2016 rumors - new music?
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No released material is for US, by that criteria. We can pick and choose. I'm free to buy Four Five Seconds or Hope For The Future, but I won't. At least those were new: not to my liking, but new. I just see this compile as pointless. But that's ok. It'll blow over and be a part of an ill thought out plan where projects are overlapping without focus and becoming diluted in a marketing mess for zero impact. In all seriousness hardcore fans could have compiled a better represented collection of his solo output. This is the type of thing that usually gets released "at the end of the end"...for optimum sales. So you can see, for this project mark me in the nay column. Rant over.
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audi:
To reiterate prudence1964's point: This compilation is not for us. And that's OK. I'm very, very excited because it's the first release of its sort that presents McCartney's post-Beatles work in a truly comprehensive context. This could be a springboard for many good things to follow.
BUT it COULD be for us TOO! All they needed to do was maybe remaster a few of the songs or use all of his albums. Then all groups would be interested.
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oobu24:
audi:
To reiterate prudence1964's point: This compilation is not for us. And that's OK. I'm very, very excited because it's the first release of its sort that presents McCartney's post-Beatles work in a truly comprehensive context. This could be a springboard for many good things to follow.
BUT it COULD be for us TOO! All they needed to do was maybe remaster a few of the songs or use all of his albums. Then all groups would be interested.
Let's be honest. The Remasters series will most likely continue even after Paul checks out. The rate of release is THAT slow. NFI
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moptops:
oobu24:
audi:
To reiterate prudence1964's point: This compilation is not for us. And that's OK. I'm very, very excited because it's the first release of its sort that presents McCartney's post-Beatles work in a truly comprehensive context. This could be a springboard for many good things to follow.
BUT it COULD be for us TOO! All they needed to do was maybe remaster a few of the songs or use all of his albums. Then all groups would be interested.
Let's be honest. The Remasters series will most likely continue even after Paul checks out. The rate of release is THAT slow. NFI
Kind of like the Tune In books. I think we'll all be dead before they are finished.
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oobu24:
moptops:
oobu24:
audi:
To reiterate prudence1964's point: This compilation is not for us. And that's OK. I'm very, very excited because it's the first release of its sort that presents McCartney's post-Beatles work in a truly comprehensive context. This could be a springboard for many good things to follow.
BUT it COULD be for us TOO! All they needed to do was maybe remaster a few of the songs or use all of his albums. Then all groups would be interested.
Let's be honest. The Remasters series will most likely continue even after Paul checks out. The rate of release is THAT slow. NFI
Kind of like the Tune In books. I think we'll all be dead before they are finished.
If not dead my eyes will surely have given out. I'll need the Tune In talking book...but if I'm not deaf, I'll have died of old age listening to it read to me!
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Well, as others have said, Pure McCartney is not really for hardcore fans, it's for casual fans (young or old). He's probably not too concerned if we don't buy it, because we're the ones buying the Archive sets. But of course, I'll buy it because I'm one of the harder of the hardcore. I won't get the vinyl, but I do NEED the CDs. But that's just me. Call me an April Fool if you like. And I am hoping that perhaps there is something unreleased in some way here. The most notable "rarity" so far is that this is the first official CD release of "Hope For The Future." Thrilling, I know!
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favoritething:
Well, as others have said, Pure McCartney is not really for hardcore fans, it's for casual fans (young or old). He's probably not too concerned if we don't buy it, because we're the ones buying the Archive sets. But of course, I'll buy it because I'm one of the harder of the hardcore. I won't get the vinyl, but I do NEED the CDs. But that's just me. Call me an April Fool if you like. And I am hoping that perhaps there is something unreleased in some way here. The most notable "rarity" so far is that this is the first official CD release of "Hope For The Future." Thrilling, I know!
What casual fan gives a rat's arse about these songs? I mean, really? By this logic, Paul's set list would have most of these songs, to expose the 90% of casual fans who are attending his shows these days to these songs. It will be interesting to see how this does. Some hardcore fans will buy this, and some will give it a pass (like me). Casual fans will buy this thinking they are buying a CD with Band On The Run and Silly Love Songs. Or they will read the track listing and pass.
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To be brutal but truthful, the overwhelming majority of so called casual McCartney fans will take a real interest in his catalogue after he passes. Until that happens it's The Beatles and Band On The Run for them.
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Well since Paul is touring and therefore promoting this best of album can we then hope he adds lots of these songs into the set list, and drops a lot of the songs he has done on previous tours.?
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We hope so. But what you say is logical. On Planet Paul, a tour occurring at the same time as an album release does not necessarily equate to "promotion."
