Was Paul REALLY the Walrus??
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Erik in NJ:
Kathryn O:
I've stated this before. back then, the 'clues' regarding a celebrity was referring to his sexuality. clues that he was gay or strange.
You keep saying this, but in this context it doesn't make any sense that he would be referring to Paul's sexuality and I have no idea what "being a walrus" would mean--again in this context. Surely the literal interpretation was still valid too, no? If John said "Here's another clue for you all, he's a bit light in the loafers, speaks with a lisp, and has a limp wrist" then I could see your point.
actually, since the song came out after MMT and all the references are to songs on MMT, I'd say the literal interpretation isn't valid but that is just my opinion. the other comments are stereotypes and aren't always valid either. John is basically saying he and Paul were as close as can be.
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Audley's Piano:
This time I am going to admit that I don't know for sure what I am talking about. What about The Walrus, as in, "The Carpenter and The Walrus"? Maybe John saying that The Walrus was anyone else was like saying "The Carpenter did it", or like insisting that "He (John the Walrus) Didn't Do IT!", like a guilty boy who is caught in a lie? Maybe it's a matter of assuming the guilty character of The Walrus as he dispels an accusation as it might apply to a "Glass Onion", which is a viewing window on a closed casket? Somebody saying "Here's a clue for you" might also be directed at a detective. I'm also remembering seeing Peter Sellers in and around the band at that time.
Actually, not a bad idea. the walrus was one of the bad capitalist in the original poem and John admitted to not figuring that out when he wrote I am the Walrus. But by the time he wrote this, the band was splitting and issues with management of Klein vs Eastmans had arisen. John might have viewed Paul in that way.
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Erik in NJ:
Never heard about the date. Can you post details and which word is used to create the date?
the word Lonely. It's in the book The Walrus was Paul (the best book on the original theories behind PID not the weird internet reptillian crap later) put the mirror up and it reads I one IX which is read as 11/9 in Roman Numerals or 9/11. The rest reads He Die but with a diamond shape in between the words (from the A in hearts) that points to Paul. 11/9 is also the date John met Yoko.
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Audley's Piano:
.. Thank God for The Internet. The best myth buster known to Man.
what about women?
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Kathryn O:
actually, since the song came out after MMT and all the references are to songs on MMT, I'd say the literal interpretation isn't valid but that is just my opinion.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying at all here.
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Erik in NJ:
FT, The lyrics to "I Am The Walrus" doesn't really imply a good or a bad guy so throwing Paul the "crumb" of being the walrus also doesn't make too much sense unless he is saying that he simply mentioned his name in the song. I believe this is the only Beatle lyric that mentions another Beatle by name.
You are correct, unless you count Ringo saying, "All right George!" in "Boys" or the other Beatles song (I can't think of) where a similar thing is done (George again) and is there a "Ringo" one?
Ringo refers to himself in "Matchbox" (unless I'm hearing it incorrectly): "If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey / Please don't mess around my tree." Not sure if "Go, Johnny, go!" counts when George says that in "For You Blue." Oh, and Ringo calls out George's name (and his own) in "Honey Don't" as well!
In the original Matchbox, Ringo just sings "If you don't want my peaches" but maybe in his All Starr versions he sings Ringo's? Thanks, the For You Blue and Honey Don't were the ones I was thinking of.
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Erik in NJ:
I knew there were some call outs I thought Ringo mentions his own name in an early Beatles song as an ad lib call out to George...something like "play it one time for Ringo" or something like that--I'm sure you guys remember it better than I do. Yes, I meant proper lyric, but the call outs are cool. I think Glass Onion is the only proper lyric that addresses another Beatle directly by name.
In Honey Don't (that favorite thing mentioned) Ringo calls out "Ah rock on George one time for Ringo")
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Kathryn O:
Audley's Piano:
This time I am going to admit that I don't know for sure what I am talking about. What about The Walrus, as in, "The Carpenter and The Walrus"? Maybe John saying that The Walrus was anyone else was like saying "The Carpenter did it", or like insisting that "He (John the Walrus) Didn't Do IT!", like a guilty boy who is caught in a lie? Maybe it's a matter of assuming the guilty character of The Walrus as he dispels an accusation as it might apply to a "Glass Onion", which is a viewing window on a closed casket? Somebody saying "Here's a clue for you" might also be directed at a detective. I'm also remembering seeing Peter Sellers in and around the band at that time.
