FourFiveSeconds- new collab. with Rihanna, Kanye and Paul
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On iTunes, the song is back up to #3, after having slipped in recent days. And "Only One" is up to #26.
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RMartinez:
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RMartinez:
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There are lots of Kanye covers. There's a whole generation that loves him. A generation may be all that it takes, regardless of what our generation thinks. Not saying he's "better or greater" than the Beatles, just that his musical reputation and influence were established before the world knew his face or public antics, and before anyone had ever seen a Kardashian on TV.Wow. Can you give an example of a work composed by Kanye and covered by another popular artist? Not being provocative, I just am interested in this sort of thing.
Popular artists don't really cover each other's songs anymore. I'm talking about amateurs on YouTube, which is what young people care about. Maybe Jimmy Fallon, if you're lucky. (Lord, help me, is he our arbiter of good taste??)
My point is I am not convinced the sounds are coverable. We have turned a corner in popular music. Rap is not a coverable medium. It seems to be more about the moment, like everything these days.
He's coverable, because other people are covering him on YouTube. Just do a search, and the covers are out there. Not to say that Michael Bublé is gonna cover him, but there's a whole young generation that accepts him as part of the landscape. He's not controversial to them. Just like our generation is bringing Paul and Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen to the Super Bowl and similar events, Kanye will be a lock for these kinds of things in the future, no doubt.
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From just a stage presence point of view, I think this was one of Paul's finest Grammy moments ever. I was concerned that he might look out of place or awkward with Rihanna and Kanye. To the contrary, I think he looked loose and very relaxed during the whole song. The fact that he was playing guitar (at least visually) is much more suited for him compared to his past performances of just singing... i.e. My Valentine and the dreadful Yesterday sing along of a few years ago. Don't know whether Paul was actually playing, but he looked like he was and that is all that counts. Paul is known to the world so strongly as a writer and musician and the performance (live or otherwise) clearly shows the role of Macca's involvement with Kanye/Rihanna. Casual Macca fans or people who just know his name from the Beatles will know that he clearly involved with writing the song. And that is GOOD. As far as Paul singing, many guitarists and drummers who are not singing lead, do lip-sing to the lead singer's vocals just to keep the timing of their playing...not all that unusual. As others said, it was more of a prop but maybe it would have been better not to have the microphone at all. All in all, I think this collaboration is a big triumph for Paul. A top 10 hit for sure after this exposure.
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This song sounds cool Rihanna can sing much better than I thought, has a distinctive strong voice, Kanye probably wrote that funny line "You been talkin' trash, I think I'm gonna spaz"
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RMartinez:
The video is removed already
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Bruce M.:
nobodytoldme:
flamingsachertorte:
I think it's a bit silly comparing The Beatles and Kanye West....Kanye will never be remembered in the way The Beatles are.
By your generation maybe.
Precisely. The voice in my head is my mom saying, "The Beatles will NEVER be remember 50 years from now like Glenn Miller is!" And she meant it, too. For the person who asked about covers of Kanye West songs, just Google. There are zillions, and whole web pages devoted to reviewing and evaluating them Seriously, some folks on this board sound more like my parents every day. Personally, I'm not a fan of most current music, including most hip hop. But that does NOT mean it's without value. It's simply speaking a language I'm not tuned in to -- just like the Beatles were speaking a language that was foreign to my parents.
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Didn't look like Paul knew the words too well. Even Nancy seemed to know them better! Not that it mattered, as his mic wasn't on anyway. As expected, he looked completely out of place. And West's pathetic attempt to upstage Beck during his acceptance speech for Record Of The Year was pitiful and speaks volumes for the character of the man.
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The Eggman67:
Bruce M.:
nobodytoldme:
flamingsachertorte:
I think it's a bit silly comparing The Beatles and Kanye West....Kanye will never be remembered in the way The Beatles are.
By your generation maybe.
Precisely. The voice in my head is my mom saying, "The Beatles will NEVER be remember 50 years from now like Glenn Miller is!" And she meant it, too. For the person who asked about covers of Kanye West songs, just Google. There are zillions, and whole web pages devoted to reviewing and evaluating them Seriously, some folks on this board sound more like my parents every day. Personally, I'm not a fan of most current music, including most hip hop. But that does NOT mean it's without value. It's simply speaking a language I'm not tuned in to -- just like the Beatles were speaking a language that was foreign to my parents.
