2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
FlowersOnTheRun:
I doubt this means anything, but per Fans on the Run they posted a pic of paul and nancy wearing Wings jackets in Japan with the caption "and the theme is WINGS"
_______________________________________________________ Maybe we could get 3-4 songs from London Town and Back to the Egg. At least that would bring some excitement.
The heck with the theme being Wings, how about the theme being music after 1980 - lol.
________________________________________________________ Long time since I've seen any of your posts. You gave me a real good laugh with your comment above. Are you enjoying Disc 2 on the FITD package. Personally I love it. How does Paul not put "Lovers That Never Were" on FITD. And how can it be that he never performed "Lovers or That Day is Done" one time on a tour. Both are absolutely classic songs. And how does not one of his kids bring up the fact that he ignores great Post 1980 songs that he hasn't never done live. Unfortunately I don't think he could sing either song today. But how about 2002, 2005 etc.
Glad I was able to give you a good laugh. Mr. McCartney did plenty of songs from FITD (believe it was 6) on his 1989 your. The problem is that he very rarely goes back to a solo record after it is not the current album he has out and do wonderful songs like the ones you mentioned. You are right, "Lovers That Never Were" would have fit perfectly on FITD. It was a long time ago but wasn't "That Day Is Done" one of the songs on his film before the concerts during his 1989 tour.
_____________________________________________________ Yes, you are right...he doesn't go back to solo songs unless it is a current album that he is promoting. It is such a shame. I understand why he didn't do "That Day is Done" or "The Lovers That Never Were" at the time those albums were out since he did others from the same albums. He also did quite a few "Off the Ground" songs on the 1992 tour (if I have my year correct). But his voice was still very good in 2002 or 2005. Why didn't he do either song (or both) on those tours. I understand that he needs to fill the arenas/stadiums with a good amount of Beatles' songs but he had room to throw in a few Solo songs. And I'm not talking about obscure or 2nd tier songs here...really fantastic songs. Like you have said, how does he ignore "Take It Away" a hit record from 1982 I believe. Even if he nixed some of the Wings' songs he always played in favor of some great Solo songs he had never done. In 2002 I thought he was the best performer in the world (so did Howard Stern if you remember) but after 2005 he started to just go through the motions. And it is not because he didn't have great songs he had never performed live before. I know...I'm preaching to the choir here. I see that he is going back to the US again, hitting secondary cities. And that is great but if he puts out the same type of setlist he's been doing, I won't go. Another version of the Pepper reprise...who cares. As much as I love him, I won't spend that kind of money.
It is really sad and I feel like a broken record. Like I said in previous post, he had at least 4-5 months to rehearse and do some different songs from his solo catalog. I have said for years I would not go to see him again (last saw him in 2011), why go and hear basically the same type of show with a worse singing voice. I get no excitement hearing about his live performances because it is the same old thing. Would love to hear him prove me wrong but I truly doubt it. I much rather hear news about a new album.BTW - think "Off The Ground Tour" was 1993. I saw him in Charlotte that tour, concert I was at was televised by FOX.
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B J Conlee:
Just saw basically the setlist for the 1st Japan show. Please Paul...is this the best you can do. Instead of hobnobbing with the Likes of Tom Hanks, the Obama's, David Geffen etc. , can't you spend some time rehearsing some real additions (not songs you've done before) for a new tour. You have always given the fans great value from a standpoint of quantity (almost 3 hours) but now you're just going through the motions instead of trying to give your true fans a different show with songs you've never done before. You surely have plenty of them. I don' care if he ended up playing in the same little Florida town where I live, I probably wouldn't go. Any songs that he adds are just retreads from previous shows. Not a surprise but not one song from the FITD years where he just promoted his latest reissue. He used to be a great performer but as I said, he just goes through the motions now being basically Beatle Paul. What a disappointment and as I also said, I love the guy and he is my favorite. Over the Memorial Day weekend, I'm going to a 5 day Beatles festival right around Louisville KY. They have many tribute bands, singer-songwriters etc. who will do all kinds of songs. Maybe one of them (I hope) will concentrated on Paul (post 1980) and I will hear the songs I would love to hear. Unfortunately, I definitely won't hear it from the master himself.
