Beatles US albums to be released in January
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Nancy R:
toris:
The whole thing is confusing... prior to Pepper.... Different names for albums between the US and UK (which by extension was Australia)... Even when the generically-named Rubber Soul and Revolver came out, there were songs left off, whacked on here, tacked on there, slotted on another album. deleted so it could be released as a single.... I've gone the way of the U.K, as that was our natural release.... but a sign of the times in those days.... just another anomaly that lends itself to the Beatles legend.... but damn confusing.
The funny thing is, until many years later, most Americans had no clue that the Beatles albums were different in the U.K.
And with the Revolver release in the U.S, you must've all been thinking John Lennon had retired from the group... just the two songs! And one of them was just the same chord played over and over again. A sideman to George who had three songs. Maybe they should've called this the "butcher" album! The faceless record-people sure butchered it.
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favoritething:
Johnny A:
I have the Stereo box set, but I never bought the Mono. From what I've read, it sounds like maybe this would be worth it for the mono versions alone. But realistically, will I be able to tell the difference between the stereo and mono versions of songs? Does one sound better than the other? Forgive my ignorance and thanks....
Complicated question, because there were British stereo, British mono, US stereo, and US mono mixes at the time. The mono boxed set was the British mono, and it appears that this new US Albums box will use the US mono (as they should) but for the stereo tracks it will be a combination of British and US mixes. Leaving all that aside, there are many noticeable differences between the mono and stereo mixes, such as different backwards guitar solos in "I'm Only Sleeping," different use of harmony and double-tracking of vocals ("If I Fell" and "I Should Have Known Better"), lots of things like this. Plus many of the early stereo mixes were pretty crude, just jamming the vocals to one side and the instruments to the other. Even up to "Revolver" some of the stereo is crudely mixed, which is why I prefer the mono of that: it really rocks! Hope that's not more, or less, than you wanted to know!
Thanks, that's great info. This is much more complicated than I hoped!
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toris:
Nancy R:
toris:
The whole thing is confusing... prior to Pepper.... Different names for albums between the US and UK (which by extension was Australia)... Even when the generically-named Rubber Soul and Revolver came out, there were songs left off, whacked on here, tacked on there, slotted on another album. deleted so it could be released as a single.... I've gone the way of the U.K, as that was our natural release.... but a sign of the times in those days.... just another anomaly that lends itself to the Beatles legend.... but damn confusing.
The funny thing is, until many years later, most Americans had no clue that the Beatles albums were different in the U.K.
And with the Revolver release in the U.S, you must've all been thinking John Lennon had retired from the group... just the two songs! And one of them was just the same chord played over and over again. A sideman to George who had three songs. Maybe they should've called this the "butcher" album! The faceless record-people sure butchered it.
Capital version of Revolver: 6 songs by Paul & only 2 by John. McCartney was the clear leader of the group starting in 1966. He has most of the album/project ideas as well as the A-sides from here on out.
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Nancy R:
I don't have a good enough ear for that sort of thing, so it won't matter one iota to me.
oh beleive me,i have a good ear on stuff like this and oh yes,there is a difference ; )
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favoritething:
Nancy R:
I don't have a good enough ear for that sort of thing, so it won't matter one iota to me.
In some cases, though, it may be glaringly obvious, especially if you grew up with the US versions of, say, "I Feel Fine" and "She's A Woman" and they use the British mixes without all the echo. (Not sure which songs will be getting the British mixes, though.)
so true,if those songs come out as the uk british versions,it would really defeat having beatles 65 in this format
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wingsdgm:
I always heard they re-did the songs on HEY JUDE...The early singles ..their voices sound a little older ...who knows?
No, they're the same recordings. That album was just Allen Klein and Apple trying to tie up some loose ends and make some money to make up for the delay of the "Let It Be" album. In the confusion of '64 they had never put "Can't Buy Me Love" or "I Should Have Known Better" on a Capitol album (they were on the United Artists movie soundtrack album, though). Several songs on this album were appearing in stereo for the first time, and none of them had appeared on a Capitol or Apple album in the U.S.
thay did the same for the RARITIES album that came out in the late 70s early 80s ; )
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Nancy R:
toris:
The whole thing is confusing... prior to Pepper.... Different names for albums between the US and UK (which by extension was Australia)... Even when the generically-named Rubber Soul and Revolver came out, there were songs left off, whacked on here, tacked on there, slotted on another album. deleted so it could be released as a single.... I've gone the way of the U.K, as that was our natural release.... but a sign of the times in those days.... just another anomaly that lends itself to the Beatles legend.... but damn confusing.
The funny thing is, until many years later, most Americans had no clue that the Beatles albums were different in the U.K.
I grew up on the U.S. Capitol albums. But when I found The Beatles real U.K. albums as Imports in the 70's, and I heard the difference in production, I got rid of all my U.S. albums and built my collection of U.K. albums. Even the covers were better, and much higher quality, and the vinyl pressings were better too. Simply Parlophone was better than Capitol. Then in '87 we didn't have to worry about U.S. or U.K. anymore. When the CD's were released all the U.S. versions were discontinued for good. There was a reason for that, The Beatles never liked what Capitol did to their albums or their songs. And now they're back. Whoopee, more Beatles for sale! I still prefer the U.K. originals.
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blue jay hey:
Nancy R:
I don't have a good enough ear for that sort of thing, so it won't matter one iota to me.
oh beleive me,i have a good ear on stuff like this and oh yes,there is a difference ; )
I never said there wasn't a difference. I believe you, I just can't often hear it.
