Set List critique
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Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
The three McCartney shows I attended in 2017 WERE NOT in baseball stadiums with 40,000 fans. They were in enclosed arenas with 15,000 fans. Check the facts Bruce. Austin 2018 was outdoors, yes, but the acoustics were very good and yes, Paul sounded great. IMO, reality is ACTUALLY attending a concert in person and making a sound decision, instead of listening to a cell phone recording from the 50th row. Yes, his voice is weaker, duh, but the shows are still incredible; exciting, thoughtful, loud, and thrilling.
No, the sound is not better in a basketball arena, fer god's sake. They're not designed for acoustics. The echo and crowd noise cover a multitude of sins. But if you prefer imaginary Paul to real Paul, go and enjoy. I prefer to treasure the memories of when he sounded decent.
100% correct
Aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion?
What venues have you ever seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues ?
I much prefer indoor to outdoor concerts. There I see a considerable difference in the quality of the sound, not his voice, the overall sound.
The only non sporting arenas or outdoor venues I can remember seeing him perform at were Grand Central Terminal (not built for acoustics), The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel Las Vegas (i believe it's just for concerts) and Irving Plaza in NY. I have seen him often and in comparing these locations to arenas the main difference's, they were obviously smaller, the sound was clearer and a little louder, no difference in voice quality. That's about it.
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that. I don't miss the opportunity to see him as often as possible, obviously I really enjoy his concerts. If you don't think his voice is worth going to see than that's your opinion, but he is still selling a lot of tickets all over the world, so his shows are still in demand, why should he stop now, or retire soon?
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In KC, the Sprint Center averages about SIX days of basketball games and over THIRTY-FIVE concerts. I know several engineers that were part of the construction of this site and one of their main concerns were acoustics. Sooo, the Sprint Center (and several other new arenas being built) are focusing on acoustics much more than say 20 years ago. Many artists have commented on the excellent acoustics at the Sprint Center in KC, to include Garth Brooks, McCartney, AC/DC, KISS, etc. The Sprint Center is just not a "basketball arena"; it is much, much more.
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Nancy R wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
Where are BJ, Yankeefan, Bruce M and others complaining about him singing the same songs at all his concerts? It wouldn't be fair to the first leg of the new tour if they missed out on a bunch of new offerings, would it. Looks like they're not missing out.
BJ has posted recently, but not since the Chile concert, Yankeefan told me he’s taking a break from the board, and Bruce just put his 2 cents in yesterday.
Hi Nancy !! What better day to check back in then April Fool's Day - lol. I got up this morning and checked out setlist from South American shows and it was sadly as I expected. No real changes except for the expected "Back In Brazil" which really was not one of my favorites from Egypt Station. I also listened to a few you tube clips and was not impressed with the vocal quality of McCartney.
Well, back to retirement life (got two cruises scheduled this year) and I will check in again sometime in May when the US part of tour begins. I truly doubt there will be any changes on this leg of the tour but we will see. I believe you are going to one of the concerts so I hope you have great time !!
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
Where are BJ, Yankeefan, Bruce M and others complaining about him singing the same songs at all his concerts? It wouldn't be fair to the first leg of the new tour if they missed out on a bunch of new offerings, would it. Looks like they're not missing out.
BJ has posted recently, but not since the Chile concert, Yankeefan told me he’s taking a break from the board, and Bruce just put his 2 cents in yesterday.
Hi Nancy !! What better day to check back in then April Fool's Day - lol. I got up this morning and checked out setlist from South American shows and it was sadly as I expected. No real changes except for the expected "Back In Brazil" which really was not one of my favorites from Egypt Station. I also listened to a few you tube clips and was not impressed with the vocal quality of McCartney.
Well, back to retirement life (got two cruises scheduled this year) and I will check in again sometime in May when the US part of tour begins. I truly doubt there will be any changes on this leg of the tour but we will see. I believe you are going to one of the concerts so I hope you have great time !!
Welcome back! Yeah, you didn’t miss too much. Lol! Where are you going to on your cruises? I may go on the Flower Power 2020 cruise - have to reserve a cabin almost a year in advance! The 2019 FP cruise is on this week and several of my friends are on it. Yes, going to see Paul May 30th in Greenville. Prior to that is 5 days at AROTR!