Music today is not like it was, say, 50 years ago (I am saying that as a 23 year old, so you know, just my research). There is too much of it out there! People get everything on demand, free (illegal^^) downloads, free streaming, .... It's a very different environment for musicians and entertainers (;)) I am certain that in 50 years there will be no celebration of Kanye's music like there was of The Beatle's music because there are too many like him out there. I recently was in Liverpool, went to the houses, went to the club, etc ... do you really believe that one day people will pay money to go inside Kanye's childhood home?
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I'm hearing and even appreciating all the discussion on the dissidents (me included, and prominent amongst them) deriding Kanye, and how the initial youth followers of The Beatles and Elvis had to put up with similar protests from their elders..... "the needle returning to the start of the song and we all sing along like before"... However, I will never entertain Kanye and his style of music surviving like the Beatles and Elvis, or even Sinatra or someone like John Williams, whose compositions will do just fine in terms of longevity. I know of many a parent/Grandparent who was sceptical of the Beatles at first glance, who are quite happy to admit they were wrong. They actually now acknowledge them as the biggest influence on music ever. They want to borrow MY CD's... and I am the chicken after the egg. I don't see too many in the future having the need to say they were wrong about Kanye, or others that are his peers. It's a style of music that doesn't seem to evolve. The Beatles defined an era. Kanye and his music do not. He, Biebs, Miley and Eminem, and so many around them, are just a bulb on the great passage of light that was the Beatles, Elvis, throw in Buddy Holly, Mozart and Beethoven, and whoever came up with the theme for Hawaii Five-O. And so many others. Mr. Kardashian, and hopefully rap, will fall away and once more melody, humility and talent will reign supreme.
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Music today is not like it was, say, 50 years ago (I am saying that as a 23 year old, so you know, just my research). There is too much of it out there! People get everything on demand, free (illegal^^) downloads, free streaming, .... It's a very different environment for musicians and entertainers (;)) I am certain that in 50 years there will be no celebration of Kanye's music like there was of The Beatle's music because there are too many like him out there. I recently was in Liverpool, went to the houses, went to the club, etc ... do you really believe that one day people will pay money to go inside Kanye's childhood home?
No I don't believe that, nor that people will pay money to visit childhood homes of loads of other great artists. That doesn't mean West is a nobody. I think this collaboration is positive. For a lot of young people it's a first time they get to know McCartney. For example: my 16 years old niece, who lives with my family, knows almost the whole Beatles/McCartney catalogue, because of me (not that she's very happy with it ). She's a Rihanna fan and thinks it's cool Rihanna works with a former Beatle. Looking at her girlfriends, they may have heard of the Beatles, but if you ask them who were the individual members, you get glazing eyes staring at you. But they do know McCartney now! But most important: it's a great song, and a worldwide succes!
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Paul's a lot more comfortable with his mic being off these days than he was at Live Aid. I have no problem with his involvement. I like the song. It stuck in my head and I bought it. So did lots of other people - and that can only be a good thing. The man's entitled to do what he wants to do, and work with who he wants to. That's an artist's prerogative.
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hey bulldog:
Paul's a lot more comfortable with his mic being off these days than he was at Live Aid.
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The Eggman67:
Music today is not like it was, say, 50 years ago (I am saying that as a 23 year old, so you know, just my research). There is too much of it out there! People get everything on demand, free (illegal^^) downloads, free streaming, .... It's a very different environment for musicians and entertainers (;)) I am certain that in 50 years there will be no celebration of Kanye's music like there was of The Beatle's music because there are too many like him out there. I recently was in Liverpool, went to the houses, went to the club, etc ... do you really believe that one day people will pay money to go inside Kanye's childhood home?
