting in Seattle. When I publicly spoke out against the extreme hatred I saw brewing and because I did not relish a replica of Bush being hung in the hallway, I was threatened to have my career destroyed. What you hard core Obama supporters have to realize is that there are many many people out there like myself who refused to participate in the sheer joy of just what appeared to be "hating". The end does not justify the means. It does drive people such as myself to the 'other side' That's why there is such a disbelief by those of us on the sidelines when we now hear from this same group preaching peace, love and joy throughout the world when the polar opposite has been exhibited. Sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with a huge mass of people with split personality disorder I don't mind political bantering. I participate in that too. It's part of politics But what has been happening on the net and publicly is not political bantering. President Bush had alot to deal with during his Presidency. Some things he did were good for this country whereas some decisions he made I do not agree with. It's easy to disagree and point fingers. What's not easy is to stand up for what you believe is right when faced with so much hatred from special interest groups who at times appeared to me to be about anything but altruism which they now esposing too. 42 million people in our country are people like myself that identify themselves as indendants. No one group has all the answers. Sometimes the democrats are right whereas other times the republicans are corect on policy. Personally I think political parties and political interest groups should be abolished.
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mustangsally10:
We have some sickos on this board....poor Paul. I feel sorry for him to have these expressions of hate on his board. I would bet that being the open minded intelligent person he is and knowing his environmental and liberal interests that he would be a Obama supporter. It's very sad to see demonstrations of mental imbalance on this board.
Well, if have seen the news today, Paul has received the "Ultimate Legend Award" in the MTV Europe awards show from Bono. And besides expressing thanks to his Mum and Dad, to Ringo, George and John, he did it too "to everyone in America for voting in Mr. Obama" It's strange that Paul says something about politics. And he has done in front of milions. ... BTW, I though this board had rules about offenses and such, but I see now it's allowed to insult anyone. Not that I'm thinking of do that, but well, just in case, Don't get me started! Sir Paul McCartney accepts Ultimate Legend award at MTV EMAs
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BandontheRun:
I'll add another thought here.. Obama said relative to marijuanna.. "I hinaled frequently, that was the point." What will you say when your children ask, "The President said he smoked pot, what is wrong if I do?"
I would say, "Don't ever do anything just because of the president of the USA does it"
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BandontheRun:
Bill:
BandontheRun:
I'll add another thought here.. Obama said relative to marijuanna.. "I hinaled frequently, that was the point." What will you say when your children ask, "The President said he smoked pot, what is wrong if I do?" Those of you (majority) that voted for Obama may not mind but I am curious for those of you who have children... how do you now have this conversation that doing drugs are bad when the President of the US openly and casually admits to using drugs? Not experimenting, openling using marijuanna and cocaine? Hmm... exactly where are we directing the youth of America in right and wrong and subsequent consequences?
Arnold Schwarzenegger is on video smoking a joint and loving it. Bush used cocaine, everyone knows it. Maybe you should tell kids not to listen to Paul McCartney because he has done both. The election is over and the people have spoken. Get over it. This desperate scaremongering is even more useless this week than it was last week.
Arnold Shwarzenegger etc... do not openly admit to rampid drug use and are not in the higest office in the land. You bash Bush for whatever, but are you now conding drug use by US Presidents that hold the highest office in the land? You condemn Bush for drug use which was not advertised or condoned... can you do the same for Obama? Is his drug history just "OK" and you suck it up as an Obamafile?
Well Arnold, of course, used all kinds of steroids...
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george_e_girl:
Please stop with the insults, name-calling and personal attacks!! Everyone is entitled to share their opinions here without being held to a litmus test. We need to remember why we are on this board in the first place...the fact that we all share a love and enjoyment for Paul and his music. If you cannot play nice, you need to move away from this particular thread. Thank you Dawn
I wonder what a Metallica forum could be like now if a Paul McCartney forum is like this.