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Nancy R wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
Where are BJ, Yankeefan, Bruce M and others complaining about him singing the same songs at all his concerts? It wouldn't be fair to the first leg of the new tour if they missed out on a bunch of new offerings, would it. Looks like they're not missing out.
BJ has posted recently, but not since the Chile concert, Yankeefan told me he’s taking a break from the board, and Bruce just put his 2 cents in yesterday.
Hi Nancy !! What better day to check back in then April Fool's Day - lol. I got up this morning and checked out setlist from South American shows and it was sadly as I expected. No real changes except for the expected "Back In Brazil" which really was not one of my favorites from Egypt Station. I also listened to a few you tube clips and was not impressed with the vocal quality of McCartney.
Well, back to retirement life (got two cruises scheduled this year) and I will check in again sometime in May when the US part of tour begins. I truly doubt there will be any changes on this leg of the tour but we will see. I believe you are going to one of the concerts so I hope you have great time !!
Welcome back! Yeah, you didn’t miss too much. Lol! Where are you going to on your cruises? I may go on the Flower Power 2020 cruise - have to reserve a cabin almost a year in advance! The 2019 FP cruise is on this week and several of my friends are on it. Yes, going to see Paul May 30th in Greenville. Prior to that is 5 days at AROTR!
Just checking PM I received and saw your reply. Going on short cruise that will stop in Key West and Cuba in May. Going on cruise in September that leaves from Rome Italy and goes to Greece. Will come back to Rome and then stay in Italy for a few more days. Both cruises are RC, have fun !!
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forget 64 wrote:
Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
The three McCartney shows I attended in 2017 WERE NOT in baseball stadiums with 40,000 fans. They were in enclosed arenas with 15,000 fans. Check the facts Bruce. Austin 2018 was outdoors, yes, but the acoustics were very good and yes, Paul sounded great. IMO, reality is ACTUALLY attending a concert in person and making a sound decision, instead of listening to a cell phone recording from the 50th row. Yes, his voice is weaker, duh, but the shows are still incredible; exciting, thoughtful, loud, and thrilling.
No, the sound is not better in a basketball arena, fer god's sake. They're not designed for acoustics. The echo and crowd noise cover a multitude of sins. But if you prefer imaginary Paul to real Paul, go and enjoy. I prefer to treasure the memories of when he sounded decent.
100% correct
Aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion?
What venues have you ever seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues ?
I much prefer indoor to outdoor concerts. There I see a considerable difference in the quality of the sound, not his voice, the overall sound.
The only non sporting arenas or outdoor venues I can remember seeing him perform at were Grand Central Terminal (not built for acoustics), The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel Las Vegas (i believe it's just for concerts) and Irving Plaza in NY. I have seen him often and in comparing these locations to arenas the main difference's, they were obviously smaller, the sound was clearer and a little louder, no difference in voice quality. That's about it.
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that. I don't miss the opportunity to see him as often as possible, obviously I really enjoy his concerts. If you don't think his voice is worth going to see than that's your opinion, but he is still selling a lot of tickets all over the world, so his shows are still in demand, why should he stop now, or retire soon?
So after all the smoke and mirrors fade, you admitted the point I was making all along:
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that.
Paul's voice is a shadow of what it was and we all know it. If you're able to ignore that in the din of a concert, go with my blessing. And I'll say it again: He should retire before he truly starts to embarrass himself, and that point is getting close, whether some fans choose to admit it or not.
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
Where are BJ, Yankeefan, Bruce M and others complaining about him singing the same songs at all his concerts? It wouldn't be fair to the first leg of the new tour if they missed out on a bunch of new offerings, would it. Looks like they're not missing out.
BJ has posted recently, but not since the Chile concert, Yankeefan told me he’s taking a break from the board, and Bruce just put his 2 cents in yesterday.
Hi Nancy !! What better day to check back in then April Fool's Day - lol. I got up this morning and checked out setlist from South American shows and it was sadly as I expected. No real changes except for the expected "Back In Brazil" which really was not one of my favorites from Egypt Station. I also listened to a few you tube clips and was not impressed with the vocal quality of McCartney.
Well, back to retirement life (got two cruises scheduled this year) and I will check in again sometime in May when the US part of tour begins. I truly doubt there will be any changes on this leg of the tour but we will see. I believe you are going to one of the concerts so I hope you have great time !!
