2016 rumors - new music?
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yankeefan7:
oobu24:
yankeefan7:
Bob Gannon:
Could be anything, I look forward to new album, I don't think his voice sounds bad on the "New" album. Plus while in the studio you can cover up a lot of sins
His voice on "Early Days" was not that good and I think I am being kind.
I thought that the album was delayed numerous times because he wanted to redo some of his vocals.
I heard that also but was not sure it was true or just rumor. As for "Early Day's, thought I read the producer of that song wanted that first take because he liked his voice sounding "older" for that song.
Plus, it was often stated in the promo for 'New' that McCartney came in for vocal session without any warming up. That doesn't sound like an artist who cares a lot about the result of the vocals on tape. And that shows on 'New'.
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wingsoverkc:
Weak songs??? Are you &&$$!!? kidding me?? His last three albums have been near masterpieces; New, Memory Almost Full, Chaos and Creation. And the Out There tour was one of the most successful rock tours ever. Weak songs? Please.
Each of them has very good songs, but also weak songs. Near masterpieces? I don't think so. But it's all subjective right? And this is a discussion board, right?
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moptops:
wingsoverkc:
Weak songs??? Are you &&$$!!? kidding me?? His last three albums have been near masterpieces; New, Memory Almost Full, Chaos and Creation. And the Out There tour was one of the most successful rock tours ever. Weak songs? Please.
Each of them has very good songs, but also weak songs. Near masterpieces? I don't think so. But it's all subjective right? And this is a discussion board, right?
"Each of them has very good songs, but also weak songs. Near masterpieces? I don't think so. " I think "CHAOS' is close to masterpiece.
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Yes, near masterpieces. Chaos of course got universal acclaim, peaked at #5 and nabbed a Best Album nomination for the Grammys; Memory Almost Full peaked at #4 and got nearly universal acclaim; and New was rated the forth best album of 2013 by Rolling Stone and peaked at #3, and again received universal acclaim.
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I reckon Band On The Run is the closest thing to a so called masterpiece he's done, post Beatles. Unlike the other albums there isn't a bad song on it. Not looking at sales figures or reviews, although they were healthy, for me it's the timelessness of the songs and the fact that almost every song is instantly recognisable, still, after all those years since 1973. Ask a person in the street, a bar or anywhere who isn't a Paul fan to name a Wings or solo album by him. The answer you'll hear most is Band On The Run. There's a reason for that: it's THAT good!
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Electric Arguments ... now THAT'S a masterpiece.
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audi:
Electric Arguments ... now THAT'S a masterpiece.
Agreed! And also Chaos and New. He's done some of his best work in the 2000's and 2010's imo.
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Sheesh, the word, "masterpiece" gets bandied about with as much gay abandon as "superstar" in this era... I LOVE Electric Arguments, btw!!!
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I figure only Band on the Run is a "true" Paul masterpiece post-Beatles. But certainly, there have been some enjoyable gems in the interim. Wings Over America, if we include live albums, is sublime. But Band on the Run is the one. In so many ways. Only over-familiarity has diminished its greatness to some. But, it is the one that will ride with time.
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wingsoverkc:
Yes, near masterpieces. Chaos of course got universal acclaim, peaked at #5 and nabbed a Best Album nomination for the Grammys; Memory Almost Full peaked at #4 and got nearly universal acclaim; and New was rated the forth best album of 2013 by Rolling Stone and peaked at #3, and again received universal acclaim.
Actually, Chaos #6, MAF #3, New #3. "Universal acclaim" except on this message board, haha! I don't mind his voice sounding older; it adds a new dimension to his work, helps to tell the story of his life. I've said it before, but I'd like to see him do an all-acoustic album, kind of in the vein of "Early Days" and "Get Me Out Of Here" (but with better lyrics than in the latter song!). I don't mind that he works with new, young producers either. I like the fact that he's still excited by the latest things, and I think he succeeds more often than not. I feel bad for those who dismiss it, but that's your opinion! If I were displeased with most of what he was doing, I wouldn't bother talking about him. I'd much rather talk about something I like than something I hate. I mean, Phil Collins hasn't made a really good album since the '80s (in my opinion), but I don't go complaining about it over and over. I've just moved on. (Yes, I know Phil hasn't had a proper new album since 2002, but he's supposedly working on one now, and it's just the overall point.)