Same old songs and once he hits the US it will be the same old between song stories. I am disappointed also, he is an a "oldies" act and it does not bother him one bit. I miss the days years ago when he wanted to be a relevant artist in concert. In 1989, he actually opened the show with "Figure Of Eight". I also wonder how his band feels playing these shows and if they get bored. I understand they get paid well but they can do this type of show in their sleep - lol. He is going to be 75 in a couple of months so let's face the fact he will never do any of the songs we wished he would sing live. He has so much great music that will never truly be appreciated because he refused to embrace this music in concert - oh well.
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Not that I think the song (or album) is any good, but realise he can rehearse and perform a now obscure solo songs like 'Looking For Changes' (or 'Cosmically Conscious' years before, while I was there to experience it, point is the same) for a millionaire charity crowd, but can get his regular crowd - who's still paying through the nose - only one new solo song (hits even!) every 200 gigs on average.
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Just saw basically the setlist for the 1st Japan show. Please Paul...is this the best you can do. Instead of hobnobbing with the Likes of Tom Hanks, the Obama's, David Geffen etc. , can't you spend some time rehearsing some real additions (not songs you've done before) for a new tour. You have always given the fans great value from a standpoint of quantity (almost 3 hours) but now you're just going through the motions instead of trying to give your true fans a different show with songs you've never done before. You surely have plenty of them. I don' care if he ended up playing in the same little Florida town where I live, I probably wouldn't go. Any songs that he adds are just retreads from previous shows. Not a surprise but not one song from the FITD years where he just promoted his latest reissue. He used to be a great performer but as I said, he just goes through the motions now being basically Beatle Paul. What a disappointment and as I also said, I love the guy and he is my favorite. Over the Memorial Day weekend, I'm going to a 5 day Beatles festival right around Louisville KY. They have many tribute bands, singer-songwriters etc. who will do all kinds of songs. Maybe one of them (I hope) will concentrated on Paul (post 1980) and I will hear the songs I would love to hear. Unfortunately, I definitely won't hear it from the master himself.
Same old songs and once he hits the US it will be the same old between song stories. I am disappointed also, he is an a "oldies" act and it does not bother him one bit. I miss the days years ago when he wanted to be a relevant artist in concert. In 1989, he actually opened the show with "Figure Of Eight". I also wonder how his band feels playing these shows and if they get bored. I understand they get paid well but they can do this type of show in their sleep - lol. He is going to be 75 in a couple of months so let's face the fact he will never do any of the songs we wished he would sing live. He has so much great music that will never truly be appreciated because he refused to embrace this music in concert - oh well.
As someone who has seen him 7 times (all post 2011) I would love for some more solo songs. But his relevance as an artist has nothing to do with what he played live in concerts. People made the decision long ago that he was too old and stopped caring about anything new.
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Macca84:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Just saw basically the setlist for the 1st Japan show. Please Paul...is this the best you can do. Instead of hobnobbing with the Likes of Tom Hanks, the Obama's, David Geffen etc. , can't you spend some time rehearsing some real additions (not songs you've done before) for a new tour. You have always given the fans great value from a standpoint of quantity (almost 3 hours) but now you're just going through the motions instead of trying to give your true fans a different show with songs you've never done before. You surely have plenty of them. I don' care if he ended up playing in the same little Florida town where I live, I probably wouldn't go. Any songs that he adds are just retreads from previous shows. Not a surprise but not one song from the FITD years where he just promoted his latest reissue. He used to be a great performer but as I said, he just goes through the motions now being basically Beatle Paul. What a disappointment and as I also said, I love the guy and he is my favorite. Over the Memorial Day weekend, I'm going to a 5 day Beatles festival right around Louisville KY. They have many tribute bands, singer-songwriters etc. who will do all kinds of songs. Maybe one of them (I hope) will concentrated on Paul (post 1980) and I will hear the songs I would love to hear. Unfortunately, I definitely won't hear it from the master himself.
Same old songs and once he hits the US it will be the same old between song stories. I am disappointed also, he is an a "oldies" act and it does not bother him one bit. I miss the days years ago when he wanted to be a relevant artist in concert. In 1989, he actually opened the show with "Figure Of Eight". I also wonder how his band feels playing these shows and if they get bored. I understand they get paid well but they can do this type of show in their sleep - lol. He is going to be 75 in a couple of months so let's face the fact he will never do any of the songs we wished he would sing live. He has so much great music that will never truly be appreciated because he refused to embrace this music in concert - oh well.
