EGYPT STATION
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Bruce M. wrote:
I'm going to partially disagree with BJ about the singles released from the album. Come On To Me did better in terms of radio airplay than any Paul single in at least 20 years, cracking the top 10 in 2 different formats -- AC and Triple A. It's catchy, relatively modern, and works pretty well on radio. What it doesn't do is represent the album well. Along with Fuh You, it's probably the shallowest tune on the album, with the least going on both musically and lyrically. I don't dislike it, but profound it ain't, and I think much of this album is genuinely profound.
I Don't Know is lovely, but it never struck me as single material. I'm not sure that they really marketed it to radio, but I'm not positive. They DID try to promote Ceasar Rock to Triple A radio and it flopped badly. I think they should have gone with Who Cares -- and gotten the damn video out there. That's the part that remains a mystery to me.
I claim no insight into the strategy behind Fuh You, except that it's the tune that sounds most like contemporary Top 40 material. Alas, there was never a chance of Top 40 radio playing Paul, and I think it put off some fans who just heard it once or twice.
We can only speculate about other tunes. I have no doubt that Dominoes or Hand in Hand, had they been released in 1974, would have easily been Top 10 and maybe #1. Would radio even have noticed them in 2018? No clue. But either would give a much more accurate taste of what the album is like than Come On To Me and Fuh You.
Bear in mind, too, that while radio still matters, it matters less to this generation than it does to geezers like most of us. Kids hear a lot of music by friends sharing on social media, and Paul's demographic just doesn't do that as much. Barring some unforeseeable stroke of lightning, I don't think there's a real chance of Paul having a huge hit single or album at this age -- one that stays in the top 10 for weeks. Pop music is a young person's game, and has been for three quarters of a century. From that perspective, Paul does okay, and probably about as well as you can expect.
Great insight Bruce as to why it is practically impossible for an aging classic rock artist like Paul McCartney to have a hit single or album in this era. You are right that "Come On To Me" was probably the right choice as the lead single and it did do "relatively" well for a 60's/70's rocker.
Going into the announcements last Friday, my biggest fear for Paul was getting a nomination in the first place. As you said, the 2 "lead" songs (Come On To Me and Fuh You) were easily the most "modern" sounding but they were also the shallowest lyrically on ES and they didn't speak to the overall "deep" and "profound"quality of many of the songs. Apparently in too many cases the voters (many of whom were probably far younger than Paul's era) did not have enough time to get seriously deep into the album and more than one or two listens to many of the songs. This might sound strange but had Paul been nominated, his chances for actually "winning" a Grammy would have been much better. At least at that point with the albums being totally "narrowed" down, the voters would have been forced to listen to the complete album and maybe would have had far more appreciation.
While disappointed, I'm already over it. The good news is that it looks like we will finally see the Paul/Emma Stone video and hopefully "Who Cares" will actually come out as a single. I will be real curious how it does if that does happen.
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wingsoverkc wrote:
First of all, my all time favorite 4 song streak is Letting Go, Band On The Run, Hi Hi Hi, and Soily, from WOA. Now my second favorite 4 song streak is now Come On To Me, Happy With You, Who Cares, and Fuh You.
Secondly, yes, I'm a little mystified by the exclusion of Egypt Station at the Grammy's; as I was similiarly mystified by the exclusion of New and Memory Almost Full (even though MAF did receive 3 nominations) for Grammy awards. Then again, Pink Floyd has one Grammy; Led Zeppelin has one Grammy; Rolling Stones have three (a Lifetime Award and two for Voodoo Lounge; none for Exile on Main Street, Sticky Fingers, Let It Bleed, Some Girls, etc., etc.)
Soo, does it bother me about Egypt Station not getting a Grammy nomination? Not one bit. It is an exceptional rock and roll album that I cannot stop playing. As Bruce so eloquently said, "FUH the Grammy's!
Wingsoverkc, great "4 in a row" list from WOA. What a great "live" album!!