Welcome back! Yeah, you didn’t miss too much. Lol! Where are you going to on your cruises? I may go on the Flower Power 2020 cruise - have to reserve a cabin almost a year in advance! The 2019 FP cruise is on this week and several of my friends are on it. Yes, going to see Paul May 30th in Greenville. Prior to that is 5 days at AROTR!
Just checking PM I received and saw your reply. Going on short cruise that will stop in Key West and Cuba in May. Going on cruise in September that leaves from Rome Italy and goes to Greece. Will come back to Rome and then stay in Italy for a few more days. Both cruises are RC, have fun !!
I love RC! Flower Power is Celebrity and not quite as nice. Had to ask for eggcrate on mattress, it was so hard!
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Now almost 2 month of stop. I hope that for the Usa tour he will add some little news on the setlist.
My wish list: I wanna hold your hand - Maxwell sivler hammer and Martha my dear.
But I know that nothing will change
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Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
Pyro failure!
I don’t think it was a failure. Maybe they weren’t allowed to use it at that venue.
Just read on another forum "It was a technical error. There was an air gap in the pyro system, so it went into emergency stop."
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
Where are BJ, Yankeefan, Bruce M and others complaining about him singing the same songs at all his concerts? It wouldn't be fair to the first leg of the new tour if they missed out on a bunch of new offerings, would it. Looks like they're not missing out.
BJ has posted recently, but not since the Chile concert, Yankeefan told me he’s taking a break from the board, and Bruce just put his 2 cents in yesterday.
Hi Nancy !! What better day to check back in then April Fool's Day - lol. I got up this morning and checked out setlist from South American shows and it was sadly as I expected. No real changes except for the expected "Back In Brazil" which really was not one of my favorites from Egypt Station. I also listened to a few you tube clips and was not impressed with the vocal quality of McCartney.
Well, back to retirement life (got two cruises scheduled this year) and I will check in again sometime in May when the US part of tour begins. I truly doubt there will be any changes on this leg of the tour but we will see. I believe you are going to one of the concerts so I hope you have great time !!
Yankeefan...welcome back.
I had my hopes up when during the soundcheck of the first show (Chile) Paul and Band played a few more ES songs...Happy With You, Confidante, I Don't know and what you referenced Back in Brazil. That would have made 7 ES songs if he had played them in concert. That's what I was "hopefully" predicting (I think I said 7 or 8).
My only theory is that someone (or multiple) people possibly told Paul that he and/or the Band didn't sound good on those songs. He was also playing I Don't Know at a few of the Soundchecks last year and he never did play it any of the actual shows either.
Like you I will wait for the first couple of US shows to see if he decides at that point to add a few more ES songs. The Chile show did prove that he was at least thinking about more ES songs for his setlist. I think Bruce had it right all along that Back in Brazil was strictly for the South American audience. I think Back in Brazil is a good album cut but I would much rather hear the other 3 songs I mentioned above rather than "Brazil". I still think the most overlooked ES song that Paul hasn't played to this point is "Dominoes". I love that song and so does my wife who is not necessarily a Paul fan like we are. The other day we were in Panera Bread and Dominoes came on their playlist. My wife immediately said that is Paul's song. It certainly hit a chord with her.
I'll just see if he goes through with adding more ES songs for the US shows. I'm not holding my breathe. Like you, my wife and I are already looking at a couple of trips. Since our new grandson and daughter lives in the Boston area we are looking at a New England Canada cruise that goes into Maine, Nova Scotia, Quebec City, Montreal etc. The nice thing is that it starts and ends in Boston. We could see the family before and after the trip. The other one is Western Canada that is partly on train and goes through the Canadian Rockies and ends in Vancouver. At the end of the trip we could stay a few days in Vancouver and easily see Vancouver Island and Seatle.
If Paul just stays with the same setlist, I would much rather save that money and use it towards the above trips. I'm not mad at Paul and he is still my favorite music artist. I just have to look at the facts. His voice isn't nearly what it once was and his setlist is totally stale. I'm not knocking any of the fellow boardies that still go to the shows and have a great time. This is just my feeling at this point.
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Bruce M. wrote:
forget 64 wrote:
Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
The three McCartney shows I attended in 2017 WERE NOT in baseball stadiums with 40,000 fans. They were in enclosed arenas with 15,000 fans. Check the facts Bruce. Austin 2018 was outdoors, yes, but the acoustics were very good and yes, Paul sounded great. IMO, reality is ACTUALLY attending a concert in person and making a sound decision, instead of listening to a cell phone recording from the 50th row. Yes, his voice is weaker, duh, but the shows are still incredible; exciting, thoughtful, loud, and thrilling.
