FourFiveSeconds- new collab. with Rihanna, Kanye and Paul
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Slightly off topic... I really loved Rihanna's pink dress... she looked very beautiful !
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Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Well, there might be more than a shadow of truth in the media controlling the "output of real news". The worldwide media is one hell of a controlling beast. Perhaps it is an extension or branch of Freemasonry or other secret non-Dan Brown-proclaimed societies that have proliferated through time.... but that is for another argument. In the meantime, Kanye is the "A" in "A-hole". He is the "Dis" in "Disrespect". He is an embarrassment on the entire music industry. It was bad enough Madonna felt the need to bare her butt in the name of "keeping myself relevant". I can only imagine she is still wallowing in distress after Mr. Kardashian had the temerity to rob her of her moment of indignity. All in the name of "relevance"! ... She actually right now is probably cowering against the veins of her pathetically-induced man-biceps as we speak. I welcome the open letter from Shirley Manson from Garbage. And Paul Stanley from KISS said it best. Something about a kick in the nuts. Mister Kardashian never seems to surprise with his petulance and immaturity. How can one respect him? He's too stupid to put his arms up in tepid defence and claim it was some publicity stunt. And he pretty much showed that it was no publicity stunt. He meant it. He's one of the dumbest folks I've ever witnessed, through speech and the lameness of expression on his face, and there's a hell of a comparative idiocy parading about in the "celebrity/reality" world. But he is just so dumb, it ain't funny. I think Mr. T said it best.... "I pity the fool." Kanye is an embarrassment to every true "artist" that was in the room, apparently celebrating music. Their night of nights. Geez, imagine if that kind of insolence was on show at the Academy or Emmy Awards. Mr. K is not only a jerk. He is a joke. Worse still, for him.... a parody.
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Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Yes, quite true. And Beck is not making anything out of this at all, except to say that he was also shocked that he won.
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toris:
Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Well, there might be more than a shadow of truth in the media controlling the "output of real news". The worldwide media is one hell of a controlling beast. Perhaps it is an extension or branch of Freemasonry or other secret non-Dan Brown-proclaimed societies that have proliferated through time.... but that is for another argument. In the meantime, Kanye is the "A" in "A-hole". He is the "Dis" in "Disrespect". He is an embarrassment on the entire music industry. It was bad enough Madonna felt the need to bare her butt in the name of "keeping myself relevant". I can only imagine she is still wallowing in distress after Mr. Kardashian had the temerity to rob her of her moment of indignity. All in the name of "relevance"! ... She actually right now is probably cowering against the veins of her pathetically-induced man-biceps as we speak. I welcome the open letter from Shirley Manson from Garbage. And Paul Stanley from KISS said it best. Something about a kick in the nuts. Mister Kardashian never seems to surprise with his petulance and immaturity. How can one respect him? He's too stupid to put his arms up in tepid defence and claim it was some publicity stunt. And he pretty much showed that it was no publicity stunt. He meant it. He's one of the dumbest folks I've ever witnessed, through speech and the lameness of expression on his face, and there's a hell of a comparative idiocy parading about in the "celebrity/reality" world. But he is just so dumb, it ain't funny. I think Mr. T said it best.... "I pity the fool." Kanye is an embarrassment to every true "artist" that was in the room, apparently celebrating music. Their night of nights. Geez, imagine if that kind of insolence was on show at the Academy or Emmy Awards. Mr. K is not only a jerk. He is a joke. Worse still, for him.... a parody.
He's not calling it a media conspiracy in that sense, just that they know they will get more viewers by reporting celebrity news than geopolitical news or climate change or any number of other worthwhile issues. Or they'll spend weeks talking about one missing airplane, or one missing vacationer in Aruba, or one murder trial. Anything for drama. Substance is boring; they'll lose money and viewers if they report it, simple as that. No, sorry, Kanye knows how to get attention, and the media and social media give it to him every time. He's better off NOT calling it a publicity stunt, apparently, because "FourFiveSeconds" and "Only One" are both still selling better than they did before the Grammys.
