New in the Charts Thread
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I thought downloads are included in album sales now
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He made albums in the 1980's "that the critics hated" (???) The Tug of War and Flowers in the Dirt albums are absolutely fantastic...how could critics have "hated" those? "Press to Play"--even that one featured right many good songs, but I can see how reviewers could have panned that--more so than "Tug of War" and "Flowers in the Dirt." MAF isn't one of my absolute favorites of his, but it still went platinum in the U.S. and did pretty well overall, elsewhere. "New" just came out a couple weeks ago, and isn't any where near through selling, so why the despair from some fans? Seems a bit too early to worry?
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SusyLuvsPaul:
He made albums in the 1980's "that the critics hated" (???) The Tug of War and Flowers in the Dirt albums are absolutely fantastic...how could critics have "hated" those? "Press to Play"--even that one featured right many good songs, but I can see how reviewers could have panned that--more so than "Tug of War" and "Flowers in the Dirt." MAF isn't one of my absolute favorites of his, but it still went platinum in the U.S. and did pretty well overall, elsewhere. "New" just came out a couple weeks ago, and isn't any where near through selling, so why the despair from some fans? Seems a bit too early to worry?
At least with regards to contemporary reviews: Tug of War & Flowers were well-received M2, Pipes of Peace, Broadstreet, & Press to Play were not well received. Album sales really started to drop off, starting with Press to Play.
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Down to number 12 in the US this week. Kary Perry at number 1 with 290,000 sales, Miley Cyrus still at number 2. Pearl Jam number 4. Cher number 11.
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Joao Carlos:
I can´t understand this, because MAF sold more than 1 million US alone, more than 150 thousand in UK and sold very well around the world (more than 3 million). NEW is more commercial than MAF. I don´t really understand, but it doesn´t matter.
Maybe many of those who purchased MAF have since died of old age? Sadly the majority of people who attend a Paul McCartney concert are just on a nostalgia trip and aren't interested in his latest recordings.
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cfergoid:
Down to number 12 in the US this week. Kary Perry at number 1 with 290,000 sales, Miley Cyrus still at number 2. Pearl Jam number 4. Cher number 11.
Sadly, it will be out of top 20 next week and never heard from again. Wish a lot of those fans who go to all these concerts would get off their butts and give "New" a chance
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Kestrel:
Joao Carlos:
I can´t understand this, because MAF sold more than 1 million US alone, more than 150 thousand in UK and sold very well around the world (more than 3 million). NEW is more commercial than MAF. I don´t really understand, but it doesn´t matter.
Maybe many of those who purchased MAF have since died of old age? Sadly the majority of people who attend a Paul McCartney concert are just on a nostalgia trip and aren't interested in his latest recordings.
Many are just trying to relive something in their past & want to see Beatle Paul.
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No one of Paul's generation is selling CDs like they used to. Not Paul, not the Stones, not Bowie, not the Who. Why is everyone so surprised? Add to that, CD sales just don't happen like they used to when LPs were sold in the 70s and 80s. If NEW goes gold (500,000 sold) in the USA it will be a major victory. This is a great CD for a 71 year old Paul McCartney. But no way does it compete with LPs like Band On The Run, or Ram or maybe even Venus and Mars. Those were albums of their time made by a man driven to prove himself. Even a video doesn't have an outlet like they used to in the 70s or 80s with MTV. It is a whole different ball game.
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RMartinez:
No one of Paul's generation is selling CDs like they used to. Not Paul, not the Stones, not Bowie, not the Who. Why is everyone so surprised? Add to that, CD sales just don't happen like they used to when LPs were sold in the 70s and 80s. If NEW goes gold (500,000 sold) in the USA it will be a major victory. This is a great CD for a 71 year old Paul McCartney. But no way does it compete with LPs like Band On The Run, or Ram or maybe even Venus and Mars. Those were albums of their time made by a man driven to prove himself. Even a video doesn't have an outlet like they used to in the 70s or 80s with MTV. It is a whole different ball game.
You rarely saw any videos in the 70's. MTV did not start until 1982, and it was done being all-videos by about 1989.
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beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
No one of Paul's generation is selling CDs like they used to. Not Paul, not the Stones, not Bowie, not the Who. Why is everyone so surprised? Add to that, CD sales just don't happen like they used to when LPs were sold in the 70s and 80s. If NEW goes gold (500,000 sold) in the USA it will be a major victory. This is a great CD for a 71 year old Paul McCartney. But no way does it compete with LPs like Band On The Run, or Ram or maybe even Venus and Mars. Those were albums of their time made by a man driven to prove himself. Even a video doesn't have an outlet like they used to in the 70s or 80s with MTV. It is a whole different ball game.
You rarely saw any videos in the 70's. MTV did not start until 1982, and it was done being all-videos by about 1989.