No, the sound is not better in a basketball arena, fer god's sake. They're not designed for acoustics. The echo and crowd noise cover a multitude of sins. But if you prefer imaginary Paul to real Paul, go and enjoy. I prefer to treasure the memories of when he sounded decent.
100% correct
Aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion?
What venues have you ever seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues ?
I much prefer indoor to outdoor concerts. There I see a considerable difference in the quality of the sound, not his voice, the overall sound.
The only non sporting arenas or outdoor venues I can remember seeing him perform at were Grand Central Terminal (not built for acoustics), The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel Las Vegas (i believe it's just for concerts) and Irving Plaza in NY. I have seen him often and in comparing these locations to arenas the main difference's, they were obviously smaller, the sound was clearer and a little louder, no difference in voice quality. That's about it.
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that. I don't miss the opportunity to see him as often as possible, obviously I really enjoy his concerts. If you don't think his voice is worth going to see than that's your opinion, but he is still selling a lot of tickets all over the world, so his shows are still in demand, why should he stop now, or retire soon?
So after all the smoke and mirrors fade, you admitted the point I was making all along:
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that.
Paul's voice is a shadow of what it was and we all know it. If you're able to ignore that in the din of a concert, go with my blessing. And I'll say it again: He should retire before he truly starts to embarrass himself, and that point is getting close, whether some fans choose to admit it or not.
No Bruce, I did not admit the point you were making all along, I obviously do not agree with you. He doesnt't sound like he did in his younger days is no where near his voice is a shadow of what it was, is that what you really got out of it??? If you expect him to sound like he did when he was younger then there is no point in debating that with you. That is just not rational, is that what you expect from a man in his 70's ?
Once again aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion? I didn't see a response to that question. "no the sound is not better in a basketball arena for God sakes, they're are not designed for acoustics" I believe you wrote
What venues have you seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues?
You are entitled to your opinion about him retiring, but once again if he is selling out to mostly great reviews your opinion is certainly in the minority.
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oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
Pyro failure!
I don’t think it was a failure. Maybe they weren’t allowed to use it at that venue.
Just read on another forum "It was a technical error. There was an air gap in the pyro system, so it went into emergency stop."
Wow - good to know they have that safety measure in place!
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forget 64 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
forget 64 wrote:
Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
The three McCartney shows I attended in 2017 WERE NOT in baseball stadiums with 40,000 fans. They were in enclosed arenas with 15,000 fans. Check the facts Bruce. Austin 2018 was outdoors, yes, but the acoustics were very good and yes, Paul sounded great. IMO, reality is ACTUALLY attending a concert in person and making a sound decision, instead of listening to a cell phone recording from the 50th row. Yes, his voice is weaker, duh, but the shows are still incredible; exciting, thoughtful, loud, and thrilling.
No, the sound is not better in a basketball arena, fer god's sake. They're not designed for acoustics. The echo and crowd noise cover a multitude of sins. But if you prefer imaginary Paul to real Paul, go and enjoy. I prefer to treasure the memories of when he sounded decent.
100% correct
Aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion?
What venues have you ever seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues ?
I much prefer indoor to outdoor concerts. There I see a considerable difference in the quality of the sound, not his voice, the overall sound.
The only non sporting arenas or outdoor venues I can remember seeing him perform at were Grand Central Terminal (not built for acoustics), The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel Las Vegas (i believe it's just for concerts) and Irving Plaza in NY. I have seen him often and in comparing these locations to arenas the main difference's, they were obviously smaller, the sound was clearer and a little louder, no difference in voice quality. That's about it.
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that. I don't miss the opportunity to see him as often as possible, obviously I really enjoy his concerts. If you don't think his voice is worth going to see than that's your opinion, but he is still selling a lot of tickets all over the world, so his shows are still in demand, why should he stop now, or retire soon?
So after all the smoke and mirrors fade, you admitted the point I was making all along:
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that.
Paul's voice is a shadow of what it was and we all know it. If you're able to ignore that in the din of a concert, go with my blessing. And I'll say it again: He should retire before he truly starts to embarrass himself, and that point is getting close, whether some fans choose to admit it or not.