Actually, not a bad idea. the walrus was one of the bad capitalist in the original poem and John admitted to not figuring that out when he wrote I am the Walrus. But by the time he wrote this, the band was splitting and issues with management of Klein vs Eastmans had arisen. John might have viewed Paul in that way.
John wrote this prior to Epstein's death and it was recorded Sept. 5, 6 and 27, 1967. The band was not splitting up then. Issues with Klein vs. Eastman did not happen until 1969. http://www.allmusic.com/artist/allen-klein-mn0001619323/biography
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Erik in NJ:
Kathryn O:
actually, since the song came out after MMT and all the references are to songs on MMT, I'd say the literal interpretation isn't valid but that is just my opinion.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying at all here.
She's saying Glass Onion came out after MMT and the references in it are to songs on MMT (Strawberry Fields, I Am The Walrus, Fool On The Hill) (However 2 songs are not on MMT--Lady Madonna and Fixing A Hole) Then she is saying that the literal interpretation (the walrus was Paul) is not valid. I don't really understand what one has to do with the other though. KO?
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Kathryn O:
Audley's Piano:
.. Thank God for The Internet. The best myth buster known to Man.
what about women?
I trust them.
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Nancy R:
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Erik in NJ:
FT, The lyrics to "I Am The Walrus" doesn't really imply a good or a bad guy so throwing Paul the "crumb" of being the walrus also doesn't make too much sense unless he is saying that he simply mentioned his name in the song. I believe this is the only Beatle lyric that mentions another Beatle by name.
You are correct, unless you count Ringo saying, "All right George!" in "Boys" or the other Beatles song (I can't think of) where a similar thing is done (George again) and is there a "Ringo" one?
Ringo refers to himself in "Matchbox" (unless I'm hearing it incorrectly): "If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey / Please don't mess around my tree." Not sure if "Go, Johnny, go!" counts when George says that in "For You Blue." Oh, and Ringo calls out George's name (and his own) in "Honey Don't" as well!
In the original Matchbox, Ringo just sings "If you don't want my peaches" but maybe in his All Starr versions he sings Ringo's? Thanks, the For You Blue and Honey Don't were the ones I was thinking of.
Yes, I'm talking about the Beatles' original "Matchbox": "If you don't want my peaches, honey Please don't shake my tree If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey Please don't mess around my tree" For many years, I always thought it was just overlapping vocals saying "my" or "to eat those" in that third line, but it's definitely "Ringo's". (Though obviously Carl Perkins didn't sing it that way!)
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Erik in NJ:
FT, The lyrics to "I Am The Walrus" doesn't really imply a good or a bad guy so throwing Paul the "crumb" of being the walrus also doesn't make too much sense unless he is saying that he simply mentioned his name in the song. I believe this is the only Beatle lyric that mentions another Beatle by name.
You are correct, unless you count Ringo saying, "All right George!" in "Boys" or the other Beatles song (I can't think of) where a similar thing is done (George again) and is there a "Ringo" one?
Ringo refers to himself in "Matchbox" (unless I'm hearing it incorrectly): "If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey / Please don't mess around my tree." Not sure if "Go, Johnny, go!" counts when George says that in "For You Blue." Oh, and Ringo calls out George's name (and his own) in "Honey Don't" as well!
In the original Matchbox, Ringo just sings "If you don't want my peaches" but maybe in his All Starr versions he sings Ringo's? Thanks, the For You Blue and Honey Don't were the ones I was thinking of.
Yes, I'm talking about the Beatles' original "Matchbox": "If you don't want my peaches, honey Please don't shake my tree If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey Please don't mess around my tree" For many years, I always thought it was just overlapping vocals saying "my" or "to eat those" in that third line, but it's definitely "Ringo's". (Though obviously Carl Perkins didn't sing it that way!)