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beatlesfanrandy:
Nancy R:
toris:
The whole thing is confusing... prior to Pepper.... Different names for albums between the US and UK (which by extension was Australia)... Even when the generically-named Rubber Soul and Revolver came out, there were songs left off, whacked on here, tacked on there, slotted on another album. deleted so it could be released as a single.... I've gone the way of the U.K, as that was our natural release.... but a sign of the times in those days.... just another anomaly that lends itself to the Beatles legend.... but damn confusing.
The funny thing is, until many years later, most Americans had no clue that the Beatles albums were different in the U.K.
I grew up on the U.S. Capitol albums. But when I found The Beatles real U.K. albums as Imports in the 70's, and I heard the difference in production, I got rid of all my U.S. albums and built my collection of U.K. albums. Even the covers were better, and much higher quality, and the vinyl pressings were better too. Simply Parlophone was better than Capitol. Then in '87 we didn't have to worry about U.S. or U.K. anymore. When the CD's were released all the U.S. versions were discontinued for good. There was a reason for that, The Beatles never liked what Capitol did to their albums or their songs. And now they're back. Whoopee, more Beatles for sale! I still prefer the U.K. originals.
' Cheers! That's a great insight. Sounds like we were lucky in Australia following the U.K model... so my album buys always followed the Please Please Me and on route....one of the advantages of being a penal colony, I guess!....
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While I have no reason to be interested in this set...for whatever reason, I *REALLY* want it when it's released!
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DrBeatle:
While I have no reason to be interested in this set...for whatever reason, I *REALLY* want it when it's released!
I definitely want it too; we'll just see if my pragmatic side wins out or not! It took me many years to finally break down and buy that CD boxed set of the British EPs, but I never have gotten the CD box of the singles, though I do want it, for no good reason other than the packaging!
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Honestly the only two releases worth getting are the AHDN and HELP! Soundtrack; everything else is just a reshuffle with different album covers. From '95 to 2006 I've been given, inherited or bought all the US albums - the moment I realized (before the days of the internet) that these albums were not what the Beatles intended in the studio and were the marketing of Capitol records - I looked at the early years (from '63-'66) in a different light through the real studio albums. 9-9-09 was the new gold standard but i suppose nostalgia opens up the wallets for those whom want to relive substandard album production via 2nd-3rd gen master tapes. I can't imagine someone would cherish the US version of Rubber Soul and Revolver over the 'core' studio albums of Rubber Soul and Revolver.
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MetalGod:
Honestly the only two releases worth getting are the AHDN and HELP! Soundtrack; everything else is just a reshuffle with different album covers. From '95 to 2006 I've been given, inherited or bought all the US albums - the moment I realized (before the days of the internet) that these albums were not what the Beatles intended in the studio and were the marketing of Capitol records - I looked at the early years (from '63-'66) in a different light through the real studio albums. 9-9-09 was the new gold standard but i suppose nostalgia opens up the wallets for those whom want to relive substandard album production via 2nd-3rd gen master tapes. I can't imagine someone would cherish the US version of Rubber Soul and Revolver over the 'core' studio albums of Rubber Soul and Revolver.
I very much enjoy the US version of Rubber Soul over the UK version. I do agree with your opinion regarding Revolver.
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MetalGod:
Honestly the only two releases worth getting are the AHDN and HELP! Soundtrack; everything else is just a reshuffle with different album covers. From '95 to 2006 I've been given, inherited or bought all the US albums - the moment I realized (before the days of the internet) that these albums were not what the Beatles intended in the studio and were the marketing of Capitol records - I looked at the early years (from '63-'66) in a different light through the real studio albums. 9-9-09 was the new gold standard but i suppose nostalgia opens up the wallets for those whom want to relive substandard album production via 2nd-3rd gen master tapes. I can't imagine someone would cherish the US version of Rubber Soul and Revolver over the 'core' studio albums of Rubber Soul and Revolver.
It's hard to explain to someone who didn't live it like we first gen pre-teens and teens in the U.S. did. It's just that that was how we knew their songs (and in that order) We never looked at it as substandard.
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MetalGod:
Honestly the only two releases worth getting are the AHDN and HELP! Soundtrack...
Those two albums are specifically why I hunted down Parlophone imports of A Hard Day's Night and Help!. The two U.S. soundtrack albums are atrocious hack jobs compared to the original U.K. albums, and two instances where the record companies were really ripping off the fans. Unless you really LIKE listening to George Martin's orchestra music. : Intentional or not, it's no wonder they did the "butcher cover."
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Oddly enough the George Martin orchestra stuff does interest me.
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MetalGod:
Oddly enough the George Martin orchestra stuff does interest me.
Me too. I like his stuff on those albums and Yellow Submarine.
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Nancy R:
MetalGod:
Oddly enough the George Martin orchestra stuff does interest me.
Me too. I like his stuff on those albums and Yellow Submarine.
Not so much the AHDN ones for me, except "Ringo's Theme," but the other albums I like. I didn't get that AHDN soundtrack till much later than everything else, and when I first heard the orchestral "I Should Have Known Better," I think I burst out laughing!
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MetalGod:
Oddly enough the George Martin orchestra stuff does interest me.
Well it did serve to attract an older crowd who still liked what Paul referred to as "Mantovani rubbish."