As someone who has seen him 7 times (all post 2011) I would love for some more solo songs. But his relevance as an artist has nothing to do with what he played live in concerts. People made the decision long ago that he was too old and stopped caring about anything new.
"Mr. McCartney said in 1989 that he wanted new album (FITD) out before touring again because he wanted to show he was still a relevant artist and not some oldies act in concert. I understand that was many years ago but that was his thinking back then. He was still quite capable in 2002 to really shake things up again because he had not toured in almost a decade but it was still basically a Beatles show.
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nobodytoldme:
Not that I think the song (or album) is any good, but realise he can rehearse and perform a now obscure solo songs like 'Looking For Changes' (or 'Cosmically Conscious' years before, while I was there to experience it, point is the same) for a millionaire charity crowd, but can get his regular crowd - who's still paying through the nose - only one new solo song (hits even!) every 200 gigs on average.
That is depressing to me - lol. I wonder if he ever thinks that the people who buy his new albums/CD's actually go to his concerts and want to hear that music.
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yankeefan7:
"Mr. McCartney said in 1989 that he wanted new album (FITD) out before touring again because he wanted to show he was still a relevant artist and not some oldies act in concert. I understand that was many years ago but that was his thinking back then. He was still quite capable in 2002 to really shake things up again because he had not toured in almost a decade but it was still basically a Beatles show.
Understood, but if relevance is measured by #1 albums or hit singles, then I don't know what he can do at this point. Playing new stuff in concert isn't moving the needle. Hundreds of thousands of people attended his US concerts in 14 and 15 and it's not like "New" got any bump in sales.
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yankeefan7:
nobodytoldme:
Not that I think the song (or album) is any good, but realise he can rehearse and perform a now obscure solo songs like 'Looking For Changes' (or 'Cosmically Conscious' years before, while I was there to experience it, point is the same) for a millionaire charity crowd, but can get his regular crowd - who's still paying through the nose - only one new solo song (hits even!) every 200 gigs on average.
That is depressing to me - lol. I wonder if he ever thinks that the people who buy his new albums/CD's actually go to his concerts and want to hear that music.
It is. And he don't. He always "sandwiches" any solo song in between huge Beatles songs or introduces them in a self-depriving way. Fair enough, he gives the people (the masses) what they want, but I get really cynical when his setlist goes in circles exactly at the same time he's playing the so-called secondary markets. Until now I thought he did it 1/3rd for the fun, 1/3rd for the addiction to validation/Beatles "screwed over" trauma and 1/3rd for the money, but I think the latter two categories are playing a bigger role these days than we might have hoped. I know I won't be flying out with so many great new acts putting on a different show every night.
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No shows near me so far, but even if there are I'm not going. I just have no desire to hear him do almost entirely songs I've heard him play before when his voice was better. Now, if he suddenly changed gears and added That Was Me, Arrow Through Me, Friends to Go and That Day Is Done, I'd reconsider.
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B J Conlee:
Just saw basically the setlist for the 1st Japan show. Please Paul...is this the best you can do. Instead of hobnobbing with the Likes of Tom Hanks, the Obama's, David Geffen etc. , can't you spend some time rehearsing some real additions (not songs you've done before) for a new tour. You have always given the fans great value from a standpoint of quantity (almost 3 hours) but now you're just going through the motions instead of trying to give your true fans a different show with songs you've never done before. You surely have plenty of them. I don' care if he ended up playing in the same little Florida town where I live, I probably wouldn't go. Any songs that he adds are just retreads from previous shows. Not a surprise but not one song from the FITD years where he just promoted his latest reissue. He used to be a great performer but as I said, he just goes through the motions now being basically Beatle Paul. What a disappointment and as I also said, I love the guy and he is my favorite. Over the Memorial Day weekend, I'm going to a 5 day Beatles festival right around Louisville KY. They have many tribute bands, singer-songwriters etc. who will do all kinds of songs. Maybe one of them (I hope) will concentrated on Paul (post 1980) and I will hear the songs I would love to hear. Unfortunately, I definitely won't hear it from the master himself.
