They couldnt stand one another at the end. John told him not to show up at his doorstep anymore. That says it all.
Posts made by Maccaroni1974
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RE: Were Paul McCartney and John Lennon Best Friends?
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RE: Ringo’s new album featuring Paul on “Grow Old With Me”
Ringo's albums and his new single are horrible. I can only imagine what they did to the Lennon song. Should be avoided.
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RE: Who Sang the "A-h-h-hs" in "A Day in the Life"...?
Good grief whose gonna read through all that. Not me thats for sure. A simple I disagree would have sufficed.
Emerick clearly remembers Paul wearing a blue shirt during the ADITL session, but Giles and Okell say it was red? Please get back to us as to who is correct on this! HURRY!
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RE: Who Sang the "A-h-h-hs" in "A Day in the Life"...?
nobodytoldme wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
McCartney sang it. There are many examples of McCartney singing these notes in this style in his recording catalogue, and no examples of Lennon singing these notes in this style.
Apart from this, there is also technical evidence. It's proven to be one take, no audible edit, and you can hear McCartney smoothly finishing his last note to do a breath inhale after his first bit. Same vocalist at the same mic.
Have you read the rest of this thread? Agree to disagree.
I did. It's a decade old discussion to which I contributed extensively at various places, haha.
Geoff Emerick indeed can be dismissed instantly. It's true he had to rely on ghostwriters to fill in the gaps for his book, so not a single detail can be relied on. Already in interviews from the 70's he often answered "I can't remember" when asked about certain sessions. And then 30 years later he suddenly remembers all in detail...
Besides this it's clear: his whole recollection of this session is technically impossible and easily proven wrong by listening to the multi-tracks.
For example, it's proven that there is no edit in the vocal take until Lennon's original verse vocal comes back in again. With the vocal takes naturally going smoothly into each other ("and I went into a dream", same vocalist doing a breath inhale, and that vocalist then going into the next bit) it's impossible that this was done by two different vocalists. Emerick's ghostwriter made up some story about having to do a hard edit on the spot for two different takes. Impossible at the time, and the multi-tracks prove that's not what happened.
Youre again stretching the truth, and Ill post what somebody else posted in the SHF about how IMPOSSIBLE it was to edit the tracks: see below
Lets clear a few things up:
1. Claim-It was impossible for the "aaahs" to be recorded separately from Pauls "woke up" section as there are no audible punch ins/outs.
TRUTH-That claim is 100% BS! The entire album was deemed to be impossible at the time starting with Strawberry Fields which was in 2 different keys and 2 different tempos. A lesser crew of engineers WOULD have declared it impossible, but not the Beatles team. There is no audible punch in because the breath after "dream" is clipped or tape manipulated. It even sounds like part of the breath is clipped off as well which jives with 100% Emericks story. Paul put that in on purpose so the engineers knew when to drop that vocal in. There are tons of recordings that clip sounds that leave no trace, or very little that the tape has been clipped. Do you all really think ADITL is the only song of all the songs by all the artists of that time frame that used some form of studio trickery!!?? Every song from that era would be littered with audible noises and popping sounds. Some are left in, as they can be masked with instrumentation and other studio trickery. However, any engineer worth his salt will take the time to make these inaudible if need be.
2. Claim-Pauls Woke up section had to be recorded in one take with the "aahs"
TRUTH- I literally laughed out loud when I read that. Somebody suggested that all the engineers had to do was "flip a switch" to create the echo during the aahhs on Pauls mic. Not only is that an ignorant comment, its an arrogant comment. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aah section echo had to be planned,practiced and set perfectly to create the echo/reverb we hear. The mic would have been separate from the one Paul was singing on. It would have been setup to the reverb/echo that the final recording shows. You don't just go from singing "dream" then in a millisecond the engineer flips a switch and magically the perfect recording of "aaah" happens. Yet some of you delusional people think thats what happened. There is a reason Pepper took 400 hours to record. Most of those hours were production hours not Beatles hours. It takes a long time to record a section like this to get everything right. If Paul was singing this in one take, he would have had to sing "dream", then in a split second move over to a pre set mic to begin his "aahs". Unlikely. This also leads me to believe Emericks account.
Claim: Okell, several others say its Paul. Pro tools blah blah Some guy Linkedin Lush lol though didnt post a screen shot. Giles says its John. They deal with the tapes so their opinion is most credible.
