Questions about "Abbey Road" album
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graystoke:
Erik in NJ:
Here's a bit more info re Mean Mister Mustard "his sister Pam" was changed from the name that Lennon originally wrote for this snippet during the White Album sessions (I can get the bootleg out if you want for the original name--beer is obscuring it in my mind at the moment :lol to gel with Polythene Pam.
Shirley.
...you can't be serious...
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Yes my mother-in-law's name....I should have remembered or maybe I tried to forget
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moptops:
graystoke:
Erik in NJ:
Here's a bit more info re Mean Mister Mustard "his sister Pam" was changed from the name that Lennon originally wrote for this snippet during the White Album sessions (I can get the bootleg out if you want for the original name--beer is obscuring it in my mind at the moment :lol to gel with Polythene Pam.
Shirley.
...you can't be serious...
Not serious about what? As Graystoke wrote it was originally penned as Shirley, changed to Pam to segue to Polythene Pam. It worked
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moptops:
graystoke:
Erik in NJ:
Here's a bit more info re Mean Mister Mustard "his sister Pam" was changed from the name that Lennon originally wrote for this snippet during the White Album sessions (I can get the bootleg out if you want for the original name--beer is obscuring it in my mind at the moment :lol to gel with Polythene Pam.
Shirley.
...you can't be serious...
As an aside, Flying High (Airplane!) continues to crack me up.
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Ever see a grown man naked Toris ? (and don't call me Shirley)
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Side 2 was a composition of basic song ideas that were never elaborated or expounded upon...they weren't mixed perfectly in order...but then maybe they were the whole album is like a study in jungian and freudian psychology if i were to travel 50,000 years backwards in time...and 50,000 years forward in time...in the history of art and religion and politics...i can't think of a more beautifully profound era of human history to be living in
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How about if you were a courtier of Elizabeth I? Filling the shoes of Sir Walter Raleigh and catching the fancy of the "Virgin Queen?" Or painting on the walls of the Caves of Altimira or Lascaux? Would you exchange what you are now to be a Beatle Steven?
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Erik in NJ:
How about if you were a courtier of Elizabeth I? Filling the shoes of Sir Walter Raleigh and catching the fancy of the "Virgin Queen?" Or painting on the walls of the Caves of Altimira or Lascaux? Would you exchange what you are now to be a Beatle Steven?
I've never wanted to be a beatle...have always been happy being a beatle fan...I'm quite happy with my current good accomplishments and incredible chore in the history of life... and i push hard at the burden of the chores...every day
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Erik in NJ:
Thanks for the book recommendation Nancy--I'll pick up a copy! There was a Macca interview I heard not too long ago where he discusses where he got the word "pataphysical" from.
Where did he get it from then?
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Erik in NJ:
Moptops: It wasn't so much Paul "getting his way again" it was that Paul was the only one at this point showing up to work on the damned album.
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Erik in NJ:
moptops:
graystoke:
Erik in NJ:
Here's a bit more info re Mean Mister Mustard "his sister Pam" was changed from the name that Lennon originally wrote for this snippet during the White Album sessions (I can get the bootleg out if you want for the original name--beer is obscuring it in my mind at the moment :lol to gel with Polythene Pam.
Shirley.
...you can't be serious...
Not serious about what? As Graystoke wrote it was originally penned as Shirley, changed to Pam to segue to Polythene Pam. It worked
That's a take off from the movie Airplane--"And don't call me Shirley!"
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love2travel:
Erik in NJ:
Thanks for the book recommendation Nancy--I'll pick up a copy! There was a Macca interview I heard not too long ago where he discusses where he got the word "pataphysical" from.
Where did he get it from then?
It's a real word: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pataphysical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Pataphysics
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Erik in NJ:
Ever see a grown man naked Toris ? (and don't call me Shirley)
So many good lines in that movie!.... I'll have to desist as I will derail the thread.... That being said, Abbey Road still sits as the final masterpiece.... And really, how many brilliant bands/trios/quartets - whether musical acts or the Marx Brothers or even the Stooges - finish off with their last sign-off being as good as anything they ever did....And I am glad that Her Majesty missed the final cut and was rendered a novelty addition at the end... Still better than "Scared" mind you... Abbey Road is a gem. On any road. The perfect farewell.
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Nancy R:
#1 "The track could have gone on until 8:04, but John decided on a 'sudden' ending. Engineer Alan Parsons recalled 'We were putting the final touches to that side of the LP, and we were listening to the mix. John said 'There, cut the tape there.' Geoff Emerick cut the tape and that was it.'" (from the book 100 Best Beatles Songs by Spignesi & Lewis)
I find it interrsting that when the album was completed, the songs that ended up on side one were originally intended for side two...and vice versa. So John's abrupt ending of I Want You (She's So Heavy) was designed to close the end of side two while George's Here Comes The Sun was side ones opening track. The switch was a very late decision.