No Bruce, I did not admit the point you were making all along, I obviously do not agree with you. He doesnt't sound like he did in his younger days is no where near his voice is a shadow of what it was, is that what you really got out of it??? If you expect him to sound like he did when he was younger then there is no point in debating that with you. That is just not rational, is that what you expect from a man in his 70's ?
Once again aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion? I didn't see a response to that question. "no the sound is not better in a basketball arena for God sakes, they're are not designed for acoustics" I believe you wrote
What venues have you seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues?
You are entitled to your opinion about him retiring, but once again if he is selling out to mostly great reviews your opinion is certainly in the minority.
Most recognize his voice won't sound the same as it did at age 25. Thats fine. What Bruce is trying to say(i dont want to speak for him) and myself as well is it sounds bad for any age. It is very wobbily. Even his speaking voice is shaky. It doesn't matter if you are watching a youtube clip or witnessing it live.
To say he sounds "great" is not being honest. He doesn't sound great. Abe is doing most of the lead vocals, and Paul is more of a guiding vocal. One only needs to hear the first few bars of Maybe Im Amazed to know it isn't good.
By the time the tour hits the US, ES will be a distant memory for most. Don't expect any surprises. I am sitting this tour out, as it isn't worth the $$$ at this point to hear the same songs and stories over and over and over. Embarrassing.
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Maccaroni1974 wrote:
forget 64 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
forget 64 wrote:
Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
The three McCartney shows I attended in 2017 WERE NOT in baseball stadiums with 40,000 fans. They were in enclosed arenas with 15,000 fans. Check the facts Bruce. Austin 2018 was outdoors, yes, but the acoustics were very good and yes, Paul sounded great. IMO, reality is ACTUALLY attending a concert in person and making a sound decision, instead of listening to a cell phone recording from the 50th row. Yes, his voice is weaker, duh, but the shows are still incredible; exciting, thoughtful, loud, and thrilling.
No, the sound is not better in a basketball arena, fer god's sake. They're not designed for acoustics. The echo and crowd noise cover a multitude of sins. But if you prefer imaginary Paul to real Paul, go and enjoy. I prefer to treasure the memories of when he sounded decent.
100% correct
Aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion?
What venues have you ever seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues ?
I much prefer indoor to outdoor concerts. There I see a considerable difference in the quality of the sound, not his voice, the overall sound.
The only non sporting arenas or outdoor venues I can remember seeing him perform at were Grand Central Terminal (not built for acoustics), The Joint at the Hard Rock Hotel Las Vegas (i believe it's just for concerts) and Irving Plaza in NY. I have seen him often and in comparing these locations to arenas the main difference's, they were obviously smaller, the sound was clearer and a little louder, no difference in voice quality. That's about it.
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that. I don't miss the opportunity to see him as often as possible, obviously I really enjoy his concerts. If you don't think his voice is worth going to see than that's your opinion, but he is still selling a lot of tickets all over the world, so his shows are still in demand, why should he stop now, or retire soon?
So after all the smoke and mirrors fade, you admitted the point I was making all along:
Of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days no rational person would expect that.
Paul's voice is a shadow of what it was and we all know it. If you're able to ignore that in the din of a concert, go with my blessing. And I'll say it again: He should retire before he truly starts to embarrass himself, and that point is getting close, whether some fans choose to admit it or not.
No Bruce, I did not admit the point you were making all along, I obviously do not agree with you. He doesnt't sound like he did in his younger days is no where near his voice is a shadow of what it was, is that what you really got out of it??? If you expect him to sound like he did when he was younger then there is no point in debating that with you. That is just not rational, is that what you expect from a man in his 70's ?
Once again aren't you listening to a recording from the same venues to form your opinion? I didn't see a response to that question. "no the sound is not better in a basketball arena for God sakes, they're are not designed for acoustics" I believe you wrote
What venues have you seen him in other than indoor, usually sports arenas and outdoor venues?
You are entitled to your opinion about him retiring, but once again if he is selling out to mostly great reviews your opinion is certainly in the minority.
Most recognize his voice won't sound the same as it did at age 25. Thats fine. What Bruce is trying to say(i dont want to speak for him) and myself as well is it sounds bad for any age. It is very wobbily. Even his speaking voice is shaky. It doesn't matter if you are watching a youtube clip or witnessing it live.
