McCartney promising a "refreshed" version of 2016'
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FlowersOnTheRun:
It's always been a dream of mine for him to do Love in Song, but I don't know if he could still sing it at this point...
__________________________________________________________ FlowersOnTheRun, Another great so underrated song/album cut of Paul's. Would have loved to have heard this on one of the tours. Not sure but maybe with the full band singing it could one that Paul could do even today.
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B J Conlee:
Earlier I mentioned that I was going to a 75th Birthday Tribute Celebration for Paul in Tampa last night. I wrote a more complete review of the Show in the Broadcast Section of Maccaboard for anyone interested. One of the songs played last night has been mentioned a couple of times in the Setlist discussion topics so I thought I would mentioned it here. One of the real surprises was a band doing "Rocky Raccoon". I had never heard "Rocky" live so it was very cool. The singer was quite good and really had the crowd singing along. I was surprised how much the audience loved it and participated. Now WixRocks might be right that Rocky Raccoon (like When I'm 64)might be more suited at a much smaller, informal festival type setting as compared to a very large arena. Still I loved the song and so did the crowd. After hearing it however I don't believe that Paul has the voice to make it work in 2017. Most of the song Paul would have to sing it "alone" (far different than a full Band participation type song like "Hard Day's Night") and that might prove very difficult. I'm not a voice expert so I really don't know but it is just one of these gut feels I have. Still, it was a great moment last night. Hearing a crowd singing along to non-rock songs like Rocky Raccoon, When I'm 64 and Your Mother Should Know (all 3 were played) really shows the broad power of the Beatles's music. They were not just a rock band.
Sounds like a superb event! I'd imagine that Paul could talk his way through most of Rocky Raccoon today but as you presumed, I don't think it would carry in an arena.
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B J Conlee:
Earlier I mentioned that I was going to a 75th Birthday Tribute Celebration for Paul in Tampa last night. I wrote a more complete review of the Show in the Broadcast Section of Maccaboard for anyone interested. One of the songs played last night has been mentioned a couple of times in the Setlist discussion topics so I thought I would mentioned it here. One of the real surprises was a band doing "Rocky Raccoon". I had never heard "Rocky" live so it was very cool. The singer was quite good and really had the crowd singing along. I was surprised how much the audience loved it and participated. Now WixRocks might be right that Rocky Raccoon (like When I'm 64)might be more suited at a much smaller, informal festival type setting as compared to a very large arena. Still I loved the song and so did the crowd. After hearing it however I don't believe that Paul has the voice to make it work in 2017. Most of the song Paul would have to sing it "alone" (far different than a full Band participation type song like "Hard Day's Night") and that might prove very difficult. I'm not a voice expert so I really don't know but it is just one of these gut feels I have. Still, it was a great moment last night. Hearing a crowd singing along to non-rock songs like Rocky Raccoon, When I'm 64 and Your Mother Should Know (all 3 were played) really shows the broad power of the Beatles's music. They were not just a rock band.
________________________________________________________ This morning I had one more thought about the Macca Tribute show I saw on Saturday night. By the time the concert ended it was early Sunday...Father's Day. It got me thinking about how many performers played and how many great Macca songs we heard. It was, as I said, a great night. Sadly, however, no one played "Put It There". This song should be so much better known. It is a great Father's Day song with a great message for any parent and you would have thought that one performer would have thought to include it given the timing of this tribute show. As I (and others have said) Paul feeds into this thinking by the media that Paul's very good to great songs ended with Wings or his famous duet songs with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. While Paul did "Put It There" on his Flowers in the Dirt tour in 1989-1990 he has totally abandoned it since that tour. It is a great Father's Day Song and yet the masses in general don't know it. It's a 2 minute song and so easy to do and yet was never played on all the subsequent tours starting in 2002. You would think that Paul would want this song sung by people on Father's day just like boomers sing "When I'm 64" as a birthday song. This is just one example how Paul has fed into this crazy media perception that Paul music career stopped after Wings.
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Yes, B.J., I thought that too on Father's Day--how apt and wonderful "Put It There" is, for the day.