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B J Conlee:
As a couple have pointed out, I'm beginning to think that this is an APRIL'S FOOLS PRANK. As a huge Macca Fan, I've often questioned Paul (and his Advisors) Marketing choices when it comes to his track list choices for his albums, touring to support his albums etc. If this is true with the same track listing as described here, this might be his biggest marketing blunder relative to his music ever. It might even surpass not including Goodnight Tonight and Daytime Nighttime Suffering to the original Back to the Egg Album. Here are just 2 of my misgivings (if this is true) about this project: 1.Why would you include 29 tracks (like 40% of the compilation) that "duplicate" the Archive/Remastering Series that serious Macca fans already have. 2. Why would include 5more tracks from your last album (New) that again serious Macca fans already purchased not that long ago. Now over 50% of the tracks are duplicates and that fans already have been buying over the last few years. Paul, why don't you talk to just a few of the people from here (your Website and true fans) that would be far better than the dimwits you are already paying. I can't speak for all of us, but I would work for you very cheaply. I have already included a compilation in this section that would put a huge stamp on your fantastic 70's output. This recommended 70's compilation is a much better idea than the "Pure McCartney" because it: 1. Doesn't include even 1 track from your Archive / Remastering Series so there is no immediate duplication here. 2. Doesn't even duplicate Wingspan (your previous Greatest hits compilation)to any degree. See my post in the earlier pages. This is a compilation that fans would buy because it doesn't duplicate and it also gives them something "NEW" (previously unreleased or rare material). Don't know how far you are going with the present Archive Remastered Album series but you can then later release a similar 80's/90's Decade Compilation (Without duplication) as you finish this Series. Again, I'm a big fan so I am making these suggestions out of love.
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B J Conlee:
B J Conlee:
As a couple have pointed out, I'm beginning to think that this is an APRIL'S FOOLS PRANK. As a huge Macca Fan, I've often questioned Paul (and his Advisors) Marketing choices when it comes to his track list choices for his albums, touring to support his albums etc. If this is true with the same track listing as described here, this might be his biggest marketing blunder relative to his music ever. It might even surpass not including Goodnight Tonight and Daytime Nighttime Suffering to the original Back to the Egg Album. Here are just 2 of my misgivings (if this is true) about this project: 1.Why would you include 29 tracks (like 40% of the compilation) that "duplicate" the Archive/Remastering Series that serious Macca fans already have. 2. Why would include 5more tracks from your last album (New) that again serious Macca fans already purchased not that long ago. Now over 50% of the tracks are duplicates and that fans already have been buying over the last few years. Paul, why don't you talk to just a few of the people from here (your Website and true fans) that would be far better than the dimwits you are already paying. I can't speak for all of us, but I would work for you very cheaply. I have already included a compilation in this section that would put a huge stamp on your fantastic 70's output. This recommended 70's compilation is a much better idea than the "Pure McCartney" because it: 1. Doesn't include even 1 track from your Archive / Remastering Series so there is no immediate duplication here. 2. Doesn't even duplicate Wingspan (your previous Greatest hits compilation)to any degree. See my post in the earlier pages. This is a compilation that fans would buy because it doesn't duplicate and it also gives them something "NEW" (previously unreleased or rare material). Don't know how far you are going with the present Archive Remastered Album series but you can then later release a similar 80's/90's Decade Compilation (Without duplication) as you finish this Series. Again, I'm a big fan so I am making these suggestions out of love.
_________________________________________________________ Now that we know the "Pure McCartney" Compilation and corresponding track listing is absolutely true, I would like to take back one of my comments above. The "worst marketing blunder" was more of my frustration that this compilation is not one, as a hard core Macca fan, that I was looking for. I do see that for casual fans and/or millennials and younger that a career spanning compilation like this might serve a purpose. Let's face it, the last compilation (wingspan) stopped at songs from 1984. This being said, I have to question the overall sales success Pure McCartney will have. Let's face it, it is the true McCartney fans that drive his CD sales. Casual fans (baby boomers and the younger generations) don't seem to buy Macca CD's from what I see. I may be wrong and at the very least, Paul is releasing this set prior to his new tour. Maybe that could help sales. It will also be interesting to see additional marketing his team might employ like teaming with Sirius with an upcoming McCartney Channel. I notice that Billy Joel, Tom Petty and others have done this. What does the specific track listing with Pure McCartney might tell us?? The first thing that crosses my ming is that the Archive Series on specific albums will probably continue. It tells me that beyond Flowers in the Dirt (no tracks on Pure McCartney) that we will probably also get Off the Ground as well as London Town, Back to the Egg, Red Rose Speedway and Wildlife. Very few tracks from these albums are represented on Pure McCartney. As a hard core Paul fan, I have been buying all of these so I am excited about those prospects. I love to get the B sides and other unreleased stuff from those eras. Still curious about why so many tracks from Flaming Pie (and yet they omitted a few of the best songs like Somedays and Young Boy). Maybe the thought is that Flaming Pie will be added after all the ones above so that by the time it is released (at least 3-4 years away) there will be little criticism since Pure McCartney will be "old" at that point. Driving Rain was also not represented so that full treatment Remaster might be in store for DR down the road. And way down the road you have Chaos and Memory Almost Full where you have loads of bonus stuff. In summary, although Pure McCartney may not be important to the hard core fans like us, it is not the end of the world and it does serve a purpose to try to reach new and casual fans. I just don't believe it will do well because that market doesn't seem to buy Macca CD's. Hopefully, I will be surprised.
