Set List critique
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Both mix jazz-chords with melodic pop. Both are ballads. Both have lush strings with traditional arrangements. Not a big leap, bra'.
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audi:
Both mix jazz-chords with melodic pop. Both are ballads. Both have lush strings with traditional arrangements. Not a big leap, bra'.
No, that's not what you said. You said My Valentine has elements of both eras. Your response says they both do. I half agree. My love is a lush, 70s piano love ballad with strings that would make Cole Porter jealous. It's melody and chord structure are much more complex and much more interesting than My Valentine. Truth is, My Valentine is an homage to a bygone era, and that's all. It is not a complicated melody, nor a very complex song. Ringo would have no trouble singing it. Ringo could not sing My Love.
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At the soundcheck for Missoula tonight, "Hope of Deliverance" was played.
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I wouldn't ever count on Ebony and Ivory ever coming into the set. To be honest, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it did or not. Most people consider this song as well as Silly Love Songs, as the article stated, as the downfall of Paul's solo career. I love Paul's solo career in fact the mass majority of my top 100 songs is composed of songs from Paul's solo career. The thing is the vast majority of people in this world consider Paul's solo carrer garbage as a whole because of those few mess ups he had that unfourtonently did good. In fact I got in to it with a guy who was saying Wings was s*** because of Linda and those goofy moments he had. It's shameful because the bulk of what he did after The Beatles was great and in fact better than The Beatles at times. There are so many people who rely on top 40 charts to dictate what music is considered good or not, and I hate to say it, but these people, the majority of those who inhabit this world, are the reasons we'll never see solo rarities live. Back on topic, the damaged reputation songs like E&I have will probably prevent it from ever being in the main set. These factors contributed to the solo songs being considered in eyes of the vast majority as the "low points". Sure people would know E&I and SLS, but the sad part is they'll draw in ridicule to the shows amongst critics which is about the only thing that Paul will ever listen to. He might as well just do a "Hey Jude" with a two and a half hours of "Na Na Na". There is only one place that will cheer for these songs, Mexico/Latin America/Central America. They will literally cheer if Paul throws up on the crowd..
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SoilyCompany76:
I wouldn't ever count on Ebony and Ivory ever coming into the set. To be honest, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it did or not. Most people consider this song as well as Silly Love Songs, as the article stated, as the downfall of Paul's solo career. I love Paul's solo career in fact the mass majority of my top 100 songs is composed of songs from Paul's solo career. The thing is the vast majority of people in this world consider Paul's solo carrer garbage as a whole because of those few mess ups he had that unfourtonently did good. In fact I got in to it with a guy who was saying Wings was s*** because of Linda and those goofy moments he had. It's shameful because the bulk of what he did after The Beatles was great and in fact better than The Beatles at times. There are so many people who rely on top 40 charts to dictate what music is considered good or not, and I hate to say it, but these people, the majority of those who inhabit this world, are the reasons we'll never see solo rarities live. Back on topic, the damaged reputation songs like E&I have will probably prevent it from ever being in the main set. These factors contributed to the solo songs being considered in eyes of the vast majority as the "low points". Sure people would know E&I and SLS, but the sad part is they'll draw in ridicule to the shows amongst critics which is about the only thing that Paul will ever listen to. He might as well just do a "Hey Jude" with a two and a half hours of "Na Na Na". There is only one place that will cheer for these songs, Mexico/Latin America/Central America. They will literally cheer if Paul throws up on the crowd..
Hard to argue with this.
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About a third of the current setlist is new since I saw his last concert, so I can't wait!
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beatlesfanrandy:
About a third of the current setlist is new since I saw his last concert, so I can't wait!
Yeah, the set list does change. It's not like he is playing the exact set list as 2002. I think some people are concerned that he never plays songs he recorded between, say, 1983 to 2012.
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RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
About a third of the current setlist is new since I saw his last concert, so I can't wait!
Yeah, the set list does change. It's not like he is playing the exact set list as 2002. I think some people are concerned that he never plays songs he recorded between, say, 1983 to 2012.