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favoritething:
toris:
Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Well, there might be more than a shadow of truth in the media controlling the "output of real news". The worldwide media is one hell of a controlling beast. Perhaps it is an extension or branch of Freemasonry or other secret non-Dan Brown-proclaimed societies that have proliferated through time.... but that is for another argument. In the meantime, Kanye is the "A" in "A-hole". He is the "Dis" in "Disrespect". He is an embarrassment on the entire music industry. It was bad enough Madonna felt the need to bare her butt in the name of "keeping myself relevant". I can only imagine she is still wallowing in distress after Mr. Kardashian had the temerity to rob her of her moment of indignity. All in the name of "relevance"! ... She actually right now is probably cowering against the veins of her pathetically-induced man-biceps as we speak. I welcome the open letter from Shirley Manson from Garbage. And Paul Stanley from KISS said it best. Something about a kick in the nuts. Mister Kardashian never seems to surprise with his petulance and immaturity. How can one respect him? He's too stupid to put his arms up in tepid defence and claim it was some publicity stunt. And he pretty much showed that it was no publicity stunt. He meant it. He's one of the dumbest folks I've ever witnessed, through speech and the lameness of expression on his face, and there's a hell of a comparative idiocy parading about in the "celebrity/reality" world. But he is just so dumb, it ain't funny. I think Mr. T said it best.... "I pity the fool." Kanye is an embarrassment to every true "artist" that was in the room, apparently celebrating music. Their night of nights. Geez, imagine if that kind of insolence was on show at the Academy or Emmy Awards. Mr. K is not only a jerk. He is a joke. Worse still, for him.... a parody.
He's not calling it a media conspiracy in that sense, just that they know they will get more viewers by reporting celebrity news than geopolitical news or climate change or any number of other worthwhile issues. Or they'll spend weeks talking about one missing airplane, or one missing vacationer in Aruba, or one murder trial. Anything for drama. Substance is boring; they'll lose money and viewers if they report it, simple as that. No, sorry, Kanye knows how to get attention, and the media and social media give it to him every time. He's better off NOT calling it a publicity stunt, apparently, because "FourFiveSeconds" and "Only One" are both still selling better than they did before the Grammys.
I am totally agreeing with the notion that the press will be happier to report this Kanye business rather than real news. It's a convenient diversion from real news. So, we're agreed on that. And you are right. The media isn't going to lift this story for something that might actually have more meaning in the world. That was not my point on that one. I was agreeing with the point that the media would prefer to push "irrelevance" rather than "priority", especially when it does sell papers ("papers" being an old terminology", of course)... so, I think we agreed on that. As for Kanye, I don't care whether it is a publicity stunt or whatever, I just find his actions disrespectful. To the music industry as a whole. For the purposes of this argument, I don't care whether he is a genius or the brush that wipes away grime from a toilet bowl. That argument can remain subjective. My argument for these purposes is that he single-handedly tried to diminish the worth of the premier musical accolade... a Grammy. Now, I don't rate the Grammy Awards anymore, but it is still the pinnacle of their awards season. He disrespected it. Made it a farce. I'm not sure I will hear any actor or actress leap up from their chair, bound on stage during the Academy Awards and tell Tom Hanks or Marissa Tomei or whoever that they were not deserving. That fraternity shows respect. That is my underlying issue in this particular thread. RESPECT. My distaste of Mr. Kardashian's music is no doubt layered somewhere else on other threads!... of course.
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I can't help but think he did it on purpose, and be impressed at the mileage he's getting out of it. Yes, it may have been immature and disrespectful, but it's helping sell more records. Which is what it's all about. A cheap publicity stunt to keep his name in the news, giving publicity to himself, and Beck, and Beyoncé. And in the process, Rihanna and Paul. Look how much it's lengthened this thread, now pretty much hanging solely on his rant. Everybody knows he's the bad boy, so it's keeping in character. Ridiculous yes, but it was a great p.r. move.
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West's asinine behavior does have its use. It is showing the Grammys to be a joke, that he would even be given one.
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love2travel:
Slightly off topic... I really loved Rihanna's pink dress... she looked very beautiful !
That big pink thing?