Exactly! There were videos for WITH A LITTLE LUCK, MULL OF KINTYRE, COMING UP, and bands did appear on TV shows to promote singles from albums in the 70s. McCartney not so much. While I am glad a video was done for a song from NEW, how exactly is that supposed to increase CD sales? I'm not saying I have an answer, I don't. I just think NEW is doing pretty well all things considered. I know family members of mine who are huge McCartney fans, but probably are not keyed into him having a CD of new music out. I usually alert them to such things.
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yankeefan7:
cfergoid:
Down to number 12 in the US this week. Kary Perry at number 1 with 290,000 sales, Miley Cyrus still at number 2. Pearl Jam number 4. Cher number 11.
Sadly, it will be out of top 20 next week and never heard from again. Wish a lot of those fans who go to all these concerts would get off their butts and give "New" a chance
Well, part of the problem is that publicity in the U.S. has now pretty much ceased. No appearances. No interviews. Nada. And since there isn't meaningful radio play, people will quickly forget he's got a new album out. The Queenie Eye video got a nice little burst of attention, but that's going to run down, too. I'd like to see him play some U.S. shows before Christmas, and do one of the daytime talk shows, e.g. Ellen. But I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Oh, and to correct an earlier post, Billboard announced that New was entering the chart at #3 on Oct. 23. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5763242/pearl-jam-earns-fifth-no-1-album-on-billboard-200 Don't confuse the issue date of the print magazine with when the chart comes out. We'll see the official chart position for the 2nd week tomorrow, though HitsDailyDouble (which usually tracks pretty closely with Billboard) has it dropping to #12.
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The album as charted very well around the world his best across the board result since Flaming Pie . But it's clear global sales are very small compared to previous releases and MAF is probably going to be his last solo album with decent sales . Personally I think he now needs to focus on his Wings/solo legacy get the Wings albums released quickly and lets have a Wings Greatest Hits album which should be a double CD once that's done he should release a Solo Greatest Hits . He's only going to sell lots of albums now with compilation albums , so he might as well spend the next couple of years putting together these two releases . If he waits several years to release his next new album he's going to be pushing 80 and sales might only buy him a pair of slippers . So stop now on a decent chart position result with NEW and put your legacy in order , I think he also should have a rest maybe even go into semi retirement . He's nothing left to prove , I just want him to be happy and healthy and to start taking it easy and enjoy the time he as left which hopefully is another 25 years
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RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
No one of Paul's generation is selling CDs like they used to. Not Paul, not the Stones, not Bowie, not the Who. Why is everyone so surprised? Add to that, CD sales just don't happen like they used to when LPs were sold in the 70s and 80s. If NEW goes gold (500,000 sold) in the USA it will be a major victory. This is a great CD for a 71 year old Paul McCartney. But no way does it compete with LPs like Band On The Run, or Ram or maybe even Venus and Mars. Those were albums of their time made by a man driven to prove himself. Even a video doesn't have an outlet like they used to in the 70s or 80s with MTV. It is a whole different ball game.
You rarely saw any videos in the 70's. MTV did not start until 1982, and it was done being all-videos by about 1989.
Exactly! There were videos for WITH A LITTLE LUCK, MULL OF KINTYRE, COMING UP, and bands did appear on TV shows to promote singles from albums in the 70s. McCartney not so much. While I am glad a video was done for a song from NEW, how exactly is that supposed to increase CD sales? I'm not saying I have an answer, I don't. I just think NEW is doing pretty well all things considered. I know family members of mine who are huge McCartney fans, but probably are not keyed into him having a CD of new music out. I usually alert them to such things.
Buy 'em copies!!!
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I was going to take a look at my 'best of' collection for Paul and see if I wanted to make any changes and to add some of his latest songs to the collection. I started by listening to "Flaming Pie," which I hadn't listened to in ages...to see if there were other songs I might want to add. I thought, "There's absolutely nothing here I don't like." I had totally forgotten how excellent that album was/is. It's all great stuff. I liked too, that had I not known/remembered Ringo played on the album, I would have spotted his drumming on "Really Love You" in a nano second. It's mostly just him and Paul on the song, which makes me like it even more. From start to finish, that is one great album!!!!!
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audi:
I've requested both singles at three radio stations in my city, and I've yet to hear anything. I am, once again, reminded of that Johnny Cash Billboard magazine ad that I think Paul should seriously consider adapting:
I wish Podgie would re-create this photo with Paul's likeness and dedicate it to Top 40 radio-programmers... ...a long-overdue sentiment on my part.
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
I was going to take a look at my 'best of' collection for Paul and see if I wanted to make any changes and to add some of his latest songs to the collection. I started by listening to "Flaming Pie," which I hadn't listened to in ages...to see if there were other songs I might want to add. I thought, "There's absolutely nothing here I don't like." I had totally forgotten how excellent that album was/is. It's all great stuff. I liked too, that had I not known/remembered Ringo played on the album, I would have spotted his drumming on "Really Love You" in a nano second. It's mostly just him and Paul on the song, which makes me like it even more. From start to finish, that is one great album!!!!!