To say he sounds "great" is not being honest. He doesn't sound great. Abe is doing most of the lead vocals, and Paul is more of a guiding vocal. One only needs to hear the first few bars of Maybe Im Amazed to know it isn't good.
By the time the tour hits the US, ES will be a distant memory for most. Don't expect any surprises. I am sitting this tour out, as it isn't worth the $$$ at this point to hear the same songs and stories over and over and over. Embarrassing.
If you are putting down the the venue Paul is performing at then it only makes sense that the youtube recording of the venue that Bruce is listening to, that he feels has bad sound and acoustics, has to be of lesser quality than listening to it live. That's why I asked him to clarify that.
You can have the opinion it sounds bad for any age, you are certainly entitled to it, I don't agree. To support my opinion I pointed out Paul still is playing to sold out shows and good to great reviews all over the world. So my statement was why should he stop??
You said most recognize that his voice won't sound the same as it did at 25, which is true. Bruce took my statement that of course he doesn't sound like he did in his younger days, no rational person would expect that as I admitted his point that Paul's voice is a shadow of what it was. So there's a BIG difference from most recognize that his voice won't sound the same as it did at 25 and Bruce's conclusion.
I would love to hear some of my favorite songs played live, but since I have been seeing him he only changes a few and to me the concerts are still well worth the price of admission. That's why I go. I know what to expect. Most are attending his concerts for the first time so they enjoy the stories. I've seen him a lot and I don't mind the stories at all. I'm looking forward to seeing him again.
I think we are guilty of getting off topic because this is a set list critique and not a debate about his voice. We are not going to change each others opinion and that is fine.
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B J Conlee wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
Where are BJ, Yankeefan, Bruce M and others complaining about him singing the same songs at all his concerts? It wouldn't be fair to the first leg of the new tour if they missed out on a bunch of new offerings, would it. Looks like they're not missing out.
BJ has posted recently, but not since the Chile concert, Yankeefan told me he’s taking a break from the board, and Bruce just put his 2 cents in yesterday.
Hi Nancy !! What better day to check back in then April Fool's Day - lol. I got up this morning and checked out setlist from South American shows and it was sadly as I expected. No real changes except for the expected "Back In Brazil" which really was not one of my favorites from Egypt Station. I also listened to a few you tube clips and was not impressed with the vocal quality of McCartney.
Well, back to retirement life (got two cruises scheduled this year) and I will check in again sometime in May when the US part of tour begins. I truly doubt there will be any changes on this leg of the tour but we will see. I believe you are going to one of the concerts so I hope you have great time !!
Yankeefan...welcome back.
I had my hopes up when during the soundcheck of the first show (Chile) Paul and Band played a few more ES songs...Happy With You, Confidante, I Don't know and what you referenced Back in Brazil. That would have made 7 ES songs if he had played them in concert. That's what I was "hopefully" predicting (I think I said 7 or 8).
My only theory is that someone (or multiple) people possibly told Paul that he and/or the Band didn't sound good on those songs. He was also playing I Don't Know at a few of the Soundchecks last year and he never did play it any of the actual shows either.
Like you I will wait for the first couple of US shows to see if he decides at that point to add a few more ES songs. The Chile show did prove that he was at least thinking about more ES songs for his setlist. I think Bruce had it right all along that Back in Brazil was strictly for the South American audience. I think Back in Brazil is a good album cut but I would much rather hear the other 3 songs I mentioned above rather than "Brazil". I still think the most overlooked ES song that Paul hasn't played to this point is "Dominoes". I love that song and so does my wife who is not necessarily a Paul fan like we are. The other day we were in Panera Bread and Dominoes came on their playlist. My wife immediately said that is Paul's song. It certainly hit a chord with her.
I'll just see if he goes through with adding more ES songs for the US shows. I'm not holding my breathe. Like you, my wife and I are already looking at a couple of trips. Since our new grandson and daughter lives in the Boston area we are looking at a New England Canada cruise that goes into Maine, Nova Scotia, Quebec City, Montreal etc. The nice thing is that it starts and ends in Boston. We could see the family before and after the trip. The other one is Western Canada that is partly on train and goes through the Canadian Rockies and ends in Vancouver. At the end of the trip we could stay a few days in Vancouver and easily see Vancouver Island and Seatle.