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B J Conlee:
B J Conlee:
Earlier I mentioned that I was going to a 75th Birthday Tribute Celebration for Paul in Tampa last night. I wrote a more complete review of the Show in the Broadcast Section of Maccaboard for anyone interested. One of the songs played last night has been mentioned a couple of times in the Setlist discussion topics so I thought I would mentioned it here. One of the real surprises was a band doing "Rocky Raccoon". I had never heard "Rocky" live so it was very cool. The singer was quite good and really had the crowd singing along. I was surprised how much the audience loved it and participated. Now WixRocks might be right that Rocky Raccoon (like When I'm 64)might be more suited at a much smaller, informal festival type setting as compared to a very large arena. Still I loved the song and so did the crowd. After hearing it however I don't believe that Paul has the voice to make it work in 2017. Most of the song Paul would have to sing it "alone" (far different than a full Band participation type song like "Hard Day's Night") and that might prove very difficult. I'm not a voice expert so I really don't know but it is just one of these gut feels I have. Still, it was a great moment last night. Hearing a crowd singing along to non-rock songs like Rocky Raccoon, When I'm 64 and Your Mother Should Know (all 3 were played) really shows the broad power of the Beatles's music. They were not just a rock band.
________________________________________________________ This morning I had one more thought about the Macca Tribute show I saw on Saturday night. By the time the concert ended it was early Sunday...Father's Day. It got me thinking about how many performers played and how many great Macca songs we heard. It was, as I said, a great night. Sadly, however, no one played "Put It There". This song should be so much better known. It is a great Father's Day song with a great message for any parent and you would have thought that one performer would have thought to include it given the timing of this tribute show. As I (and others have said) Paul feeds into this thinking by the media that Paul's very good to great songs ended with Wings or his famous duet songs with Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. While Paul did "Put It There" on his Flowers in the Dirt tour in 1989-1990 he has totally abandoned it since that tour. It is a great Father's Day Song and yet the masses in general don't know it. It's a 2 minute song and so easy to do and yet was never played on all the subsequent tours starting in 2002. You would think that Paul would want this song sung by people on Father's day just like boomers sing "When I'm 64" as a birthday song. This is just one example how Paul has fed into this crazy media perception that Paul music career stopped after Wings.
Personally, I don't think he is proud of his solo career. He discards his solo songs like old clothes once they are no longer his current record. As several people have mentioned, very few solo songs ever stay in the set list very long. Have you ever heard him talk about a solo song in concert besides saying this is from my latest album - lol. (Here Today is different because it is a tribute to John Lennon). "Put It There" is a wonderful song but it is one of many in his almost 40 year solo career that he has largely ignored.
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I honestly think he has no clue of the significance his solo work since 1980 has for his hardcore fans! It's like he writes the songs, records them, and forgets all about them! He's already on to the next thing. He didn't even choose the songs for Pure McCartney! Then they probably showed him the list and he took a cursory glance at it, "Yeah, looks fine!" And that was that! We can speculate and wish until the cows come home, but he's never gonna get it. Plus, the time for him to do some of these songs was no later than 2002 to 2005 when he still could sing them!
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Nancy R:
I honestly think he has no clue of the significance his solo work since 1980 has for his hardcore fans! It's like he writes the songs, records them, and forgets all about them! He's already on to the next thing. He didn't even choose the songs for Pure McCartney! Then they probably showed him the list and he took a cursory glance at it, "Yeah, looks fine!" And that was that! We can speculate and wish until the cows come home, but he's never gonna get it. Plus, the time for him to do some of these songs was no later than 2002 to 2005 when he still could sing them!
Yes and it was a mistake he made when he returned to touring in 1989 and refused to correct when he sort of had a "clean slate" of sorts in 2002. The ship has sailed because the expectation is set now. 75% of the audience is buying a ticket to the world's greatest Beatles tribute band and enjoy a few solo tracks while using a few others to hydrate and/or urinate...
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Sorry to double post, just an additional thought... ...is there any commentary on the time about his lack of 80's material in the setlist in 1989? Does anyone that saw this tour remember it being mentioned or being perplexed by it? He hadn't been on the road since 1979 and didn't even acknowledge three of the six albums released since that time and even though they weren't huge albums, "Pipes of Peace" and "No More Lonely Nights" were successful singles that would've fit in that 1989 set perfectly.