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
No one of Paul's generation is selling CDs like they used to. Not Paul, not the Stones, not Bowie, not the Who. Why is everyone so surprised? Add to that, CD sales just don't happen like they used to when LPs were sold in the 70s and 80s. If NEW goes gold (500,000 sold) in the USA it will be a major victory. This is a great CD for a 71 year old Paul McCartney. But no way does it compete with LPs like Band On The Run, or Ram or maybe even Venus and Mars. Those were albums of their time made by a man driven to prove himself. Even a video doesn't have an outlet like they used to in the 70s or 80s with MTV. It is a whole different ball game.
You rarely saw any videos in the 70's. MTV did not start until 1982, and it was done being all-videos by about 1989.
Exactly! There were videos for WITH A LITTLE LUCK, MULL OF KINTYRE, COMING UP, and bands did appear on TV shows to promote singles from albums in the 70s. McCartney not so much. While I am glad a video was done for a song from NEW, how exactly is that supposed to increase CD sales? I'm not saying I have an answer, I don't. I just think NEW is doing pretty well all things considered. I know family members of mine who are huge McCartney fans, but probably are not keyed into him having a CD of new music out. I usually alert them to such things.
Buy 'em copies!!!
Christmas is coming up!!
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I have already said it, but will say it again. Paul should have released NEW, announced a NEW WORLD TOUR of Europe and the Americas, then did the TV shows and surprise mini-concerts.
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RMartinez:
I have already said it, but will say it again. Paul should have released NEW, announced a NEW WORLD TOUR of Europe and the Americas, then did the TV shows and surprise mini-concerts.
Admittedly, the announcement of the tour back in the spring, only to be followed up with no album or new songs on that tour, was very anticlimactic for me. It just seemed like much ado about nothing. However, the subsequent marketing -- once the "New" single was released -- couldn't have been better. They did everything right.
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Bruce M.:
yankeefan7:
cfergoid:
Down to number 12 in the US this week. Kary Perry at number 1 with 290,000 sales, Miley Cyrus still at number 2. Pearl Jam number 4. Cher number 11.
Sadly, it will be out of top 20 next week and never heard from again. Wish a lot of those fans who go to all these concerts would get off their butts and give "New" a chance
Well, part of the problem is that publicity in the U.S. has now pretty much ceased. No appearances. No interviews. Nada. And since there isn't meaningful radio play, people will quickly forget he's got a new album out. The Queenie Eye video got a nice little burst of attention, but that's going to run down, too. I'd like to see him play some U.S. shows before Christmas, and do one of the daytime talk shows, e.g. Ellen. But I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Oh, and to correct an earlier post, Billboard announced that New was entering the chart at #3 on Oct. 23. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5763242/pearl-jam-earns-fifth-no-1-album-on-billboard-200 Don't confuse the issue date of the print magazine with when the chart comes out. We'll see the official chart position for the 2nd week tomorrow, though HitsDailyDouble (which usually tracks pretty closely with Billboard) has it dropping to #12.
_____________________________________________ You are so right Bruce. The US publicity for New has virtually ceased. Maybe the new Rollingstone issue with Paul on the cover and featured might help. I thought that Paul would come back from England and hit a few of the national TV shows, but it doesn't appear that will happen. I have to remember that Paul is 71 and has been on a rigorous schedule. With the impending Japanese appearances, perhaps he feels he needs a break beforehand. Maybe he and Nancy have gone off to one of the islands. One of the interesting things I find looking on the charts is Cher. Obviously she is close to Paul's age and yet her album is showing a little bit of lasting power. If she is #11 this week (just ahead of Paul) that is impressive considering her album has been hovering around the Top 10 for 5 weeks now and for someone who has been out of the limelight. 2 big differences in her Marketing of the album however. Cher is continuing to hit the big TV talk shows and she already has many dates announced for a major US tour starting in March through July. Cher is giving her new CD FREE with every ticket purchased "On line" for these shows. No doubt this is helping her sales. Conversely, it appears that Paul is finished with doing US TV shows in support of "NEW" and he has no US tour announced for 2014. Yankeefan, I still have hope for a resurgence of "NEW" sales. The album is too good to just die in my opinion. But if Paul doesn't do any meaningful TV appearance through the end of 2013, it would all hinge on Paul announcing a "NEW" US tour starting in early 2014 (i.e. March). Maybe Paul can duplicate what Cher has done via a CD promotion coupled with the purchase of a ticket. Also if Paul plays 6-8 songs from New with great performances, he might generate some album sales traction as he continues the tour. If a US tour doesn't happen in early 2014, you are sadly right...it will "die" from being a popular selling CD.