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And I'm not expecting a new pop/rock album till 2017. This seems, ahem, early days in the process. And unless the High In The Clouds project has been abandoned, I would expect that to come out first, maybe this fall? They made such a big deal out of the Lady Gaga track, I get the feeling they want that to be successful.
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toris:
I figure only Band on the Run is a "true" Paul masterpiece post-Beatles. But certainly, there have been some enjoyable gems in the interim. Wings Over America, if we include live albums, is sublime. But Band on the Run is the one. In so many ways. Only over-familiarity has diminished its greatness to some. But, it is the one that will ride with time.
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Nancy R:
toris:
I figure only Band on the Run is a "true" Paul masterpiece post-Beatles. But certainly, there have been some enjoyable gems in the interim. Wings Over America, if we include live albums, is sublime. But Band on the Run is the one. In so many ways. Only over-familiarity has diminished its greatness to some. But, it is the one that will ride with time.
ditto...esp... totally agreeing with the over-familiarity!
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oobu24:
Nancy R:
toris:
I figure only Band on the Run is a "true" Paul masterpiece post-Beatles. But certainly, there have been some enjoyable gems in the interim. Wings Over America, if we include live albums, is sublime. But Band on the Run is the one. In so many ways. Only over-familiarity has diminished its greatness to some. But, it is the one that will ride with time.
ditto...esp... totally agreeing with the over-familiarity!
____________________________________________________ Not sure I agree with last sentence of the quote...BOTR is the only one that will ride with time. I think in 40-50 years from now (especially when Paul is gone) it will be quite possible that a few more of Paul's Post Beatles' albums will be considered at the same stature as BOTR. At that time you would have whole new generations that will be far more objective especially when they dive into the Beatles (both as a group and individuals. I think many of us here are pretty objective musically when it comes to Paul. Most of us rank BOTR high but we also put a couple of others even higher or at least just as high...e.g.. Tug of War, Chaos, Flaming Pie, MAF etc. I just came back from a 5 day trip to Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, and the Keys. I drove from Tampa. Since both ways I spent a considerable time in the car, I pulled out some of Paul's albums to play. I did play BOTR and no doubt is is a great album. Since Everybody seems to have a different definition of "Masterpiece", I choose to use the 5Star evaluation (rather than masterpiece) for this discussion. BOTR to me is definitely a 4.5 or even 5 star rating. But I would also give Tug of War, Flaming Pie and Chaos the same rating. One of the CD's I played on my journey was Venus and Mars. I forgot how good that album is and I would also put V&M on the same level as the others; not a bad song on it. As I mentioned earlier...30-40 years from now when new generations are getting into Macca, I think they will be more objective and this is where more Macca albums will be considered 4.5 or 5 stars and on an equal level as BOTR. Maybe to these generations, CD's like Electric Arguments, MAF and New will also be considered 4.5 or 5 star albums. While I personally may consider those last 3 albums to be at a slightely lower level than the former one's I listed, future generations may love them even more. Another full CD I played on my trip was Wings Over America. For live albums I love that double CD along with another favorite on this Board...Run Devil Run. Yes, there will many new Paul fans coming aboard in years to come. And I think his standing 50-100 years from now as an individual music artist after the Beatles will be far greater than it is today. Unfortunately too many people today don't give Macca's post beatles music a fair chance.
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B J Conlee:
oobu24:
Nancy R:
toris:
I figure only Band on the Run is a "true" Paul masterpiece post-Beatles. But certainly, there have been some enjoyable gems in the interim. Wings Over America, if we include live albums, is sublime. But Band on the Run is the one. In so many ways. Only over-familiarity has diminished its greatness to some. But, it is the one that will ride with time.
ditto...esp... totally agreeing with the over-familiarity!