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I don't think sales are that important (for now), at least a comprehensive "best of" will be out there casual fans who only know the Beatles and Band on the Run. When the inevitable happens 5-15 years from now I'm sure it will be a hot seller, though. With the recent deaths of Bowie and other artists it's possible he realized the importance of having a decently put together "best of", and Wingspan and All the Best didn't cut it.
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Here are Paul's own words on the set: "Me and my team came up with the idea of putting together a collection of my recordings with nothing else in mind other than having something fun to listen to," Paul says of this project. "Maybe it's to be enjoyed on a long car journey or an evening at home or at a party with friends? So we got our heads together and came up with these diverse playlists from various periods of my long and winding career.? I just think there's a market for this, for people who don't have any of his albums, but want a good sampling of what's on them, plus the hits. There are plenty of compilations like this, and I own many, by the likes of the Kinks, the Byrds, Tony Bennett, Cream, and other artists who have huge catalogues that I don't really want to dive into. Ane is correct, I think: this compilation will sell well over the years, like Elton John's 2-CD Rocket Man compilation (it's always on the Billboard 200 albums) and many others like it have.
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Quick question: I notice when I look at Amazon's Pure McCartney Deluxe Edition the following: Tracks from certain albums are showing Remastered designation even when the albums themselves have not been released yet as part of the Archive Series. They include: Flaming Pie Off the Ground Red Rose Speedway Wildlife London Town Back to the Egg Even though the # of songs from the above albums is very limited on Pure McCartney (except for Flaming Pie), DOES THIS MEAN THAT THESE ALBUMS ARE READY FOR ARCHIVE INCLUSION (realizing that this depends when Paul and team would actually be ready to include them and it could be a matter of at least 3-5 years). Thanks
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favoritething:
Well, as others have said, Pure McCartney is not really for hardcore fans, it's for casual fans (young or old). He's probably not too concerned if we don't buy it, because we're the ones buying the Archive sets. But of course, I'll buy it because I'm one of the harder of the hardcore. I won't get the vinyl, but I do NEED the CDs. But that's just me. Call me an April Fool if you like. And I am hoping that perhaps there is something unreleased in some way here. The most notable "rarity" so far is that this is the first official CD release of "Hope For The Future." Thrilling, I know!
If it's for casual fans, I would guess they might be scratching their heads over "Bip Bop," "Temporary Secretary," "Big Barn Bed," and more than a few others that Paul imagines people will have fun listening to. They will imagine they are listening to his all time greats and none of those even remotely qualify. They're cringe-inducing and should never have been released in the first place, let alone on this type of release. IMO Where's "My Brave Face?" "This One?" "So Bad?" One of his compositions from "Run Devil Run?" ops:
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B J Conlee:
Let's face it, it is the true McCartney fans that drive his CD sales. Casual fans (baby boomers and the younger generations) don't seem to buy Macca CD's from what I see.
actually, younger people don't really buy anybody's CDs; they tend to download everything and/or use streaming services. I think very few artists make money from album sales anymore (Adele may be one of the exceptions with her latest album that's sold gazillions :lol. Beatles/Macca completists will buy this set because they have to own every release that's out there. I do tend to buy everything Macca, but I'm not sure yet if I will buy this set; I'm still missing an archive box set or two. ops:
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
Well, as others have said, Pure McCartney is not really for hardcore fans, it's for casual fans (young or old). He's probably not too concerned if we don't buy it, because we're the ones buying the Archive sets. But of course, I'll buy it because I'm one of the harder of the hardcore. I won't get the vinyl, but I do NEED the CDs. But that's just me. Call me an April Fool if you like. And I am hoping that perhaps there is something unreleased in some way here. The most notable "rarity" so far is that this is the first official CD release of "Hope For The Future." Thrilling, I know!
What casual fan gives a rat's arse about these songs? I mean, really? By this logic, Paul's set list would have most of these songs, to expose the 90% of casual fans who are attending his shows these days to these songs. It will be interesting to see how this does. Some hardcore fans will buy this, and some will give it a pass (like me). Casual fans will buy this thinking they are buying a CD with Band On The Run and Silly Love Songs. Or they will read the track listing and pass.
There is a market for this. Casual fans may buy Pure McCartney for the songs they recognize, but if they discover one or two obscure gems, that'll make it worth it. I am stunned by the short-sightedness of you guys. This is a BOLD acknowledgement; Paul McCartney is doing what we've been waiting on the man to do: Acknowledge his friggin' solo catalog with some genuine thought. True, some essentials are missing, but plenty of others are there. Sweet Lordy, this is a good thing, people. Let's hope it influences his stale concerts.