New in the Charts Thread
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I agree..
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All I'm asking for is one tour with a setlist tailored for (as the man himself described us) "my Flaming Pie crowd" ... ... the ones who have made his albums since 1989 go Gold/Platinum. I really believe that we're entitled to at least one. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a full-scale tour -- how about a week-long stint at Radio City Music Hall or something? Film it. Release it on DVD. And solo-fans like me will gladly STFU.
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Frank:
streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
COULDN`T AGRRE MORE ! Paul seems to feel obliged to sell out arenas and stadiums. Can`t be the money right? No it`s the I am an Ex Beatle and I have to sell out stadiums...even at the cost of a setlist 2/3 of which are drawn entirely from the sixties. Why would we be surprised that everybody outside this board thinks he is an oldies act ? That`s the message Paul himself puts across!It`s such a shame, because people don`t even bother with his new stuff. The hardcore fans buy it in the first two weeks and then it vanishes. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "MY STUFF FROM THE PAST 40 YEARS IS HARDLY WORTH PLAYING LIVE" THEY END UP BELIEVING YOU !
While i agree with you,the bottom line for any tour is money,simple as that,Paul feels at this stage of the game that he has to play almost exclusively stadiums and arenas and they make the money he feels he is worth,time and again these shows are a total sell out reinforcing the view that this is the way to go and a mainly Beatles type show to fill those venues is also the way to be seeing him live. Ive said it many times the only way he will change this style is to play half empty venues.that and im pretty sure only that would make him change course we his fans dont help this log jam,until we can stay away he feels,rightly given the numbers that turn up each night he's doing the right thing,quite how he'll change and i dont think he will either is beyond me. I think as well Paul has a large set of fans but isn't really gather new ones along the way in any great numbers,NEW's sales seem to back this up to that its mainly his longtime fans buying the album,but we have to accept he is 71 now how many 71 year olds crash into the charts at number 1 at any time of the year?i feel like you NEW wont be troubling the charts much after the next couple of weeks sadly as sales tail off and then the cycle begins again why should he play new stuff etc when the old it really is never ending argument. Anyway sorry for the ramble.
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An album specific performance, like Live Kisses.
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cfergoid:
Sitting at Number 4 in the UK weeks, behind some kid I've never heard of, Pearl Jam and Cher. I bet the Radio 'performance' today really helped...
No, Paul eventually slipped past Cher in sales and landed at #3!!!
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audi:
All I'm asking for is one tour with a setlist tailored for (as the man himself described us) "my Flaming Pie crowd" ... ... the ones who have made his albums since 1989 go Gold/Platinum. I really believe that we're entitled to at least one. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a full-scale tour -- how about a week-long stint at Radio City Music Hall or something? Film it. Release it on DVD. And solo-fans like me will gladly STFU.
Yes, there's got to be some way to do it. Even what Perry says, a studio performance like Live Kisses.
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favoritething:
audi:
All I'm asking for is one tour with a setlist tailored for (as the man himself described us) "my Flaming Pie crowd" ... ... the ones who have made his albums since 1989 go Gold/Platinum. I really believe that we're entitled to at least one. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a full-scale tour -- how about a week-long stint at Radio City Music Hall or something? Film it. Release it on DVD. And solo-fans like me will gladly STFU.
Yes, there's got to be some way to do it. Even what Perry says, a studio performance like Live Kisses.
Maybe a two-nighter: The first night NEW in its entirety. Band On The Run the next night. Two albums that I'd love to hear performed from beginning-to-end. Incidentally, I am quite impressed by how Paul hasn't missed a beat in all these performances of the new songs. He could easily learn/rehearse his new songs and neglected gems and put together a nice new, special show or two.
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audi:
All I'm asking for is one tour with a setlist tailored for (as the man himself described us) "my Flaming Pie crowd" ... ... the ones who have made his albums since 1989 go Gold/Platinum. I really believe that we're entitled to at least one. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a full-scale tour -- how about a week-long stint at Radio City Music Hall or something? Film it. Release it on DVD. And solo-fans like me will gladly STFU.