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WixRocks!:
Sorry to double post, just an additional thought... ...is there any commentary on the time about his lack of 80's material in the setlist in 1989? Does anyone that saw this tour remember it being mentioned or being perplexed by it? He hadn't been on the road since 1979 and didn't even acknowledge three of the six albums released since that time and even though they weren't huge albums, "Pipes of Peace" and "No More Lonely Nights" were successful singles that would've fit in that 1989 set perfectly.
He played Figure of Eight, Rough Ride, Put It There and My Brave Face - we thought that was amazing! Atlanta setlist: https://www.paulmccartney.com/live/atlanta-5 I hadn't seen him since 1976, so he could have done anything and I'd have been ecstatic! Of course, hindsight is 20/20. If only we knew then what we know now!
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Nancy R:
WixRocks!:
Sorry to double post, just an additional thought... ...is there any commentary on the time about his lack of 80's material in the setlist in 1989? Does anyone that saw this tour remember it being mentioned or being perplexed by it? He hadn't been on the road since 1979 and didn't even acknowledge three of the six albums released since that time and even though they weren't huge albums, "Pipes of Peace" and "No More Lonely Nights" were successful singles that would've fit in that 1989 set perfectly.
He played Figure of Eight, Rough Ride, Put It There and My Brave Face - we thought that was amazing! Atlanta setlist: https://www.paulmccartney.com/live/atlanta-5 I hadn't seen him since 1976, so he could have done anything and I'd have been ecstatic! Of course, hindsight is 20/20. If only we knew then what we know now!
Right, and "We Got Married" was thrown in a bit too...but those were all from the album at hand, as the pattern would soon make clear. Like, it didn't seem weird that except for "Coming Up" and "Ebony and Ivory" he ignored virtually everything he had released since you last saw him 13 years earlier? I'm not criticizing you at all just to be clear, that was a tour of so many "firsts" I can't imagine how anyone could complain about anything at the time.
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WixRocks!:
Nancy R:
WixRocks!:
Sorry to double post, just an additional thought... ...is there any commentary on the time about his lack of 80's material in the setlist in 1989? Does anyone that saw this tour remember it being mentioned or being perplexed by it? He hadn't been on the road since 1979 and didn't even acknowledge three of the six albums released since that time and even though they weren't huge albums, "Pipes of Peace" and "No More Lonely Nights" were successful singles that would've fit in that 1989 set perfectly.
He played Figure of Eight, Rough Ride, Put It There and My Brave Face - we thought that was amazing! Atlanta setlist: https://www.paulmccartney.com/live/atlanta-5 I hadn't seen him since 1976, so he could have done anything and I'd have been ecstatic! Of course, hindsight is 20/20. If only we knew then what we know now!
Right, and "We Got Married" was thrown in a bit too...but those were all from the album at hand, as the pattern would soon make clear. Like, it didn't seem weird that except for "Coming Up" and "Ebony and Ivory" he ignored virtually everything he had released since you last saw him 13 years earlier? I'm not criticizing you at all just to be clear, that was a tour of so many "firsts" I can't imagine how anyone could complain about anything at the time.
