The 2012 and beyond Political Thread - Part 2
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"Progressive" this time, yes, Washington State and Oregon even voted to make marijuana legal! Rightys moaned and groaned about "takers not makers" winning--don't they know some regions in the land don't have many jobs, so food stamps for one thing really help out--even when employed, if you don't earn above a certain amount you can still get food stamps. I bet the rightys really hate that. The wealthy look so greedy when they don't want to pay more taxes. They're the ones who can afford to do so, and help out the country that way. The U.S.A. would never even have been able to become a country without taxation. And the "makers" part--too often the "job makers" outsourced the jobs to other countries. If Apple moved production back to the U.S., for example, that would solve a lot of the financial problems of our economy right there. Why can't the U.S. insist that the numerous countries deeply in debt to the U.S. pay us back--that would help out greatly--I suppose they can't be forced to pay it back?
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Well We should an election Artist supreme and elect our host as its ultimate supreme person That we can have a friendly political contest for a change love doris
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Getting back to healthcare: The Affordable Care Act is an imperfect but respectable first step. When Medicare became the law of the land in 1965, it was far from perfect. Today, you can't find a senior who doesn't love it. Eventually, "ObamaCare" will progress to what is the only solution (and they're doing it in Europe and Canada)...Medicare for all.
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
Also Forbes researched whether ObamaCares would kill jobs ...here're the facts read the entire article and click the links to the study and read that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/ people who believe the lies about ObamaCares killing jobs have been suckered yet again
As we speak, layoffs and closures are happening. Obamacare is killing jobs, you can continue to deny it, but it is happening.
Did RomneyCare kill jobs in Massachusetts?
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Deny and justify all you want, but the tsunami has started and just watch how many of Obamas unGodly policies infect America!
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Comic relief...I needed that.
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I got burned out on the almost fascist statements made on facebook, leaning towards out right anti semitism based on pro romney stuff. As soon as I can figure out about one female on there who is getting a little too aggressive with those remarks I will simply remove her from my face book page. A real argument in the debate style simply point out the strengths and weakness of both sides. The way this one went was almost violent to those who oppose their view points. Oh yea I got to sit on some parlimentary debate competitions one time. and Anyone with rude remarks in the debate circuit lost the debate. I was told to vote it that way. love doris
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Doris, Just be glad that conservatives -- comprised mostly of self-righteous, low-information voters who foolishly vote against their own interests -- are on the fast-track to extinction... ...as clearly indicated by this recent election.
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May God have mercy on us, because if you take him out of it, what do you have left? A falling America that forces and passes unGodly laws and policies that try to make wrong right! There's a reckoning coming, and we'll have to explain to our children how we messed up this country for them! We haven't learned a thing from all the empires that have fallen thruout history, how totally blind and stupid America has become! Man turning his back and denying truth is nothing new, and the consequences won't be anything new either! This country is in real trouble!
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left hand man:
May God have mercy on us, because if you take him out of it, what do you have left? A falling America that forces and passes unGodly laws and policies that try to make wrong right! There's a reckoning coming, and we'll have to explain to our children how we messed up this country for them! We haven't learned a thing from all the empires that have fallen thruout history, how totally blind and stupid America has become! Man turning his back and denying truth is nothing new, and the consequences won't be anything new either! This country is in real trouble!
An old school tent revival on the internet. How...quaint... : And what exactly are these "ungodly" laws you speak of? Laws that allow marriage equality? Abortion? Please do tell. I'm ALL ears.
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audi:
Doris, Just be glad that conservatives -- comprised mostly of self-righteous, low-information voters who foolishly vote against their own interests -- are on the fast-track to extinction... ...as clearly indicated by this recent election.
Why did I imagine giant Sentinels crafted in the image of Harry Reid picking off every last conservative remaining, Days Of Future Past style when I read this post?
audi:
AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
Also Forbes researched whether ObamaCares would kill jobs ...here're the facts read the entire article and click the links to the study and read that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/ people who believe the lies about ObamaCares killing jobs have been suckered yet again
As we speak, layoffs and closures are happening. Obamacare is killing jobs, you can continue to deny it, but it is happening.
Did RomneyCare kill jobs in Massachusetts?
No
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
Also Forbes researched whether ObamaCares would kill jobs ...here're the facts read the entire article and click the links to the study and read that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/ people who believe the lies about ObamaCares killing jobs have been suckered yet again
As we speak, layoffs and closures are happening. Obamacare is killing jobs, you can continue to deny it, but it is happening.
that may kill jobs but may save lifes It's a matter of priorities.
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peter:
four - ignore polls from other countries, you elect your government no one else does. obama and the European Union won the peace prize LMFAO. .
First the Grammies, then the Oscars and then Nobel prizes, they're not what they used to be. Next Nobel for Peace could be for the IMF or Wall Street... If you think that's impossible look at the grammies winners. I'm quoting Abraham Lincoln, ex-president of the USA, again; "Corporations have been enthroned and a age of corruption will follow", we are at the absurd climax of that.