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in a way i still can't relate to your talking like more of the hate is on the left than the right, but it's true george w. inspired hate in some people, the actions of his administration bringing out the worst in people who hate the enormous budget deficit, who hate innocent children and other innocents and our troops dying in Iraq as they abhor violence, who hated the shocking unprecedented "pre-emptive strike" which made the world hate us big time, and hate what was done to the environment, and to programs to help the aged and disadvantaged and homeless and children, etc.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
in a way i still can't relate to your talking like more of the hate is on the left than the right, but it's true george w. inspired hate in some people, the actions of his administration bringing out the worst in people who hate the enormous budget deficit, who hate innocent children and other innocents and our troops dying in Iraq as they abhor violence, who hated the shocking unprecedented "pre-emptive strike" which made the world hate us big time, and hate what was done to the environment, and to programs to help the aged and disadvantaged and homeless and children, etc.
You beat me to it Susy.....people just dont get it . ...and Barrack is a very intelligent man who er er hmmmmmmm well he hasnt started yet Bush is a war criminal fact....hes a idiot ......fact. hes killed a million innocent people.....fact hes increased the threat of terrorism around the world (esp the US and UK ) fact.
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moggy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
in a way i still can't relate to your talking like more of the hate is on the left than the right, but it's true george w. inspired hate in some people, the actions of his administration bringing out the worst in people who hate the enormous budget deficit, who hate innocent children and other innocents and our troops dying in Iraq as they abhor violence, who hated the shocking unprecedented "pre-emptive strike" which made the world hate us big time, and hate what was done to the environment, and to programs to help the aged and disadvantaged and homeless and children, etc.
You beat me to it Susy.....people just dont get it . ...and Barrack is a very intelligent man who er er hmmmmmmm well he hasnt started yet Bush is a war criminal fact....hes a idiot ......fact. hes killed a million innocent people.....fact hes increased the threat of terrorism around the world (esp the US and UK ) fact.
Exactly, you both beat me to it. I feel that the US should apologize to the world for the damage it has created regarding first the financial crisis, which is having people suffer around the world not just in the US. Secondly, the Iraq War which has created loss both of lives and treasure not only in the US but actually increased terrorism mainly outside the US. Also the unforgiveable nonaction on the environment which has put future generations in peril. All of these and more have been created by the ideology of the bush/republican agenda. Peace and Love I dont think so, this election was a revolution. The rest of the world is as happy as the US is re the election results. Bush hate...you betcha!
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david mitchelson:
Dorothy I am tip top me dear......are you swell? You seem to have done your best to stay out of this debate (if indeed you can call it that.......gladitorial combat was more peaceful and loving than this).......you are what I've always thought you are, a wise, wise woman. Hope whoever you support you'll get behind your new leader for the sake of your great country. We are all affected by what happens in the US and have all been gratefull for all it's has done for us. Our two nations may fall out once in a while but hopefully we'll always remain pals. Tad like you and I my darling.....
I am happy with who our president is . However, I am not the Debating type. I rather read.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
in a way i still can't relate to your talking like more of the hate is on the left than the right, but it's true george w. inspired hate in some people, the actions of his administration bringing out the worst in people who hate the enormous budget deficit, who hate innocent children and other innocents and our troops dying in Iraq as they abhor violence, who hated the shocking unprecedented "pre-emptive strike" which made the world hate us big time, and hate what was done to the environment, and to programs to help the aged and disadvantaged and homeless and children, etc.
You threw out alot there!!! It's easy to make claims but please state the policies. Remember there is a Congress This thread could go on and on about rehashing....but example, we have to look to history and thanks to the net we can get it straight from Al Gore himself.