_________________________________________________________ Looking back at the 1989-1990 era, I do remember just how excited I was since I had missed the 1976 tour. My ex-wife had no interest and we were really struggling financially. Even for those lucky to attend Wings Over America, Paul only did like 5 Beatle songs...Lady Madonna, Long and Winding Road, I've Just Seen a Face, Blackbird and Yesterday. Correct me if I missed any more. At the time of the Flowers in the Dirt tour, I don't think any of us were thinking about set lists.. As WixRocks points out, it was the tour of "firsts". He had so much that the audience had never heard in a live setting including so many of his Beatle songs. So when he played all those Beatle songs there was no complaining about him not doing songs from a great album like Tug of War. The newspaper reviews were beyond positive about the set list from what I remember. For me it was the first time hearing the iconic songs like Let It Be, Fool on the Hill, Eleanor Rigby, Hey Jude etc. And of course he did the big Wings' songs from Band on the Run. Because all these songs were the first time for me (as a huge Macca fan) I'm pretty sure I didn't go home thinking...why didn't he do Take It Away or Wanderlust. I don't think he did Here Today on that tour...I think Here Today started in 2002. I could be wrong however. Because it was a stadium show in Philadelphia, I do remember going home with my ears ringing. That was my first stadium show! I also couldn't sleep too well that night because of the excitement and I could still hear the songs in my head. Even in 2002 and 2005 he still had a few fantastic "new" Beatle songs to play like Hello-Goodbye, She's Leaving Home, I Will, For No One etc. But as Nancy, Yankeefan and others have pointed out...beginning in 2002 was the time for Paul to bring out at least a few great Solo songs he had skipped especially from Flaming Pie and Tug of War. And for the tours after 2005, there was no reason for him not to bring back a couple of the classics from Flowers in the Dirt (My Brave Face, Put It There) or other previous solo albums while he was adding new songs from Chaos and Memory Almost Full. From about 2007 onward is when the shows got too repetitious for me being a hard core fan. For what reason some casual Pau/Beatle l fans might ask...If I was Paul, the answer would be easy. To create a real "balance" to his overall, storied musical career.
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WixRocks!:
Nancy R:
WixRocks!:
Sorry to double post, just an additional thought... ...is there any commentary on the time about his lack of 80's material in the setlist in 1989? Does anyone that saw this tour remember it being mentioned or being perplexed by it? He hadn't been on the road since 1979 and didn't even acknowledge three of the six albums released since that time and even though they weren't huge albums, "Pipes of Peace" and "No More Lonely Nights" were successful singles that would've fit in that 1989 set perfectly.
He played Figure of Eight, Rough Ride, Put It There and My Brave Face - we thought that was amazing! Atlanta setlist: https://www.paulmccartney.com/live/atlanta-5 I hadn't seen him since 1976, so he could have done anything and I'd have been ecstatic! Of course, hindsight is 20/20. If only we knew then what we know now!
Right, and "We Got Married" was thrown in a bit too...but those were all from the album at hand, as the pattern would soon make clear. Like, it didn't seem weird that except for "Coming Up" and "Ebony and Ivory" he ignored virtually everything he had released since you last saw him 13 years earlier? I'm not criticizing you at all just to be clear, that was a tour of so many "firsts" I can't imagine how anyone could complain about anything at the time.
It did not seem weird because I believe he played six songs from FITD and even opened the show with "Figure Of Eight" which is what you would expect an artist to do promoting a new album. Plus, he never had really played Beatle songs before so it was pretty cool back then to hear those songs live. The difference is today a bunch of us have heard those Beatle songs many times now live and would love to hear his some of his solo music.
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Nancy R:
I honestly think he has no clue of the significance his solo work since 1980 has for his hardcore fans! It's like he writes the songs, records them, and forgets all about them! He's already on to the next thing. He didn't even choose the songs for Pure McCartney! Then they probably showed him the list and he took a cursory glance at it, "Yeah, looks fine!" And that was that! We can speculate and wish until the cows come home, but he's never gonna get it. Plus, the time for him to do some of these songs was no later than 2002 to 2005 when he still could sing them!
Great post and I will say that any artist that would put a song like "Bip Bop" on a collection and totally ignore songs from FITD shows he did not care one bit about the collection.
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Lol on the Colombia announcement I noticed it said this: " The 'One On One' Tour spans Paul's entire career - from his earliest work with The Quarrymen through to his most recent collaboration with Kanye West and Rihanna." It looks as though FourFiveSeconds is here to stay.
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paulmccartneyfan1:
Lol on the Colombia announcement I noticed it said this: " The 'One On One' Tour spans Paul's entire career - from his earliest work with The Quarrymen through to his most recent collaboration with Kanye West and Rihanna." It looks as though FourFiveSeconds is here to stay.
This just shows you how clueless he is IMO. Does he really think the people who attend his concerts and just want a Beatle Paul show really care about that song? McCartney may think recording withe those two make him hip but his fans really could care less. In addition, it is not a very good song.