If Paul just stays with the same setlist, I would much rather save that money and use it towards the above trips. I'm not mad at Paul and he is still my favorite music artist. I just have to look at the facts. His voice isn't nearly what it once was and his setlist is totally stale. I'm not knocking any of the fellow boardies that still go to the shows and have a great time. This is just my feeling at this point.
BJ, I think we both knew that not much would change and I am willing to bet US tour will be the same old set list as now. My wife is basically a very casual solo McCartney "fan"and the only two songs that she has visibly showed she liked when I play Egypt Station is "Who Cares" and "Dominoes". Your trips sound great and Western Canada is so pretty. My wife and I were in Victoria and Vancouver in 2018 and loved it !! BTW - will you go to Red Sox game in Boston ? -lol I was to Montreal once but I was pretty young and really don't remember much, I am sure you will love it.
Seattle is also a neat city, I was there many years ago (1984) for the NCAA Final Four (with friends from work) and then got to go back last year with my wife on our trip. If you want great pictures of the city of Seattle, go to the Sky View Observatory and not the Space Needle. It is much cheapier and you can get pictures of Seattle with the Space Needle in it. You get your hand stamped and admission is good for the whole day. This was neat because I got to take day and night pictures !! I will also recommend the Musuem Of Pop culture which is fun and it is close to the Space Needle so you can see two things in the same area. Pikes Place Market is also fun to see and do some shopping. Seattle is having a bit of a homeless problem but nobody bothered us when we saw them.
Finally, I would save your money for your trips instead of folking over a few hundred dollars to see McCartney at this stage. Like you said, set list and stories are stale and his voice is not what it was. Unless your wife is dying to see him, than save the money and spoil the grandkids - ha ha. Not much new to say on this board so will only check in once in a while. I just wanted to respond to your post. Have fun and be well !!!
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October 1976 and Wings played their final shows of the 1975 / 1976 world tour at Wembley, performing a 30 song set.
Fast forward three years and one month to November 1979 and Wings were playing their final (UK) tour with a 22 song set.
Of those 22 songs, only 4 ( Maybe I'm Amazed, Go Now, Yesterday & Band On The Run) had been performed in the 1976 shows. Oh for the good old days when Paul would create almost completely new sets, even though he had a lot less material to choose from compared to what he has now.
But to be fair, in 1979 Paul was only 37 years of age and now he's 76 pushing 77 so perhaps it is asking a lot of him to learn a bunch of new songs?
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BUT...if he did more songs off the last few albums he released he really wouldn't have to "learn" that much!
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oobu24 wrote:
BUT...if he did more songs off the last few albums he released he really wouldn't have to "learn" that much!
BUT...what's his incentive? Just rehearsing one new song to be added to the set is all work that he doesn't need to do. Its another lyric he has to remember, more chords he needs to remember and for a guy who's closer to 80 than to 70, its all extra hassle he can well do without. The closer Paul can stick to a bunch of songs that he can perform in his sleep the easier it is for him. Its only a very tiny minority (of us?) who are unhappy with Paul playing the same old songs. The vast majority of his audience are quite happy with his current set, as indicated by his shows being a consistantly sold out.
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Yes, you're correct on all those points. He's not gonna change at this stage of his life. I just wish I would be able to hear him perform more of the music he has released in the last few decades. AS you said "The vast majority of his audience are quite happy with his current set" and they don't even know how vast his catalog really is.
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Kestrel wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
BUT...if he did more songs off the last few albums he released he really wouldn't have to "learn" that much!
BUT...what's his incentive? Just rehearsing one new song to be added to the set is all work that he doesn't need to do. Its another lyric he has to remember, more chords he needs to remember and for a guy who's closer to 80 than to 70, its all extra hassle he can well do without. The closer Paul can stick to a bunch of songs that he can perform in his sleep the easier it is for him. Its only a very tiny minority (of us?) who are unhappy with Paul playing the same old songs. The vast majority of his audience are quite happy with his current set, as indicated by his shows being a consistantly sold out.
Like BJ and myself stated, McCartney should have been doing more solo songs when he started touring again with Driving Rain album. He had brand new touring band, had not toured in almost a decade and several new albums with songs he had never played live since the last time he toured. Sadly, he did not take the opportunity to really embrace his solo career and we got more Beatle songs. It is way too late for him to change at this point but him not doing more Egypt Station songs is disappointing because it is his current album and he should know them -lol.