________________________________________________________ Just to give some examples of my extreme disappointment in yesterday's (1st show) Setlist: Songs from the Japan Setlist that should go away *Jet - has done it a million times, just get rid of it *Drive My Car - another Beatles' song he has done so many times *Let Me Roll It to you - what show hasn't he done this one; overdone as badly as Radio ruined Ebony and Ivory; * My Valentine - nice addition a few years ago but enough already; you've got so many others that have never been played *Maybe I'm Amazed - you play it at every show and as much as I hate to say it...you can't hit the notes anymore. I would rather hear him do something good in his range. *We Can Work It Out - Again, how many times are you going to drag it out *Queenie Eye - nice when you added it, but bring out another song you have never done *Lady Madonna - Enough already...time to give it a rest. *I Wanna Be Your Man - Are you kidding me...is this the big new addition. Third tier Beatle song at best *Mr. Kite - Ok, you've done this a couple of tours now, give us something you've never done before *Sgt. Peppers Reprise - again, you've done this before *Hi Hi Hi - Ok, nice addltion a few years ago but time to bring out another song you've never done before I understand that there are some signature songs he had to do...Let It Be, Yesterday, Hey Jude, Band on the Run, and maybe a few more but there are so many additional choices you could do. Great songs (not obscure ones) that he has never done live (or only very rarely done) Take It Away (Tug of War) Wanderlust (Tug of War) Tug of War (Tug of War) Young Boy (Flaming Pie) Little Willow (Flaming Pie) Lovers that Never Were (Off the Ground) That Day is Done (Flowers in the Dirt) Promise to You Girl (Chaos and Creation) Too Much Rain (Chaos and Creation) Friend to Go (Chaos and Creation) Ever Present Past (Memory almost Full) That Was Me (Memory Almost Full) done at only a handful of shows House of Wax (Memory Almost Full) done at only a handful of shows Early Days (New) I have often said that Paul's Post Beatles (and Post Wings) career is terribly underrated and doesn't get the respect it deserves. But how can it, when the Man himself doesn't respect such a big portion of his career.
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We'll never hear a single one of them live. Not a one. You're points are totally valid...although I love Jet, Let Me Roll it, Hi Hi Hi, and Drive My Car live...I never tire of them really. The rest? There's countless tunes to replace them.
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OMG, now you guys have got me all depressed! I don't disagree with you, but I'm rethinking tomorrow's presale. Maybe I won't get the Hot Sound package. Maybe just the GOLD VIP. I don't know. I know his voice sucks, especially on MIA, but I think I just want to see him one more time, and since he is practically playing down the street from me (and the parking is free!) I want to be there. I have the money, so what the hell? You only live once, right?
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Nancy R:
OMG, now you guys have got me all depressed! I don't disagree with you, but I'm rethinking tomorrow's presale. Maybe I won't get the Hot Sound package. Maybe just the GOLD VIP. I don't know. I know his voice sucks, especially on MIA, but I think I just want to see him one more time, and since he is practically playing down the street from me (and the parking is free!) I want to be there. I have the money, so what the hell? You only live once, right?
If I were you, I wouldn't miss it for the world. I personally think the current state of his voice is vastly exaggerated and often times suffers from poor recording devices. At the three shows I saw last year, there was only one consistent problem: "Maybe I'm Amazed". It has GOT to go. Sure there were some minor blips here and there in other random parts of the set...but nothing that infringed on enjoying the experience and certainly nothing close to what a 74 year old voice that has smoked nearly all of its years on earth should sound like.
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I would like to hear: I Want To Hold Your Hand (as the opening song) Helen Wheels (Instead of Hi Hi Hi) The Back Seat Of My Car (Instead of Here There and Everywhere and HT&E instead of Maybe I'm Amazed) When I'm 64 (Instead of Back In The USSR) Good Morning Good Morning (Instead of Mr Kite) Rocky Raccoon (Instead of We Can Work It Out)
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I wrote to Abe Laboriel on twitter to aks to suggest to Paul new songs for the setlist. I think that nobody of Macca staff reads the messages of this board, so maybe is more effective write at their twitter profiles
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Macca84:
yankeefan7:
"Mr. McCartney said in 1989 that he wanted new album (FITD) out before touring again because he wanted to show he was still a relevant artist and not some oldies act in concert. I understand that was many years ago but that was his thinking back then. He was still quite capable in 2002 to really shake things up again because he had not toured in almost a decade but it was still basically a Beatles show.
Understood, but if relevance is measured by #1 albums or hit singles, then I don't know what he can do at this point. Playing new stuff in concert isn't moving the needle. Hundreds of thousands of people attended his US concerts in 14 and 15 and it's not like "New" got any bump in sales.
His new albums usually enter the charts fairly high but don't stay there long. I think relevance for him IMO is that he is not an artist content on hardly playing anything past 1980 which is 37 years ago. Sadly, this is not true.