I agree 100% and would pay big time dollars to see it !!
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Danish Macca:
I think that Dylan is at least as big a musical icon as McCartney.
IMO - Nobody is as big a icon as any Beatle especially McCartney. While you can say Dylan is his equal as a songwriter he can't compare to McCartney vocally or as a musician. Even now, you see people with tears in their eyes and smiles on their faces listening to McCartney in concert. I doubt Dylan gets that type of reaction even if you can understand what he is singing. Put it this way, if Dylan showed up in the middle of Times Square to play for 15 minutes do you think there would be the same reaction, I doubt it.
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hengirl:
Frank:
streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
COULDN`T AGRRE MORE ! Paul seems to feel obliged to sell out arenas and stadiums. Can`t be the money right? No it`s the I am an Ex Beatle and I have to sell out stadiums...even at the cost of a setlist 2/3 of which are drawn entirely from the sixties. Why would we be surprised that everybody outside this board thinks he is an oldies act ? That`s the message Paul himself puts across!It`s such a shame, because people don`t even bother with his new stuff. The hardcore fans buy it in the first two weeks and then it vanishes. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "MY STUFF FROM THE PAST 40 YEARS IS HARDLY WORTH PLAYING LIVE" THEY END UP BELIEVING YOU !
While i agree with you,the bottom line for any tour is money,simple as that,Paul feels at this stage of the game that he has to play almost exclusively stadiums and arenas and they make the money he feels he is worth,time and again these shows are a total sell out reinforcing the view that this is the way to go and a mainly Beatles type show to fill those venues is also the way to be seeing him live. Ive said it many times the only way he will change this style is to play half empty venues.that and im pretty sure only that would make him change course we his fans dont help this log jam,until we can stay away he feels,rightly given the numbers that turn up each night he's doing the right thing,quite how he'll change and i dont think he will either is beyond me. I think as well Paul has a large set of fans but isn't really gather new ones along the way in any great numbers,NEW's sales seem to back this up to that its mainly his longtime fans buying the album,but we have to accept he is 71 now how many 71 year olds crash into the charts at number 1 at any time of the year?i feel like you NEW wont be troubling the charts much after the next couple of weeks sadly as sales tail off and then the cycle begins again why should he play new stuff etc when the old it really is never ending argument. Anyway sorry for the ramble.
McCartney has stated numerous times when deciding a setlist he thinks primarily about the fan who is seeing him for the first time so that tells you setlist will be Beatle heavy. McCartney plays around 10 songs that are not Beatle songs in his shows. It does not seem that much because McCartney plays around 34-36 songs and almost 3 hrs. I am sure in the upcoming shows, there will be at least 4-5 songs from "New". It will be interesting to see what they replace in setlist. I agree with people that I would also like more balance and would love to hear things like "Take It Away", "House of Wax", "Too Much Rain", That Was Me" and "Dance Til We're High" but know that will not happen. IMO - McCartney really has no idea how much people like his solo songs.
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yankeefan7:
hengirl:
Frank:
streetlegal:
I see Dylan keeps cropping up in this discussion and it reminded me of something Bob said ( this is from the liner notes of his Tell Tale Signs Bootleg Series album) it's probably from the late 90's or early 2000's: "I was beginning to encounter a different audience at my shows...a younger audience...My usual audience, which had followed me from sometime in the sixties, were locked in a certain time warp. They liked to hear the old songs and the old songs were fine ...(but) I sort of was betting on my new audience and I kinda forgot about the old one." Bob didn't stop playing the old songs ( although he just about has done now with only 3 songs in the main set -1 from the 60's & 2 from the 70's) but there was/is nothing nostalgic about his shows. The combination of constant year on year touring and the refusal to look back obviously rules out filling the massive stadiums and Arena's Paul regularly fills but this audience is where the number one records come from. I have friends younger than me who have Dylan's most recent albums but not his older ones and I also know people who hate how he sounds now and don't buy his records any more. I think this is what Dylan was talking about in the above quote-he has found a new audience who don't 'judge' him on what he used to be but are interested in what he's doing now. Is it a surprise when Paul struggles ( relatively) to sell new records when his shows are pretty much all about the past-everyone here is interested in his new music & I'm sure the more casual fans would be if only he'd play more of it live-even a perfect PR campaign would be far less effective than playing more recent tunes in front of tens of thousands of people! Mccartney is ( not was) a genius -even a cursory listen to his recent albums proves he remains a brilliant writer but I can't help thinking he has shot himself in the foot by years of touring sets dominated by the old favourites-it provides plenty of ammunition for the fools who dislike him to dismiss him as a has-been. In the current youth obsessed, flavour of the month pop scene, the only realistic way for older musicians to reach a wide audience with their new material is in the live setting. If New had been released during one of the legs of a Paul tour ( assuming he played a reasonable number of the songs) it almost certainly would have topped the US charts.