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toris:
favoritething:
toris:
Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Well, there might be more than a shadow of truth in the media controlling the "output of real news". The worldwide media is one hell of a controlling beast. Perhaps it is an extension or branch of Freemasonry or other secret non-Dan Brown-proclaimed societies that have proliferated through time.... but that is for another argument. In the meantime, Kanye is the "A" in "A-hole". He is the "Dis" in "Disrespect". He is an embarrassment on the entire music industry. It was bad enough Madonna felt the need to bare her butt in the name of "keeping myself relevant". I can only imagine she is still wallowing in distress after Mr. Kardashian had the temerity to rob her of her moment of indignity. All in the name of "relevance"! ... She actually right now is probably cowering against the veins of her pathetically-induced man-biceps as we speak. I welcome the open letter from Shirley Manson from Garbage. And Paul Stanley from KISS said it best. Something about a kick in the nuts. Mister Kardashian never seems to surprise with his petulance and immaturity. How can one respect him? He's too stupid to put his arms up in tepid defence and claim it was some publicity stunt. And he pretty much showed that it was no publicity stunt. He meant it. He's one of the dumbest folks I've ever witnessed, through speech and the lameness of expression on his face, and there's a hell of a comparative idiocy parading about in the "celebrity/reality" world. But he is just so dumb, it ain't funny. I think Mr. T said it best.... "I pity the fool." Kanye is an embarrassment to every true "artist" that was in the room, apparently celebrating music. Their night of nights. Geez, imagine if that kind of insolence was on show at the Academy or Emmy Awards. Mr. K is not only a jerk. He is a joke. Worse still, for him.... a parody.
He's not calling it a media conspiracy in that sense, just that they know they will get more viewers by reporting celebrity news than geopolitical news or climate change or any number of other worthwhile issues. Or they'll spend weeks talking about one missing airplane, or one missing vacationer in Aruba, or one murder trial. Anything for drama. Substance is boring; they'll lose money and viewers if they report it, simple as that. No, sorry, Kanye knows how to get attention, and the media and social media give it to him every time. He's better off NOT calling it a publicity stunt, apparently, because "FourFiveSeconds" and "Only One" are both still selling better than they did before the Grammys.
I am totally agreeing with the notion that the press will be happier to report this Kanye business rather than real news. It's a convenient diversion from real news. So, we're agreed on that. And you are right. The media isn't going to lift this story for something that might actually have more meaning in the world. That was not my point on that one. I was agreeing with the point that the media would prefer to push "irrelevance" rather than "priority", especially when it does sell papers ("papers" being an old terminology", of course)... so, I think we agreed on that. As for Kanye, I don't care whether it is a publicity stunt or whatever, I just find his actions disrespectful. To the music industry as a whole. For the purposes of this argument, I don't care whether he is a genius or the brush that wipes away grime from a toilet bowl. That argument can remain subjective. My argument for these purposes is that he single-handedly tried to diminish the worth of the premier musical accolade... a Grammy. Now, I don't rate the Grammy Awards anymore, but it is still the pinnacle of their awards season. He disrespected it. Made it a farce. I'm not sure I will hear any actor or actress leap up from their chair, bound on stage during the Academy Awards and tell Tom Hanks or Marissa Tomei or whoever that they were not deserving. That fraternity shows respect. That is my underlying issue in this particular thread. RESPECT. My distaste of Mr. Kardashian's music is no doubt layered somewhere else on other threads!... of course.
Toris. You speak the truth.
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oobu24:
love2travel:
Slightly off topic... I really loved Rihanna's pink dress... she looked very beautiful !
That big pink thing? https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/1071x14002-e1423465482788.jpg
It was beautiful! I liked the pink statement!
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love2travel:
oobu24:
love2travel:
Slightly off topic... I really loved Rihanna's pink dress... she looked very beautiful !
That big pink thing? https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/1071x14002-e1423465482788.jpg
It was beautiful! I liked the pink statement!
I heard it called a pink hostess snowball (cupcake) on TV. She has looked soo much better in other outfits. But here is an article about how it looked like a cake & now is... http://greatideas.people.com/2015/02/09/rihanna-grammys-2015-pink-dress-cake-recipe/ twitter reaction http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/09/rihannas-voluminous-pink-grammys-gown-draws-memes/
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yankeefan7:
"Also thought that ELO was the other highlight!" Mr. McCartney enjoyed them very much also !!
Can i just ask you yankeefan7, why do you often (always?) refer to Paul as "Mr McCartney"?