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corchians:
I wrote to Abe Laboriel on twitter to aks to suggest to Paul new songs for the setlist. I think that nobody of Macca staff reads the messages of this board, so maybe is more effective write at their twitter profiles
Good luck - lol. I am sure the band would like to mix it up more, unfortunately their boss does not want to.
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B J Conlee:
B J Conlee:
Just saw basically the setlist for the 1st Japan show. Please Paul...is this the best you can do. Instead of hobnobbing with the Likes of Tom Hanks, the Obama's, David Geffen etc. , can't you spend some time rehearsing some real additions (not songs you've done before) for a new tour. You have always given the fans great value from a standpoint of quantity (almost 3 hours) but now you're just going through the motions instead of trying to give your true fans a different show with songs you've never done before. You surely have plenty of them. I don' care if he ended up playing in the same little Florida town where I live, I probably wouldn't go. Any songs that he adds are just retreads from previous shows. Not a surprise but not one song from the FITD years where he just promoted his latest reissue. He used to be a great performer but as I said, he just goes through the motions now being basically Beatle Paul. What a disappointment and as I also said, I love the guy and he is my favorite. Over the Memorial Day weekend, I'm going to a 5 day Beatles festival right around Louisville KY. They have many tribute bands, singer-songwriters etc. who will do all kinds of songs. Maybe one of them (I hope) will concentrated on Paul (post 1980) and I will hear the songs I would love to hear. Unfortunately, I definitely won't hear it from the master himself.
________________________________________________________ Just to give some examples of my extreme disappointment in yesterday's (1st show) Setlist: Songs from the Japan Setlist that should go away *Jet - has done it a million times, just get rid of it *Drive My Car - another Beatles' song he has done so many times *Let Me Roll It to you - what show hasn't he done this one; overdone as badly as Radio ruined Ebony and Ivory; * My Valentine - nice addition a few years ago but enough already; you've got so many others that have never been played *Maybe I'm Amazed - you play it at every show and as much as I hate to say it...you can't hit the notes anymore. I would rather hear him do something good in his range. *We Can Work It Out - Again, how many times are you going to drag it out *Queenie Eye - nice when you added it, but bring out another song you have never done *Lady Madonna - Enough already...time to give it a rest. *I Wanna Be Your Man - Are you kidding me...is this the big new addition. Third tier Beatle song at best *Mr. Kite - Ok, you've done this a couple of tours now, give us something you've never done before *Sgt. Peppers Reprise - again, you've done this before *Hi Hi Hi - Ok, nice addltion a few years ago but time to bring out another song you've never done before I understand that there are some signature songs he had to do...Let It Be, Yesterday, Hey Jude, Band on the Run, and maybe a few more but there are so many additional choices you could do. Great songs (not obscure ones) that he has never done live (or only very rarely done) Take It Away (Tug of War) Wanderlust (Tug of War) Tug of War (Tug of War) Young Boy (Flaming Pie) Little Willow (Flaming Pie) Lovers that Never Were (Off the Ground) That Day is Done (Flowers in the Dirt) Promise to You Girl (Chaos and Creation) Too Much Rain (Chaos and Creation) Friend to Go (Chaos and Creation) Ever Present Past (Memory almost Full) That Was Me (Memory Almost Full) done at only a handful of shows House of Wax (Memory Almost Full) done at only a handful of shows Early Days (New) I have often said that Paul's Post Beatles (and Post Wings) career is terribly underrated and doesn't get the respect it deserves. But how can it, when the Man himself doesn't respect such a big portion of his career.
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yankeefan7:
corchians:
I wrote to Abe Laboriel on twitter to aks to suggest to Paul new songs for the setlist. I think that nobody of Macca staff reads the messages of this board, so maybe is more effective write at their twitter profiles
Good luck - lol. I am sure the band would like to mix it up more, unfortunately their boss does not want to.
absolutly that's the reason! It is confirmed by the fact of Temporary Secretary that there is absolutly no barrier (maybe except his current voice) for other wings / SOLO songs. It's simply more important for him to play songs for a crowd "coming to see BEATLE paul". I'll never understand this unbalanced setting while he creates and releases new great music A few days ago I realized that there is at least one special live performance for the two non pop album Run devil run and Kisses on the button. It's like a joke while there is lot's of better stuff written by the man himself... :