____________________________________________________ Not sure I agree with last sentence of the quote...BOTR is the only one that will ride with time. I think in 40-50 years from now (especially when Paul is gone) it will be quite possible that a few more of Paul's Post Beatles' albums will be considered at the same stature as BOTR. At that time you would have whole new generations that will be far more objective especially when they dive into the Beatles (both as a group and individuals. I think many of us here are pretty objective musically when it comes to Paul. Most of us rank BOTR high but we also put a couple of others even higher or at least just as high...e.g.. Tug of War, Chaos, Flaming Pie, MAF etc. I just came back from a 5 day trip to Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, and the Keys. I drove from Tampa. Since both ways I spent a considerable time in the car, I pulled out some of Paul's albums to play. I did play BOTR and no doubt is is a great album. Since Everybody seems to have a different definition of "Masterpiece", I choose to use the 5Star evaluation (rather than masterpiece) for this discussion. BOTR to me is definitely a 4.5 or even 5 star rating. But I would also give Tug of War, Flaming Pie and Chaos the same rating. One of the CD's I played on my journey was Venus and Mars. I forgot how good that album is and I would also put V&M on the same level as the others; not a bad song on it. As I mentioned earlier...30-40 years from now when new generations are getting into Macca, I think they will be more objective and this is where more Macca albums will be considered 4.5 or 5 stars and on an equal level as BOTR. Maybe to these generations, CD's like Electric Arguments, MAF and New will also be considered 4.5 or 5 star albums. While I personally may consider those last 3 albums to be at a slightely lower level than the former one's I listed, future generations may love them even more. Another full CD I played on my trip was Wings Over America. For live albums I love that double CD along with another favorite on this Board...Run Devil Run. Yes, there will many new Paul fans coming aboard in years to come. And I think his standing 50-100 years from now as an individual music artist after the Beatles will be far greater than it is today. Unfortunately too many people today don't give Macca's post beatles music a fair chance.
I agree also that Venus and Mars is a "masterpiece" if he ever did one. And Wings Over America has almost the entire Venus and Mars album on it.
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I differ in reacting to "Venus and Mars" as not as appealing to me as many of his others though it certainly has its moments. Was surprised to read that his London and Back to the Egg albums are not always rated highly, to me they're each rather exquisite sonic gems, quite special
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I've always enjoyed Venus and Mars more than BOTR. I totally understand BOTR's reputation (and mostly agree), but I've always listened to V&M more.
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favoritething:
If I were displeased with most of what he was doing, I wouldn't bother talking about him. I'd much rather talk about something I like than something I hate.
Thumbs up plus one. This is what I don't get about the internet. Why is it easier to be negative than positive? Everyone will talk about everything they hate all day long. Doesn't anyone like anything anymore? Are there really that many hipsters in the world? I know it's cool and edgy to say ugly things and treat people like dirt, but does everyone really want to be whatever's considered cool this week? Doesn't that mean you have to constantly change who you are to be hip? Why not just be yourself?
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Haven't read all 6 pages of this thread, so apologies if I'm repeating someone. The Sun newspaper has reported him recording some new songs with the producer of Adele's album "25". I Love Pauls voice then and now. He was clearly going for a raw world weary vocal sound on 'Early Days'. That much is beyond obvious! I'm getting more than a little tired of the daily analysis of his voice to be honest... If his current voice isn't up to scratch for you - just play Band on the run on repeat...
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HaileyMcComet:
favoritething:
If I were displeased with most of what he was doing, I wouldn't bother talking about him. I'd much rather talk about something I like than something I hate.
Thumbs up plus one. This is what I don't get about the internet. Why is it easier to be negative than positive? Everyone will talk about everything they hate all day long. Doesn't anyone like anything anymore? Are there really that many hipsters in the world? I know it's cool and edgy to say ugly things and treat people like dirt, but does everyone really want to be whatever's considered cool this week? Doesn't that mean you have to constantly change who you are to be hip? Why not just be yourself?
"Easier to be negative than positive"--have noticed before that you can praise someone to the skies, then the minute you say something the least bit critical the person forgets everything wonderful you said about them and becomes enraged focusing only on the negative thing, and I wondered why the negative has more of a forceful deep effect than the positive. Is it because of Maya which Harrison frequently sang about and said to beware of Maya--sorry I have a philosophical bent which emerges at times. Also, is it really hip to say ugly negative things, is that a big "hipster" attribute to be derisive and cynical? I guess you don't automatically think of hipsters as sunny Pollyannas, though. The Beatles music is often optimistic, does that mean their music isn't "hip" ?