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Rihanna's voluminous pink Hostess snowball twinkie gown was meant to be an interesting contrast with her plain black "power" pants suit she, Kanye and Paul wore for their song. Masculine vs. feminine. That's what it says visually. When Kanye gave the finger to the sky onstage, was he portraying the stereotype punk rebel, the defiant stance of angry rebellious youth? Was he saying F.U. to God (that seems unlikely, even for him). Was he just trying to strike a "tough" pose? What offended me most was his picking on Beck, insinuating he's not as valid an artist as Beyoncé--ludicrous, since Beck writes all his own songs and plays many instruments, and has a distinctive singing style and voice of his own. Beck suffered a very bad accident a few years ago and still appears fragile in somewhat precarious health. So Kanye was being a bully to a handicapped person, in a way. The intellectual insult to Beck's musical and creative writing prowess was completely offensive. Beyoncé is the end all and be all (except for himself) in Kanye's world, apparently--she is the ultimate artist. Is Kanye a feminist? (laughs) Or does he just want to leap on Queen Bee and possess her totally. Wonder what JayZee thinks about that.
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......John Lennon Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/kanye-west-on-mccartney-collaboration-im-angst-like-john-lennon-20150211#ixzz3RSlmeHS0 He should be Yoko!
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Its pretty clear Paul wrote the music to this song. First time I heard it, I could hear the "This One" influence. The opening is nearly identical. Kanye probably wrote most of the lyrics & then they got Rihanna to sing it.
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FourFiveSeconds moves from 15 to 6 on the Hot 100 and sets a number of records for McCartney. http://www.billboard.com/articles/6465909/hot-100-rihanna-kanye-west-paul-mccartney-ellie-goulding-mark-ronson Fastest Top 10 ascent for McCartney tying Ebony and Ivory - Top 10 in 3 weeks longest Gap between Top 10 hits - 29 yrs, 2 weeks. (2nd is Santana at 28 yrs, 7 mths, 2 weeks) Beatles were 5th on that list at 19yrs, 4th, 3 weeks (between Got To Get You Into My Life in 1976 and Free As A Bird 1996) Counting just his solo output, McCartney rewrites yet another mark: he expands his span of solo top 10s to a record-setting 43 years, 10 months and two weeks The song also goes to #1 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop songs. Song should hit the Top 5 last week as the period closed shortly after the Grammy's - so downloads should increase next week. RamblinRed
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Paz:
Paul, I love, love. love you, but PLEASE step away from Kanye!! I do think Beyonce should have said something to Kanye when he approache the stage. And she needs to tell her fans to knock it off, because her fans put out a petition for the award to be taken away from Beck, and they have taken to posting very nasty & vulgar tweets about Beck - all instigated by Kanye's rant. He also puts Beyonce is bad light and her keeping quiet compounds it.
I believe Beyonce was very vocal in her displeasure when he did it to Taylor Swift, have not heard a thing from her this time which is a shame.
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jimmix:
......John Lennon Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/kanye-west-on-mccartney-collaboration-im-angst-like-john-lennon-20150211#ixzz3RSlmeHS0 He should be Yoko!
Okay, so Kanye is making nice now. "I love Beck," he says. "Hey, everyone, America, I'm not comparing myself to John Lennon," he says. And Taylor Swift wants to work with him; she holds no grudge. So I guess we can move on?
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RMartinez:
yankeefan7:
Bruce M.:
Kanye may be an opinionated a**hole, but Beck isn't offended: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beck-responds-to-kanye-grammy-diss-i-thought-beyonce-was-going-to-win-20150209
I think Beck is taking the high road. Personally, I wish he would have told Kanye to get the f*** off the stage. It would have been nice if other people there that night called Kanye out for this behavior. IMO - the first time he did it to a young teen girl (Taylor Swift) at the time was IMO bullying !!
Beck is of slight stature as well. You don't see Kanye acting like that with anyone his own size or bigger. He's a coward.
And maybe a racist !! If an African-American had won award instead of Beyonce would he be doing the same thing, I don't think so.
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Happy for Paul. I enjoy the song. Although only wish this could happen on a Paul solo track, as it is more due to rihanna and kanye. Ps there are unconfirmed rumours of the rolling stones being in contact with taylor swift (obviously joking here)