Highlights from the transcript from Al Gore in 1992: ?Bush (Bush senior) deserves heavy blame for intentionally concealing from the American people the clear nature of Saddam Hussein and his regime and for convincing himself that friendly relations with such a monster would be possible, and for persisting in this effort far, far beyond the point of folly? ?Saddam used poison gas on the Kurdish town of Halabja, brutally murdering some 5,000 innocent men, women, and children? And Gore reminds us about the tough stand he took regarding Iraq: ?I, myself, went to the Senate floor twice demanding tough action? It?s clear why a tough stance would be needed against Iraq, afterall? ??the CIA reported to Secretary of State Baker and other top Bush administration officials that Iraq was clandestinely procuring nuclear weapons technology through a global network of front companies. Did all of this make any impression at all on President Bush? Did his judgment on foreign policy come into play when he was told that this nation, with a record of terrorism continuing, was making a sustained, concerted effort to acquire weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, chemical, and biological? Well, evidently not, because in the midst of this flood of highly alarming information from the CIA, the Defense Department, the Energy Department, the Commerce Department, the Justice Department, the State Department, other agencies throughout the government, on October 2nd, 1989, President Bush signed a document known as NSD 26, which established the policy toward Iraq under his administration. ?and the money quote of the day: Saddam had every reason to assume that Bush would look the other way no matter what he did. He had already launched poison gas attacks repeatedly, and Bush looked the other way. He had already conducted extensive terrorism activities, and Bush had looked the other way. He was already deeply involved in the effort to acquire nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction, and Bush knew it, but he looked the other way. Well, in my view, the Bush administration was acting in a manner directly opposite to what you would expect with all of the evidence that it had available to it at the time. Saddam Hussein?s nature and intentions were perfectly visible. Ok, so it was 1992 and Gore was blasting the first President Bush? So for those of you keeping score at home Al Gore has stated: The first President Bush deserves blame for not taking action against Iraq despite mountains of evidence of its ties to terrorism and involvement in WMD programs while the second President Bush not only deserves blame for taking action, but is also now accused of making up the evidence, much of which existed a decade before he became President. By the way, if President George H.W. Bush deserves blame for not taking action against Saddam Hussein, how much blame shall we unload on the Clinton-Gore administration that had 8 years after this speech to do it? yet failed to.
Link with actual video of his words: http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/06/12/al-gore-blasts-president-bush-for-ignoring-iraqs-ties-to-terrorism/ So you see SusyLuvsPaul, it's a bit more complicated than that. That's why blaming all this 'hatred' on one person or one administration for example the pre-emptive strike, is directed at the wrong group. History shows something very different. Rather than constantly having hatred and placing blame, look to history for what actually transpired and learn from it. Listen to the video from a fellow Democrat
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What is the use of blaming each other for hating most? If you want a change, take the first step, don't wait for the other to do so: stop hating, start understanding. Be the change you wish to see in the world, like Gandhi said. It doesn't depend on 1 president, it depends on us all.
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wunjo:
What is the use of blaming each other for hating most? If you want a change, take the first step, don't wait for the other to do so: stop hating, start understanding. Be the change you wish to see in the world, like Gandhi said. It doesn't depend on 1 president, it depends on us all.
Probably because many people who did not agree with the far left their own personal careers were threatened like myself. And now you are asking people to believe you have changed? I am not speaking of you in particular btw In my previous post I explained why there is so much animosity, why some of us feel the way we do. People on the far left are asking alot. I was one of the first people to join moveon.org because I was sick of the Clinton bashing. But unfortunately the group turned into the very same thing they preached against and I watched it spread. I am very cautious to your cause. And I believe many people are too.
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We now have an entire generation of voters that believe all of the world's problems are because of the Bush presidency.
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BandontheRun:
We now have an entire generation of voters that believe all of the world's problems are because of the Bush presidency.
The Bush's will get over it.
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I would hope sincerely that that is not correct. But given that people in the UK are all too ready to stuill blame Thatcher for all of the UK's ills, it is only a hope. On the day when the US unemployment figures have been relased there has been no mention that in one chinese city 150,000 have left in the last month back to their rural homes. Due to many firms collapsing. Over a year ago we had in either the telegraph or the Sunday Times an excellent report followed by a tv documentary on the problems that China was facing. The current financial chaos had it seeds in the clinton administration but certainly the Bush administration and the Blair/Brown administration ignored all the warning signs and naysayers.
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wunjo:
What is the use of blaming each other for hating most? If you want a change, take the first step, don't wait for the other to do so: stop hating, start understanding. Be the change you wish to see in the world, like Gandhi said. It doesn't depend on 1 president, it depends on us all.