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probably the thing that I like the less about politics is that it's all talk, sort of intelectual rethorics that can make you believe a thing, or the opposite of that thing. It's a game anyone can play in his head. "I believe in "X" because of... Ok but I can't stop believing in X"because of..." Deep in your HEART you know what is good. And that is all. No statement to be made, no intelect needed, not a 1000 words article needed. What is right is right because you just know it's right. There is no reason why. Language is a very tricky thing, it can make you believe the opposite of what's good for you, out of fear, or confussion.... America, all you need is love, it's easy. Sing it Paul and "all the folks"
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
audi:
Doris, Just be glad that conservatives -- comprised mostly of self-righteous, low-information voters who foolishly vote against their own interests -- are on the fast-track to extinction... ...as clearly indicated by this recent election.
Why did I imagine giant Sentinels crafted in the image of Harry Reid picking off every last conservative remaining, Days Of Future Past style when I read this post?
audi:
AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
Also Forbes researched whether ObamaCares would kill jobs ...here're the facts read the entire article and click the links to the study and read that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/ people who believe the lies about ObamaCares killing jobs have been suckered yet again
As we speak, layoffs and closures are happening. Obamacare is killing jobs, you can continue to deny it, but it is happening.
Did RomneyCare kill jobs in Massachusetts?
No
Exactly, they're revenge firings and will backfire on the greedy, lying repubs.
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Great, Obama won. I watched the election the whole night over here in Germany on CNN with a few friends, a night to remember.
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21st Century Paul:
AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
Also Forbes researched whether ObamaCares would kill jobs ...here're the facts read the entire article and click the links to the study and read that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/ people who believe the lies about ObamaCares killing jobs have been suckered yet again
As we speak, layoffs and closures are happening. Obamacare is killing jobs, you can continue to deny it, but it is happening.
that may kill jobs but may save lifes It's a matter of priorities.
"SNAP!"
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mustangsally10:
AbbeyRoadCrosser:
audi:
Doris, Just be glad that conservatives -- comprised mostly of self-righteous, low-information voters who foolishly vote against their own interests -- are on the fast-track to extinction... ...as clearly indicated by this recent election.
Why did I imagine giant Sentinels crafted in the image of Harry Reid picking off every last conservative remaining, Days Of Future Past style when I read this post?
audi:
AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
Also Forbes researched whether ObamaCares would kill jobs ...here're the facts read the entire article and click the links to the study and read that. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/ people who believe the lies about ObamaCares killing jobs have been suckered yet again
As we speak, layoffs and closures are happening. Obamacare is killing jobs, you can continue to deny it, but it is happening.
Did RomneyCare kill jobs in Massachusetts?
No
Exactly, they're revenge firings and will backfire on the greedy, lying repubs.
Yepper! So much nonsense from angry males ... who know that the power-shift is fastly leaving their grasp. "Mwwwwwuh-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-aaaaaaaaaahhhhh!"
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Andy_Shofar:
A number of people in this thread make fun or light of those with whom they disagree (they "cut up" others - it's slang: not proper English). So I really could have said, no matter how much you cut me up I am among a significat number of American's who prefered not Obama. Well the news here has been that that the Obama administration helped arm many of the militia groups - to take change the existing ruling powers (Egypt; Libya, & some other hot spots). The arming of rebel groups was extensive in Egypt & Libya. Women (for example) now have less rights in Egypt & Libya in 2012 than what they had in 2008 and prior. I personally hold Obama responsible (in part) for the loss of women's rights in parts of the Middle East.
Make fun of is an understatement. The hatred directed at you personally is incredible. Fortunately, your leaders are calmer than their supporters. One could say most Americans preferred not Obama since there was 50% to 60% voter turnout and of those 60% at most, only 50% voted for Obama. However, whoever wins is the winner, regardless of turnout. If only 3 Americans vote, the person who gets 2 votes is the winner. The United States has a history of arming militia groups around the world. This has been the policy of Democrats and Republicans. They armed not only opposition groups in Egypt, Libya and etc, they armed the previous regimes. Egypt was and is paid large sums in military grants. Egypt and Libya are currently in transition and it is unknowable what will next happen. Should they become more democratic, we may assume women will have greater equality. This will not be dependent on the American president.
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21st Century Paul:
I keep on saying than the Dems and the Reps agree on most economic stuff. Not on political stuff, just like happens here. They may disagree on gay marriage, abortion, wars, etc. but not on economy. Cause they're united by the Big Corporations, they have that in common... and Big Corporations don't care about gay marriage, abortion or things like that, I mean civil rights cause business or profits are not much related to it.... but they care about economy the way they care. Does gay marriage have some effect on the big banks, the oil companies, Wal-mart, the software companies, the car companies...? Pretty much NO. But a law over the environment, for instance will matter to oil companies. A law over the internet to the software ones. A law about the economy to the banks, so on. That's where the corporations/Wall street rules. They openly say they "support both parties". In our time is corporations who have the power (because we give them so), except for things they just don't care about, those things they can't sell or buy. But corporations are nothing but people, they're not some kind of monsters. Kind of ordinary people that happen to have more possessions that the average person whatever the cause. Only is not that easy, a corporation is legally a person, and it has even more rights than a normal person (Limited liability, easier access to credit, less "punishability", just compare the number of people in jails with the number of corporation closed by the government...). It doesn't have a conscience or morals (the ones ruling it can have it but not the corporation itself but it is a person anyway) but they have rights and power. Yet it has more power than the people with conscience and morals, etc. We people are just second class citizens. Corporations are the first class and we are subordinates. Even Bill Gates is a subordinate.
This is why American elections are dominated by distractions. When people speak more about binders of women and birth certificates, they speak less about how much control those corporations have.