I just happened to hear it in the car today as I had the CD Something New on. The song is double-tracked (double vocal) and in one vocal Ringo sings "If you don't want my peaches, honey" and on the 2nd vocal he sings "If you don't wanna take those peaches, honey" so it messes up the verse. No way does he say "Ringo's peaches" imo. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
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Nancy R:
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Erik in NJ:
FT, The lyrics to "I Am The Walrus" doesn't really imply a good or a bad guy so throwing Paul the "crumb" of being the walrus also doesn't make too much sense unless he is saying that he simply mentioned his name in the song. I believe this is the only Beatle lyric that mentions another Beatle by name.
You are correct, unless you count Ringo saying, "All right George!" in "Boys" or the other Beatles song (I can't think of) where a similar thing is done (George again) and is there a "Ringo" one?
Ringo refers to himself in "Matchbox" (unless I'm hearing it incorrectly): "If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey / Please don't mess around my tree." Not sure if "Go, Johnny, go!" counts when George says that in "For You Blue." Oh, and Ringo calls out George's name (and his own) in "Honey Don't" as well!
In the original Matchbox, Ringo just sings "If you don't want my peaches" but maybe in his All Starr versions he sings Ringo's? Thanks, the For You Blue and Honey Don't were the ones I was thinking of.
Yes, I'm talking about the Beatles' original "Matchbox": "If you don't want my peaches, honey Please don't shake my tree If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey Please don't mess around my tree" For many years, I always thought it was just overlapping vocals saying "my" or "to eat those" in that third line, but it's definitely "Ringo's". (Though obviously Carl Perkins didn't sing it that way!)
I just happened to hear it in the car today as I had the CD Something New on. The song is double-tracked (double vocal) and in one vocal Ringo sings "If you don't want my peaches, honey" and on the 2nd vocal he sings "If you don't wanna take those peaches, honey" so it messes up the verse. No way does he say "Ringo's peaches" imo. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
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Erik in NJ:
FT, The lyrics to "I Am The Walrus" doesn't really imply a good or a bad guy so throwing Paul the "crumb" of being the walrus also doesn't make too much sense unless he is saying that he simply mentioned his name in the song. I believe this is the only Beatle lyric that mentions another Beatle by name.
You are correct, unless you count Ringo saying, "All right George!" in "Boys" or the other Beatles song (I can't think of) where a similar thing is done (George again) and is there a "Ringo" one?
Ringo refers to himself in "Matchbox" (unless I'm hearing it incorrectly): "If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey / Please don't mess around my tree." Not sure if "Go, Johnny, go!" counts when George says that in "For You Blue." Oh, and Ringo calls out George's name (and his own) in "Honey Don't" as well!
In the original Matchbox, Ringo just sings "If you don't want my peaches" but maybe in his All Starr versions he sings Ringo's? Thanks, the For You Blue and Honey Don't were the ones I was thinking of.
Yes, I'm talking about the Beatles' original "Matchbox": "If you don't want my peaches, honey Please don't shake my tree If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey Please don't mess around my tree" For many years, I always thought it was just overlapping vocals saying "my" or "to eat those" in that third line, but it's definitely "Ringo's". (Though obviously Carl Perkins didn't sing it that way!)
I just happened to hear it in the car today as I had the CD Something New on. The song is double-tracked (double vocal) and in one vocal Ringo sings "If you don't want my peaches, honey" and on the 2nd vocal he sings "If you don't wanna take those peaches, honey" so it messes up the verse. No way does he say "Ringo's peaches" imo. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
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Erik in NJ:
FT, The lyrics to "I Am The Walrus" doesn't really imply a good or a bad guy so throwing Paul the "crumb" of being the walrus also doesn't make too much sense unless he is saying that he simply mentioned his name in the song. I believe this is the only Beatle lyric that mentions another Beatle by name.
You are correct, unless you count Ringo saying, "All right George!" in "Boys" or the other Beatles song (I can't think of) where a similar thing is done (George again) and is there a "Ringo" one?
Ringo refers to himself in "Matchbox" (unless I'm hearing it incorrectly): "If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey / Please don't mess around my tree." Not sure if "Go, Johnny, go!" counts when George says that in "For You Blue." Oh, and Ringo calls out George's name (and his own) in "Honey Don't" as well!