No I don't believe that, nor that people will pay money to visit childhood homes of loads of other great artists. That doesn't mean West is a nobody. I think this collaboration is positive. For a lot of young people it's a first time they get to know McCartney. For example: my 16 years old niece, who lives with my family, knows almost the whole Beatles/McCartney catalogue, because of me (not that she's very happy with it ). She's a Rihanna fan and thinks it's cool Rihanna works with a former Beatle. Looking at her girlfriends, they may have heard of the Beatles, but if you ask them who were the individual members, you get glazing eyes staring at you. But they do know McCartney now! But most important: it's a great song, and a worldwide succes!
Wouldn't it better if these collaborations involved a lot more of Paul.... offloading some trademark bass, or even something more daring, and contributing meaningful vocal?..... that might make him look more than a session musician and be forefront of the collaboration that brings him into the consciousness of the young?... As it is, for me, it's not an overwhelming collaboration, and it does not throw Paul into the limelight. A real wasted opportunity, even if I am not a fan of the project to begin with. But if one is going to do it, at least make it count. I'd rather have been dazzled, made to admit I was w-w-w-w-wrong. I'd have been happy to admit I was wrong.
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toris:
Wouldn't it better if these collaborations involved a lot more of Paul....
Of course! The more Paul, the better, always...
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What I thought was significant about the performance was that the camera just panned over to them and they started singing and playing (or "playing"). No spoken introduction whatsoever, the only performance of the night where that happened. And that's because everyone knows who they are, that's how famous they are. To me, that means they've made a huge impact, and that they're here to stay in the public consciousness for a long time to come.
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toris:
I don't see too many in the future having the need to say they were wrong about Kanye, or others that are his peers. It's a style of music that doesn't seem to evolve. The Beatles defined an era. Kanye and his music do not. He, Biebs, Miley and Eminem, and so many around them, are just a bulb on the great passage of light that was the Beatles, Elvis, throw in Buddy Holly, Mozart and Beethoven, and whoever came up with the theme for Hawaii Five-O. And so many others. Mr. Kardashian, and hopefully rap, will fall away and once more melody, humility and talent will reign supreme.
It's a style of music that has lasted almost four decades. How long does it have to last before people accept that it will last?
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toris:
I don't see too many in the future having the need to say they were wrong about Kanye, or others that are his peers. It's a style of music that doesn't seem to evolve. The Beatles defined an era. Kanye and his music do not. He, Biebs, Miley and Eminem, and so many around them, are just a bulb on the great passage of light that was the Beatles, Elvis, throw in Buddy Holly, Mozart and Beethoven, and whoever came up with the theme for Hawaii Five-O. And so many others. Mr. Kardashian, and hopefully rap, will fall away and once more melody, humility and talent will reign supreme.
It's a style of music that has lasted almost four decades. How long does it have to last before people accept that it will last?
Hey, I admit I liked Rapture by Blondie!... a tinge of rap? In fact, I loved it.... and I don't mind it when it is plays a bit-part.... Epic by Faith No More was a good song... also bit of rap?.... The Peppers occasionally.... even Are You Lonesome Tonight had a spoken part to it.... ha, he was a pioneer, that fella!
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favoritething:
What I thought was significant about the performance was that the camera just panned over to them and they started singing and playing (or "playing"). No spoken introduction whatsoever, the only performance of the night where that happened. And that's because everyone knows who they are, that's how famous they are. To me, that means they've made a huge impact, and that they're here to stay in the public consciousness for a long time to come.
Yes of course, because of the internet&TV culture etc people's NAMES get around and you know who they are. However, just because people know who they are doesn't mean they've made "a huge impact". The thing about the Beatles is that some people might not know their names etc, but they know their songs. The songs stand on their own without their names attached to them and that's what I would call musical impact.
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RMartinez:
yankeefan7:
RMartinez:
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I don't think it was ever meant to actually be on. Like the video, it's just for show, to make Paul look more involved.
I agree. I finally got to see, I think the mic was more of a prop. In fact, much of what we heard sounded like a backing track, I was even wondering whether the lead vocals were also pre-recorded. Paul's guitar too. After the performance he did some strumming and nothing was heard. That Taylor guitar he played is very cool!
Then they should not have had the camera on him when he was supposedly singing live.
Why don't you write them a letter? Let them know how you feel.
Like that would have any meaning to them - lol.