COULDN`T AGRRE MORE ! Paul seems to feel obliged to sell out arenas and stadiums. Can`t be the money right? No it`s the I am an Ex Beatle and I have to sell out stadiums...even at the cost of a setlist 2/3 of which are drawn entirely from the sixties. Why would we be surprised that everybody outside this board thinks he is an oldies act ? That`s the message Paul himself puts across!It`s such a shame, because people don`t even bother with his new stuff. The hardcore fans buy it in the first two weeks and then it vanishes. WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "MY STUFF FROM THE PAST 40 YEARS IS HARDLY WORTH PLAYING LIVE" THEY END UP BELIEVING YOU !
While i agree with you,the bottom line for any tour is money,simple as that,Paul feels at this stage of the game that he has to play almost exclusively stadiums and arenas and they make the money he feels he is worth,time and again these shows are a total sell out reinforcing the view that this is the way to go and a mainly Beatles type show to fill those venues is also the way to be seeing him live. Ive said it many times the only way he will change this style is to play half empty venues.that and im pretty sure only that would make him change course we his fans dont help this log jam,until we can stay away he feels,rightly given the numbers that turn up each night he's doing the right thing,quite how he'll change and i dont think he will either is beyond me. I think as well Paul has a large set of fans but isn't really gather new ones along the way in any great numbers,NEW's sales seem to back this up to that its mainly his longtime fans buying the album,but we have to accept he is 71 now how many 71 year olds crash into the charts at number 1 at any time of the year?i feel like you NEW wont be troubling the charts much after the next couple of weeks sadly as sales tail off and then the cycle begins again why should he play new stuff etc when the old it really is never ending argument. Anyway sorry for the ramble.
McCartney has stated numerous times when deciding a setlist he thinks primarily about the fan who is seeing him for the first time so that tells you setlist will be Beatle heavy. McCartney plays around 10 songs that are not Beatle songs in his shows. It does not seem that much because McCartney plays around 34-36 songs and almost 3 hrs. I am sure in the upcoming shows, there will be at least 4-5 songs from "New". It will be interesting to see what they replace in setlist. I agree with people that I would also like more balance and would love to hear things like "Take It Away", "House of Wax", "Too Much Rain", That Was Me" and "Dance Til We're High" but know that will not happen. IMO - McCartney really has no idea how much people like his solo songs.
And even if certain solo songs didn't get an instant, thunderous response from the audience, it would be just as satisfying to hear that scant, few people in the audience going absolutely apesh-t.
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There is no change at the top of the French albums chart as Stromae spends his eighth non-consecutive week at Number One with Racine Carrée in his ninth week inside the top 10 (33,946 sales / -21%). New debuts at number two for Paul McCartney with 10,321 sales. The new LP is Paul McCartney?s highest-charting solo album ever ! But we can notice that the first French albums chart was only published in January 1985, and it was a monthly Top 20. New is his third top 10 album in the 21st century, Chaos And Creation In The Backyard reached number three in September 2005, and Kisses On The Bottom entered and peaked at four in February 2012 with 11,563 copies sold. In her second week on the chart, Hélène Segara slips one place at three with Et Si Tu N?Existais Pas (8,544 sales / -19%).
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audi:
yankeefan7:
IMO - McCartney really has no idea how much people like his solo songs.