In the original Matchbox, Ringo just sings "If you don't want my peaches" but maybe in his All Starr versions he sings Ringo's? Thanks, the For You Blue and Honey Don't were the ones I was thinking of.
Yes, I'm talking about the Beatles' original "Matchbox": "If you don't want my peaches, honey Please don't shake my tree If you don't want Ringo's peaches, honey Please don't mess around my tree" For many years, I always thought it was just overlapping vocals saying "my" or "to eat those" in that third line, but it's definitely "Ringo's". (Though obviously Carl Perkins didn't sing it that way!)
I just happened to hear it in the car today as I had the CD Something New on. The song is double-tracked (double vocal) and in one vocal Ringo sings "If you don't want my peaches, honey" and on the 2nd vocal he sings "If you don't wanna take those peaches, honey" so it messes up the verse. No way does he say "Ringo's peaches" imo. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
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Don't really need this as I just heard it (and I've heard the song hundreds of times since 1964) Do you really believe the lyrics that some person puts on you tube? I don't, sorry. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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oobu24:
with lyrics (Ringo"s peaches)
liveWell, the first one messes up the lyrics right away by saying he sings "watching" instead of "wondering" and the 2nd (live) version is a total mess (Ringo sings the lyrics wrong quite a lot) I suppose it could be "Ringo's" but it's hard for me to hear because I've been used to the other version for 50 years! Here's another example: I have a songbook with guitar chords/music for Beatles songs. In the song A Hard Day's Night, instead of "so why on earth do I moan" it says "so why I love to come home!" This was also in a 2nd songbook I had, so I was messed up for about 45 years, singing the wrong lyric!
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Nancy R:
oobu24:
with lyrics (Ringo"s peaches)
liveWell, the first one messes up the lyrics right away by saying he sings "watching" instead of "wondering" and the 2nd (live) version is a total mess (Ringo sings the lyrics wrong quite a lot) I suppose it could be "Ringo's" but it's hard for me to hear because I've been used to the other version for 50 years! Here's another example: I have a songbook with guitar chords/music for Beatles songs. In the song A Hard Day's Night, instead of "so why on earth do I moan" it says "so why I love to come home!" This was also in a 2nd songbook I had, so I was messed up for about 45 years, singing the wrong lyric!
I didn't actually get those lyrics from YouTube, I just started hearing them that way at some point years ago, and now I can't hear anything but "Ringo's". Yes, there are many "official" lyrics that are wrong, notably in the Red and Blue albums, which I believed for a long time. Things like that "Hard Day's Night" lyric, plus "she ought to think right, she ought to do right" when it should be "she ought to think twice, she ought to do right" in "Ticket To Ride"; and then in the third verse of "Strawberry Fields Forever", the Blue album has "I think I know of thee, ahh yes" when it's almost certainly "I think I know I mean a yes".
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Erik in NJ:
LOL - John said "the walrus was Paul" in the song Glass Onion on "The White Album" (The Beatles). It would seem that my attempt at making Macca fans (and myself) smile by posting the joke asking whether anyone had found any "Paul is dead" clues on the album NEW has prompted me to receive at least one hate PM from a forum member so it seems that this topic may generate some lively submissions (but please keep within the forum rules!). So please post any "clues" that you are aware of from Beatles (or other albums) that hint at Paul being dead or alive! I've heard of a lot of clues especially from a special on WPLJ that aired back in the late 70s regarding the "Paul is dead" myth, but it's always interesting to learn more from my fellow fans. Paul is obviously alive and well (thanks God!!) so let's have some fun with this just like Paul and the Beatles did!
He was the cute walrus.
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jimmix:
He was the cute walrus.
Good one! But was he wearing gumboots??
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Hi. Re the question of why John would choose to mumble about' cranberry sauce' rather than some other phrase on Strawberry Fields - consider word association: strawberry = cranberry. If the Thanksgiving part of the story is true, strawberry + Thanksgiving = cranberry is even stronger. This type of punning wordplay came naturally to Lennon. Just a thought. Strath