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paulmccartneyfan1:
Lol on the Colombia announcement I noticed it said this: " The 'One On One' Tour spans Paul's entire career - from his earliest work with The Quarrymen through to his most recent collaboration with Kanye West and Rihanna." It looks as though FourFiveSeconds is here to stay.
Thank you for all the insight from the times of the '89 tour. That all makes perfect sense. As for this advert? I'd venture that the majority of his concert audience does not know who the Quarrymen were or who Kanye West and Rhianna are.
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B J Conlee:
At the time of the Flowers in the Dirt tour, I don't think any of us were thinking about set lists.
I wasn't! I'd spent the entire 80's waiting for him to tour again. Every time he did an interview, my friends and I would listen carefully for any tiny hint that he was touring. I loved that there was so much from FITD in the set. I love the album and all of the songs were amazing to hear live. And because he'd been so skimpy on doing Beatles songs on the previous tours, as BJ said above, nobody was complaining about the ones he did in 89/90. I don't know why he skipped so many of his 80's albums on that tour; I guess he was just focused on FITD as it was his most recent album. Same as in 1979 when he was focused on Back to the Egg (still one of my favorite Paul tours ever). So in 89/90, I wasn't bothered that his 80's solo albums were not really represented. Nowadays - of course I would love him to toss in any of those songs, but I no longer expect it.
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yankeefan7:
paulmccartneyfan1:
Lol on the Colombia announcement I noticed it said this: " The 'One On One' Tour spans Paul's entire career - from his earliest work with The Quarrymen through to his most recent collaboration with Kanye West and Rihanna." It looks as though FourFiveSeconds is here to stay.
This just shows you how clueless he is IMO. Does he really think the people who attend his concerts and just want a Beatle Paul show really care about that song? McCartney may think recording withe those two make him hip but his fans really could care less. In addition, it is not a very good song.
_______________________________________________ Let me also add that he can't sing 4-5 Seconds either judging by the quality videos I heard from the Tokyo shows. I think another factor driving Paul's recent strange decisions (even his set lists) are his "Record Marketing Executives". Just reading the press releases have "company speak and talking points" written all over it instead of trying to learn who is fanbase really is. Adding Four-Five Seconds too easily "fits" the narrative of their press releases (the one on one tour spans Paul's entire career from his earliest work with the Quarrymen to his recent collaboration with Kanye Wast and Rihanna) they send to the newspapers and internet sites. I agree with Yankeefan that 99% of his fanbase could care less about the song. Instead of adding a few very good to great Solo songs that are intelligent, smart, mature and meaningful that his overwhelming "boomer" audience can relate to, he is adding 4-5 Seconds with stupid lyrics just because it hit the top 40. Besides the fact that his audience could care less about what is playing on Top 40 radio, the song only made the list because it had Kanye West and Rihanna's name on it. Makes no sense to me except again it fits the narrative of the press release and maybe something Capitol executives want him to play. We've talked about a whole number of very good Solo Songs that you would think he would be proud of and want his audience to know so I won't repeat that list again. Just baffles me. Unfortunately, it feeds into a prevalent thought that I have always argued agains...Paul was only really good when he was with John and the Beatles. It really isn't true but if someone isn't proud of his own material, he can't expect that thought to ever go away.
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B J Conlee:
[..] he is adding [..] just because it hit the top 40. [..]
I wish we could say this about his core solo catalogue hits!
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nobodytoldme:
B J Conlee:
[..] he is adding [..] just because it hit the top 40. [..]
I wish we could say this about his core solo catalogue hits!
___________________________________________________ The 4-5 Seconds narrative really isn' what his audience cares about. Paul unlike Record Executives shouldn't care only about "Hits" per say. It should be more about the quality of the song. I look at a solo Song like Here Today. It was never a "single" or hit from Tug of War but it is a very important song in his overall Career. "Here Today" has great lyrics that he alone wrote. But the reason that it is so well known is that he played it often in his live shows. Otherwise it would have been just another hidden Solo Gem that just hard core fans like us would know. Unfortunately, he has many other Solo songs just as good but he has chosen over the last 15 years to ignore them.