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love2travel:
Where did he get it from then?
I can't recall now sorry--was hoping someone else here had heard the same interview and could remember this term. For some reason I'm thinking it was in a sci-fiction book that he liked, but don't quote me on that.
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I have been away most of the weekend ....yes, real life intervened...but now I'm back and I am loving the answers to my questions. Everything I've ever wanted to know and even more....fascinating stuff really. Thank you all for your input and please feel free to contribute more comments. Can't get enough. Question: This is a very basic question that I must admit, although I'm ashamed, I don't know the answer to. Who has the ultimate responsibility in deciding what material goes on any one album....the artist(s)...the producer? Is it a different answer because it's "The Beatles" we're talking about? If it's the producer who decides (why?), I try to put myself in that person's shoes after hearing masterpieces like "Something", "Here Comes The Sun", "Oh Darling", 'I Want You (She's So Heavy)" and then I'm asked to listen to "Octopus' Garden" . I'd be saying "Let me think about that for a New York second....uh, NO." I'd be thinking it sounded too silly, too simple, childlike, not up to the standards of the others. And yet I must say I enjoy the song now and always have in a fun sort of way...I mean who could hate that song? It's so darned cute! Are there songs that...dare I say this for fear a lightning bolt will strike me down...The Beatles have created that made you wonder how they ever made the cut?
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Generally the producer should have the final say about what goes on an album, but in reality many artists, especially if they are established, have more say than the producer. Paul had 3 producers on New and I'm sure he got what he wanted, though I'm sure he listened to their input. It's an intricate dance sometimes. There are some Beatles "stinkers"--Revolution #9 probably being one of the biggest. I guess it was a novelty at that time and they said OK let's try it, but not much artistry there Wild Honey Pie is another. I would rather have heard a couple more songs instead or perhaps it should not have been a double album to begin with.
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Scarlett14:
I have been away most of the weekend ....yes, real life intervened...but now I'm back and I am loving the answers to my questions. Everything I've ever wanted to know and even more....fascinating stuff really. Thank you all for your input and please feel free to contribute more comments. Can't get enough. Question: This is a very basic question that I must admit, although I'm ashamed, I don't know the answer to. Who has the ultimate responsibility in deciding what material goes on any one album....the artist(s)...the producer? Is it a different answer because it's "The Beatles" we're talking about? If it's the producer who decides (why?), I try to put myself in that person's shoes after hearing masterpieces like "Something", "Here Comes The Sun", "Oh Darling", 'I Want You (She's So Heavy)" and then I'm asked to listen to "Octopus' Garden" . I'd be saying "Let me think about that for a New York second....uh, NO." I'd be thinking it sounded too silly, too simple, childlike, not up to the standards of the others. And yet I must say I enjoy the song now and always have in a fun sort of way...I mean who could hate that song? It's so darned cute! Are there songs that...dare I say this for fear a lightning bolt will strike me down...The Beatles have created that made you wonder how they ever made the cut?
For Abbey Road, it was a compromise. John had control over Side 1, and wanted more of a "rock" feel. Paul had Side 2, and wanted more of a melodic pop feel, thus the pop symphony. For the rest of their albums, it was much more of a collaborative effort between John, Paul, & George Martin.
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Thank you, Erik and Joey! I was reading about "Abbey Road" in Wikipedia. How accurate is the account there? Lennon's wife, Yoko Ono, had become a permanent presence at Beatles recordings and clashed with other members.[12] Halfway through recording in June, Lennon and Ono were involved in a car accident. A doctor told Ono to rest in bed, so one was installed in the studio so she could supervise the recording process from there.[5] Are they saying that Yoko Ono actually had input in the recording process? If so, why???? I think that even if there had been a female Beatle married to let's say Eric Clapton, there would be no need to invite Eric to recording sessions as he would not have been a Beatle. It doesn't make sense to me. No way would I have stood for it, no way. At that point in time in the Spring of 1969 Paul would have just married Linda Eastman (I shed many tears so I recall this very well).....did he invite her along to the studio for support and companionship? It seems only fair that he would have been able to.
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Erik in NJ:
... Paul had 3 producers on New and I'm sure he got what he wanted, though I'm sure he listened to their input. It's an intricate dance sometimes. .
FYI Paul had 4 producers on NEW. The U.K.?s Sun tabloid (via Contactmusic) quotes an unnamed source as saying that McCartney has hired an array of producers for the sessions, including the previously announced Mark Ronson, frequent Adele collaborator Paul Epworth, and a pair of second-generation production icons: Giles Martin, son of famed Beatles producer Sir George Martin, and Ethan Johns, son of Glyn Johns, whose many classic rock credits include ?The Who by Numbers,? the Eagles? first album, and Eric Clapton?s ?Slowhand.? Read More: Paul McCartney Lines Up Producers for New Album | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/paul-mccartney-new-album-producers/?trackback=tsmclip