'Twould be our concern, indeed.
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SoilyCompany76:
I wouldn't ever count on Ebony and Ivory ever coming into the set. To be honest, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it did or not. Most people consider this song as well as Silly Love Songs, as the article stated, as the downfall of Paul's solo career. I love Paul's solo career in fact the mass majority of my top 100 songs is composed of songs from Paul's solo career. The thing is the vast majority of people in this world consider Paul's solo carrer garbage as a whole because of those few mess ups he had that unfourtonently did good. In fact I got in to it with a guy who was saying Wings was s*** because of Linda and those goofy moments he had. It's shameful because the bulk of what he did after The Beatles was great and in fact better than The Beatles at times. There are so many people who rely on top 40 charts to dictate what music is considered good or not, and I hate to say it, but these people, the majority of those who inhabit this world, are the reasons we'll never see solo rarities live. Back on topic, the damaged reputation songs like E&I have will probably prevent it from ever being in the main set. These factors contributed to the solo songs being considered in eyes of the vast majority as the "low points". Sure people would know E&I and SLS, but the sad part is they'll draw in ridicule to the shows amongst critics which is about the only thing that Paul will ever listen to. He might as well just do a "Hey Jude" with a two and a half hours of "Na Na Na". There is only one place that will cheer for these songs, Mexico/Latin America/Central America. They will literally cheer if Paul throws up on the crowd..
I truly disagree : It's Not like Critics hate SOS and E&I but Love obladi & all together now. Critics also slammed hihihi. Dance tonight which he kept on the setlist for a Long time hardly has a claim to be a more substantial song than SOS. Finally Ebony was on the setlist of the Flowers tour. These Are choices Paul himself makes. Why is Anybodys guess. Same thing goes for the unchanging setlist since he resumed touring in July
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Sorry I meant Silly Love Songs by SOS. Must be the approaching remasrers...
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understandable.
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Frank:
I truly disagree : It's Not like Critics hate SOS and E&I but Love obladi & all together now. Critics also slammed hihihi. Dance tonight which he kept on the setlist for a Long time hardly has a claim to be a more substantial song than SOS.
agreed. It was, however, at least a "new" song in terms of his solo catalog, for whatever that's worth. As for All Together Now, one of the tweets I read during the Minneapolis concert was something along the lines of "this is not the best song but it is sure fun to sing along to" or somesuch. I think that is what he is going for with that choice...
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Well, just read the Missoula MT Review of last night's show. Predictably, the review was very favorable. The last line read like, "it will be a long time when Montana will experience standing ovations like we saw last night. I'm paraphrasing but that was the meaning. I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time. I saw a couple of the U-tube clips and that was evidenced. Not sure how he can do it. I think it boils down to his love of his audience. If he senses that they are having a great time, then it is no effort for him to do the same. Obviously, this was a show where 95% of the crowd had probably never seen Paul, so for them it was an experience of a lifetime. The review sort of indicated this. From that point of view it is hard to criticize Paul too much. That's not to say that what many of us "true" fans are saying is wrong. It is hard for us to be enthusiastic about a setlist where we have heard the majority of songs just too many times. Even on the Beatle songs, I would much rather hear "I will" or "Two of Us" much more than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby any day. I know that might be heresy to many but you can only hear even a great song so many times. Don't know how Paul can sing the same songs so many times but to his credit, he surely pleases the casual Beatle and Paul fans.
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B J Conlee:
I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time.
The stories he tells are like this too; those of us who have been to multiple shows have heard them over and over, but to someone seeing him for the first time, they are fresh and funny. Friend of mine saw her first Paul show a few years ago and afterwards she told me that one of her favorite parts was the way he talked to the audience and how relaxed and spontaneous he was during the stories. I didn't have the heart to spoil her experience and tell her that the stories are repeated from show to show.