TRUTH: Another joke. Sorry,but guys who weren't there are only speculating on who sang what or who played what. Most of these experts, while thorough in their research are only speculating like we are on a thread like this. The only "smoking gun" in this is Emericks interview. Ive read his memory sucks and his co writer made up all this stuff. I am not familiar with his co writer, but most co writers probably wouldn't know how to make a story up about a punch in or out. Its such an insignificant thing to make up. Nor would they bring up another persons name(richard lush) who could easily refute the claim. Its such a small detail that I find it difficult to believe a person would spend anytime concocting a punch in, as if that anecdote would help it sell anymore copies.
Claim: Emerick's story may be right but he doesn't remember who sang the vocal.
Truthossible. I don't know if he claims to be there when that section was recorded. If he wasn't in the room, than we can't say for sure his recollection of who sang that part is accurate.
Overall, I believe Emericks description is accurate as to how this section was recorded based on my explanations above. I could care less about all of your opinions that you try to present as fact. I know many of you will cry, and say "it impossible". To which I say...no it ain't. I also could care less what Emerick has forgotten in the past. Do all of you remember every detail of your job for the last 30 years??? It was probably John that sang the "aahs" based on the fact Emerick's description on the recording process makes sense. However, without him confirming he was there during that session we can't say 100%
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RE: Who Sang the "A-h-h-hs" in "A Day in the Life"...?
nobodytoldme wrote:
Maccaroni1974 wrote:
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Geoff Emerick explains its John starting at 23min mark. Giles also explains its John starting at 26 min mark-I hate to dismiss the legend Geoff Emerick is, but what he's saying over there doesn't align with what is documented in paper and on audio. The evidence on the multi-tracks - which by the way "leaked" in raw form a decade ago - hasn't been altered in the last 50+ years, but memories can be.
Read this interview with Geoff Emerick from 1979: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/beatlesrecording/GeoffEmerick1979.html
He didn't remember a thing in 1979. Which I can imagine, and which isn't weird at all. He was there in the heat of the moment, in the middle of the creativity, no blame there. But skim through it, and see how many times he literally says things like "it's difficult to recall details of specific sessions so many years on, they sort of blur together" and "that's really going back quite a few years, it's a bit difficult to recall, actually..." (little over a decade on).
On top of that, he's already in 1979 erroneously talking about easily verifiable things like how 'Eleanor Rigby' was McCartney solo on acoustic guitar (as we know from just putting on the song it wasn't) before he corrects himself, he's talking about 'Revolver' being the first album on 4-track (it's a fact 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' 2,5 years earlier was the first 4-track session), he's talking about 'Pepper' barely have any tape bounces and the most they ever did is one tape bounce at the time (it's on paper almost every song on 'Pepper' received multiple tape bounces).
On 'A Day In The Life' he said in the same interview from 1979, while being asked whether Lennon or McCartney played piano on that song: "Sorry, no. Haven't a clue. It was basically John's song, I think, so it might have been him. I don't remember."
For his book in 2007, he suddenly goes in vivid details: "As Lennon sang softly, strumming his acoustic guitar, Paul accompanied him on piano. A lot of thought must have gone into the piano part, because it was providing a perfect counterpoint to John's vocal and guitar playing. Ringo joined on bongos, while George Harrison, who seemed to have been given nothing specific to do, idly shook a pair of maracas."
So this is the reason his recollection isn't worth much more. On top of this, in the same book he wrote fictional stories about for example recording 'Blackbird' in the open air, with live birds and a metronome. It's proved the tapping is McCartney's feet (by video footage) and the birds are sound effects from the tape library (it's written down which sounds from which tape, which are also still available isolated).
Regarding Giles Martin, what he's got in his hands is exactly what we got, the raw multi-tracks audio. He wasn't there, we weren't there. Giles Martin often dismissed himself as not being a Beatles expert, and often gets details wrong. Which also isn't a big deal, he's only human. But it's important in this case. Even more so since he isn't actually doing the technical parts of the remixes, that's Sam Okell. And guess who labeled the full bridge "Paul's vocals" in the Pro Tools session for the 2017 remix, that's seen in a screenshot from Sound On Sound Magazine? https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band (screenshot #12 at the bottom).
Also, if we're counting Geoff Emerick and Giles Martin, we definitely gotta involve Richard Lush, who was the Second Engineer on all recordings of the Pepper album. He was there, and got contacted 2 years ago on this subject by a member of SH.tv. He also confirmed it's McCartney singing.
Youre stretching the truth here. Starting with Richard Lush. Somebody CLAIMED to have contacted him. Doesn't mean they did, nor was the actual conversation through LinkedIn, which is how Lush was allegedly contacted posted in that thread.
Regarding Giles and Okell, correct Okell labled that part as Pauls, and Giles stated it was John. Okell has only the isolated tracks to go by as anybody else. No more or no less insight than anybody else.