And even if certain solo songs didn't get an instant, thunderous response from the audience, it would be just as satisfying to hear that scant, few people in the audience going absolutely apesh-t.
Absolutely, I'll never forget the ecstatic yet somewhat scattered response to "Too Many People"! He didn't tour for Flaming Pie, so that would be a good one to pull a track or two from. And of course the Japanese fans are clamoring for "No More Lonely Nights" this time. Wonder if he'll accommodate them?
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audi:
favoritething:
audi:
All I'm asking for is one tour with a setlist tailored for (as the man himself described us) "my Flaming Pie crowd" ... ... the ones who have made his albums since 1989 go Gold/Platinum. I really believe that we're entitled to at least one. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a full-scale tour -- how about a week-long stint at Radio City Music Hall or something? Film it. Release it on DVD. And solo-fans like me will gladly STFU.
Yes, there's got to be some way to do it. Even what Perry says, a studio performance like Live Kisses.
Maybe a two-nighter: The first night NEW in its entirety. Band On The Run the next night. Two albums that I'd love to hear performed from beginning-to-end. Incidentally, I am quite impressed by how Paul hasn't missed a beat in all these performances of the new songs. He could easily learn/rehearse his new songs and neglected gems and put together a nice new, special show or two.
As I've often said...he could do the first nite as he is right now but do SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT for the 2nd nite.
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Works for me.
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oobu24:
audi:
favoritething:
audi:
All I'm asking for is one tour with a setlist tailored for (as the man himself described us) "my Flaming Pie crowd" ... ... the ones who have made his albums since 1989 go Gold/Platinum. I really believe that we're entitled to at least one. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a full-scale tour -- how about a week-long stint at Radio City Music Hall or something? Film it. Release it on DVD. And solo-fans like me will gladly STFU.
Yes, there's got to be some way to do it. Even what Perry says, a studio performance like Live Kisses.
Maybe a two-nighter: The first night NEW in its entirety. Band On The Run the next night. Two albums that I'd love to hear performed from beginning-to-end. Incidentally, I am quite impressed by how Paul hasn't missed a beat in all these performances of the new songs. He could easily learn/rehearse his new songs and neglected gems and put together a nice new, special show or two.
As I've often said...he could do the first nite as he is right now but do SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT for the 2nd nite.
The second night could even be something like: a few new tracks, one or two Beatles hits, plus singles that have never or rarely been performed live: Just starting from after the last Wings tour, he can choose from at least: Temporary Secretary, Waterfalls, Tug Of War, Take It Away, So Bad, Pipes Of Peace, Say Say Say (with, uh, Justin Timberlake? Tom Jones?), No More Lonely Nights, We All Stand Together, Spies Like Us (ha!), Press, Stranglehold, Only Love Remains, Pretty Little Head, Once Upon A Long Ago, Off The Ground, Young Boy, The World Tonight, Beautiful Night, No Other Baby, From A Lover To A Friend, Ever Present Past, Nod Your Head, Dance 'Til We're High.
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Final Numbers: #3 on hitsdailydouble... 1 Pearl Jam - Lightning Bolt 169,687 2 Miley Cyrus - Bangerz 73,689 3 Paul McCartney - New 66,724
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Hate to break the bad news but NEW dropped to 4 on hitsdailydouble with about half the sales in. I was sure he wouldn`t outsell Pearl Jam but was very much hoping the album would enter at 2. Oh well go on dreaming ... yeah sure I´d love to hear him play the entire album live plus Lonely Road, About you, The world tonight, Somedays, You tell me, too much rain, Riding to vanity fair, Arrow through me, Wanderlust, With a little luck, Baby`s request, A Certain Softness, Getting Closer, Tomorrow, Dear boy, Junk, When the night, Warm and beutiful AND....STOP...It`s not going to happen because the movement you need is on your shoulder naa, naa, naa na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na
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Oooops sorry must have happend while I was posting. Still MAF entered at 3 and NEW is far superior
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Number 3 in the US...behind Pearl Jam and Miley Cyrus. Disappointing sales figures IMO. Pearl Jam 170k Miley 74k Paul 67k Miley was in her second week