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B J Conlee:
Well, just read the Missoula MT Review of last night's show. Predictably, the review was very favorable. The last line read like, "it will be a long time when Montana will experience standing ovations like we saw last night. I'm paraphrasing but that was the meaning. I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time. I saw a couple of the U-tube clips and that was evidenced. Not sure how he can do it. I think it boils down to his love of his audience. If he senses that they are having a great time, then it is no effort for him to do the same. Obviously, this was a show where 95% of the crowd had probably never seen Paul, so for them it was an experience of a lifetime. The review sort of indicated this. From that point of view it is hard to criticize Paul too much. That's not to say that what many of us "true" fans are saying is wrong. It is hard for us to be enthusiastic about a setlist where we have heard the majority of songs just too many times. Even on the Beatle songs, I would much rather hear "I will" or "Two of Us" much more than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby any day. I know that might be heresy to many but you can only hear even a great song so many times. Don't know how Paul can sing the same songs so many times but to his credit, he surely pleases the casual Beatle and Paul fans.
These are excellent points. For the first timer, this is the Beatle experience of a life time. But I have seen him eight times in the last 38 years, so I have experienced about 75% of the current show. Therefore it is really hard to justify travelling from Albuquerque to Missoula or Lubbock the hear 8 songs I have never heard him perform live, and three of those I don't care to hear live. So it is clear who his target audience is. And it ain't me!
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thenightfish:
Frank:
I truly disagree : It's Not like Critics hate SOS and E&I but Love obladi & all together now. Critics also slammed hihihi. Dance tonight which he kept on the setlist for a Long time hardly has a claim to be a more substantial song than SOS.
agreed. It was, however, at least a "new" song in terms of his solo catalog, for whatever that's worth. As for All Together Now, one of the tweets I read during the Minneapolis concert was something along the lines of "this is not the best song but it is sure fun to sing along to" or somesuch. I think that is what he is going for with that choice...
Good point, All Together Now really gets the crowd going and participating. Paul seems to feed of the energy, and he always seems to really have a good time during that song.
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To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
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RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Is it one of his best songs, no I agree with that. . Is it enjoyable for most of the crowd including myself, yes at least at the concerts I've been to. Does it seem like he enjoys playing it, definitely. That was my point. No I don't go home either saying I really want to hear All Together Now I along with the rest have my favorites, that I would rather hear. What songs would you travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live?
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forget 64:
What songs would you travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live?
Actually, the one that ends his current shows (Golden Slumbers) comes close (although to your point, I probably will no longer travel long distances for any concert - including Paul)
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RMartinez:
B J Conlee:
Well, just read the Missoula MT Review of last night's show. Predictably, the review was very favorable. The last line read like, "it will be a long time when Montana will experience standing ovations like we saw last night. I'm paraphrasing but that was the meaning. I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time. I saw a couple of the U-tube clips and that was evidenced. Not sure how he can do it. I think it boils down to his love of his audience. If he senses that they are having a great time, then it is no effort for him to do the same. Obviously, this was a show where 95% of the crowd had probably never seen Paul, so for them it was an experience of a lifetime. The review sort of indicated this. From that point of view it is hard to criticize Paul too much. That's not to say that what many of us "true" fans are saying is wrong. It is hard for us to be enthusiastic about a setlist where we have heard the majority of songs just too many times. Even on the Beatle songs, I would much rather hear "I will" or "Two of Us" much more than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby any day. I know that might be heresy to many but you can only hear even a great song so many times. Don't know how Paul can sing the same songs so many times but to his credit, he surely pleases the casual Beatle and Paul fans.
These are excellent points. For the first timer, this is the Beatle experience of a life time. But I have seen him eight times in the last 38 years, so I have experienced about 75% of the current show. Therefore it is really hard to justify travelling from Albuquerque to Missoula or Lubbock the hear 8 songs I have never heard him perform live, and three of those I don't care to hear live. So it is clear who his target audience is. And it ain't me!
I am like you and I have seen him 7 or 8 times, I forget at the moment starting back from 1976. Even if he came back to the city I live, I can't justify the cost of the tickets for 8 songs and like you there are several I really could care less about hearing live.