Giles also had access to his father.. It IS conceivable George may have mentioned the recording of that song at some point in time
Emrick DOES make mistakes in his book. Doesn't mean everything is wrong that he states. Can you remember every detail of your work from years ago?!? In the interview I posted, he even states regarding the recording of theh "aahs" "Did you ask Richard(Lush)?" who was onsite that day. Implying that Lush could corroborate the story.
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RE: Who Sang the "A-h-h-hs" in "A Day in the Life"...?
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RE: Set List critique
wingsoverkc wrote:
Great post Nancy R. As many of you know on this site, I am a vicious defender of Wings and Paul's solo career. Yep, I think Band On The Run is a superior album to Sgt. Pepper; yep, I think RAM is the finest rock album of the 1970's and was what The Beatles would sound like in 1971; and, God help me, I think Silly Love Songs is a masterpiece. And at the McCartney shows the Wings songs get a huge, excited response. IMO the two biggest responses of the night are for Live And Let Die and Band On The Run. Again, IMO, the two biggest bathroom/beer runs were during Love Me Do and Benefit Of Mister Kite. For my distractors on this site I ask this; actually attend a concert and then get back to me.
LOLOLOL.
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RE: Who Sang the "A-h-h-hs" in "A Day in the Life"...?
Ive heard the isolated tracks, and it could be either or. There is an interview with Geoff Emerick here-
At the 24 min mark he talks about ADITL. The people on the Hoffman forums tear this apart saying its technically impossible to do what Geoff describes blah blah. They say his memory is shot, and that a ghost writer "created" his memories for a book he released in 2006.I highly doubt a ghost writer would create such a vivid recollection what GE describes here in 2017. He even refers to Richard Lush in the video.
The other claim is that Paul did the "woke up" and the "aaahs" all in the same take which I find almost impssible to believe
I tend to believe GE here.
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RE: Abbey Road Anniversary reissue set
Nancy R wrote:
Can’t believe nobody has written about this! Thanks to oobu for sending me this:
ABBEY ROAD’ ANNIVERSARY SUPER DELUXE EDITION (4 DISC)
12” x 12” hardcover book to house:
CD1: New ‘Abbey Road’ stereo album mix
CD2: Demos and Outtakes
CD3: Demos and Outtakes
DISC 4 (Blu-ray): Dolby Atmos mix of whole album / 5.1 surround of whole album / hi-res stereo mix of whole album
Book
Limited EditionAlthough we have seen a draft of a 3CD track list, this was not final:
CD1
Abbey Road usual track listCD2
I Want You (She’s So Heavy) [Take 32 + Billy Organ]
Goodbye [Demo]
Something [Demo]
Ballad Of John And Yoko [Take 7]
Old Brown Shoe [Take 2]
Oh Darling [Take 4]
Octopus Garden [Take 9]
You Never Give Me Your Money [Take 36]
Her Majesty [Takes 1-3]
Golden Slumbers - Carry That Wait [Takes 1-3]
Here Comes The Sun [Take 9]
Maxwell's Silver Hammer [Take 12]CD3
Come Together [Take 5]
The End [Take 3]
Sun King / Mean Mr Mustard [Take 20]
Polythene Pam - Bathroom Window [Take 27]
Because [Take 1]
The Long One [Trial Edit and Mix]
Something [Orchestral – Take 39]
Golden Slumbers [Take 17]‘ABBEY ROAD’ ANNIVERSARY DELUXE EDITION (2CD)
Expanded 2CD package features the new stereo album mix on and adds a second CD of demos and outtakes
Limited edition‘ABBEY ROAD’ ANNIVERSARY EDITION (1CD)
1CD digi featuring the new ‘Abbey Road’ stereo album mix
Unlimited edition‘ABBEY ROAD’ ANNIVERSARY SUPER DELUXE EDITION (3LP BOX)
12” x 12” lift off lid box to house:
LP1: New ‘Abbey Road’ stereo album mix
LP2: Demos and Outtakes
LP3: Demos and Outtakes
Limited edition‘ABBEY ROAD’ ANNIVERSARY EDITION (1LP)
180-gram 1LP vinyl featuring the new stereo album mix
Packaging faithful to the original albumOf course, there will also be non-physical formats for purchase or streaming.
Thank you Nancy!
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RE: Paul McCartney 2019 Tour Rumours
Becky wrote:
I just seen Paul at Dodgers Stadium! But my friend Sandra and I plan on seeing Paul again whenever he plays a U.S date! We will fly to the East Coast to see him if we have to! Please keep us updated on your dates!!! We plan to get VIP tickets next time and attend sound check!! I have to let my friend know the next U.S concert dates! I will keep checking back for news!
Yes, please keep checking back and let us know your every move. Thanks in advance.
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RE: Share your thoughts/reviews of movie "Yesterday" (SPOILERS)
wingsoverkc wrote:
Yesterday was a complete blast!! Wore my black BEATLES t-shirt to the show, and several attendees came up to me after the show. If you love the Fab Four, you will have a blast. Very emotional, very sad at times, but mostly fun and exciting. Go see it now if you are a member of this site. I promise, you will sing, cry, and shout.
Several attendees came up to you, and did what??
"Sing,cry and shout" LOL
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RE: Set List critique
So the Stones opened their tour in Chicago, and did 2 shows 6/21 and 6/25. They sound so much better than Paul at this point, and changed 35% of their setlist from night 1 to night 2. Micks voice doesn't crack either..
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Street Fighting Man
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Let's Spend the Night Together
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Tumbling Dice
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Sad Sad Sad
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You Got Me Rocking (vote song)
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You Can't Always Get What You Want
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Angie (B-stage acoustic)
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Dead Flowers (B-stage acoustic)
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Sympathy For The Devil
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Honky Tonk Women
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You Got The Silver (Keith)
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Before They Make Me Run (Keith)
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Miss You
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Paint It Black
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Midnight Rambler
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Start Me Up
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Jumping Jack Flash
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Brown Sugar
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Gimme Shelter
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Satisfaction
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Jumping Jack Flash
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It's Only Rock'n'Roll
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Tumbling Dice
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Bitch
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Ride 'Em On Down
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Monkey Man (vote song)
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You Can't Always Get What You Want
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Play With Fire (B-stage acoustic)
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Sweet Virginia (B-stage acoustic)
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Sympathy For The Devil
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Honky Tonk Women
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Slipping Away (Keith)
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Before They Make Me Run (Keith)
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Miss You
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Paint It Black
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Midnight Rambler
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Start Me Up
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Brown Sugar
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Gimme Shelter
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Satisfaction
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RE: Mick Jagger
oobu24 wrote:
They just said on the news that the Stones played 20 songs for 2 hours (on Tues nite) & there were 7 songs that were different than the 1 st show.
Hmmm, hear that Paul?
They also showed some footage from 1981 when they went to a small blues club with Muddy Waters. Very cool. Mick was drinking a Budweiser. haha
I was at both Chicago shows. While they dont play as long a show as Macca, they DO mix it up show to show. Mick sounds so much better at this point than Paul too. There is no "wobble" or "shakiness". He sounds great for almost 76.
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RE: The Number Ones: John Lennon
Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
jimmix wrote:
The Number Ones: John Lennon's "Whatever Gets You Thru The Night"(featuring Reggie)
Never was quite sure why John thought it was okay just as it was. His desire to do things fast didn't always work out for him.
Didnt work out for him? It went #1, cant do any better than that. Sure Elton was hot at the time, but its a good track.
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RE: Monday 3rd June: Fort Wayne IN - Allen County War Memorial Coliseum - confirmed
Then why not just play it after USSR??
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RE: Set List critique
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
It's too bad Lennon got shot,
No shit.
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RE: Set List critique
~lady*madonna~ wrote:
As I feared, according to setlist.fm when checking the set list for the New Orleans concert tonight, "Yesterday" is no longer a part of his concert.
Its been played at every show since the 70's. This idea that so many people at his shows are first timers which is why his show is so Beatle heavy is also nonsense. The man has been touring non stop since 2002, and also 89-90, and 93. Thats a lot of gigs in 30 years. Most shows Ive been to, the people around me have seen him multiple times, or at least once.
Its been the same tributes since 2002, the same stories more or less since 2002, the same closer since 2011, and the same opener since 2016. Nothing Fresh, nothing new, all old. He had 2 months off, and couldnt find the time to reahearse and insert ONE new song from ANY decade into the set. Embarrassing.
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RE: Thursday 23rd May 2019: New Orleans LA - Smoothie King Arena - confirmed
Vocals sound a bit rough. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the tour. I won't be seeing him this time around. Same set, same predictability, not worth the $$$ at this point.
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RE: Madison, WI- Kohl Center- 6/6/19- CONFIRMED
veggieburgher wrote:
Maccaroni1974 wrote:
veggieburgher wrote:
There is currently a slew of nice "gold hot seats" available near the stage (piano side) in section 121.
If youre willing to pay the insane price of $700 per ticket.
It is quite a markup just for "swag." But that is just an excuse to charge a premium for desirable seats. I wonder what will happen with these tickets if they go unsold. Might be worth watchful waiting.
The are generally "reduced" to standard face value if not sold at the VIP price.