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B J Conlee wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
Frank wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
"Egypt Station" snubbed for Grammys Album of the Year, but then, so were Taylor Swift and Beyonce. I was disappointed about ES not making it when it deserves to so very much. I guess I want "Shallow" from the A Star is Born remake to win for Record of the Year, it's been an earworm on and off ever since I saw that flick twice in a row.
So disappointed too Susy. To think that ES had so many great reviews from such a wide mix of music critics, I just wonder how it happened. How many of the nominated artists are as talented "musically" as Paul. Just look at all the instruments that Paul played on ES on top of "actually" writing the songs by himself (except for one that was cowritten.
Well, I haven't watched the Grammy's for years (since Paul was last nominated) and I will continue to be a non-watcher.
Sooo disappointed three. Probably was the last chance to honor Paul with an album of the year Grammy. Not that ES is not worthy ....but they do it with other artists all the time : Steely Dan‘s „Two against nature“ or Best Pop Album for Joni Mitchell’s Turbulent Indigo. Neither album was as good as their earlier work . I honestly think there is a bias against Paul as far as the Grammies are concerned.
When he didn't win for Chaos but lost instead to Kelly Clarkson, the writing was on the proverbial wall. His time had come and gone. I never thought ES had the slightest chance of being nominated for anything. It's just "not what's happening." There has always been a bias where Paul....and the Beatles were concerned. They were just too big and popular. The Beatles didn't win when they clearly should have....quite often not even nominated. There's no way in hades that "Hey Jude" by every measure possible wasn't Record of the Year for 1968. It didn't win. Of all the fantastic singles the Beatles released....20 of them No. 1 on the charts...not a single one was Record of The Year! How can that be? How come only one album of the year? Back then the Academy was still busy honoring long time artists...the Grammy's were relatively new...but still! Five of their albums are in the top 12 albums of all time...including four in the top ten and 3 in the top five. If Simon and Garfunkel or Stevie Wonder were on the ballot, the Beatles were not going to win. That's just the reality of it.
Good point about CHAOS, I really thought that had a shot. I think that was the year he performed and did "Fine Line" and a killer "Helter Skelter". See below and this just proves your point about album just not happening sadly.
"ClassicRockHistory wrote in their review of the album, "This is great songwriting; it’s pop perfection. If we were living in the era in which radio used to play music other than hip hop and rap, these new Paul McCartney songs would become staples of pop culture like so many of the Beatles classics did. However, times have changed and so sadly these great records can get lost"
Excellent points from all of you on the above post as well as Bruce on his prievious one. We can backtrack and pick out marketing mistakes that Capitol and Paul might have made after ES made it to #1 on the charts (in the 1st/2nd week that the album came out), but maybe nothing would have mattered. Paul wasn't going to get a nomination regardless. In Grammy voters mind, he is just too passe.
Ironically, as I'm here at my local Panera Bread, "Dominoes" is playing on their playlist. Not sure which music source they are using but I would call it Adult Contemporary (not heavy Rock oriented for sure). Relative to the fact of getting a Grammy Nomination within the bigger categories, I do appreciate and acknowledge that there are an enormous amount new albums put out each year. I'm sure it's hard to keep up with all the new music even if your are a voter. This is where I think Capitol and Paul might have made glaring mistakes. You must have to pick out the best songs from any new album in the first place. In ES's case, I never thought that Capitol highlighted the best songs to fully represent the overall quality of their album. The main singles they put out were...Come On To Me, I Don't Know and Fuh You. It also seemed to be Capitol's main print thrust when highlighting ES. IN my opinion, the problem with these songs compared to other better songs on ES were:
Come On To Me - while this song did do its job and was more geared to today's younger audience (reached #6 on the Adult Contemporary Chart) the song was too "repetitive" to make much of a dent of getting wide airplay. I live in Central Florida and I'm in convenience stores all the time playing their playlists of popular songs. Personally, I didn't hear "Come On To Me" one time. Let's face it, it's a fairly good album cut but I would guess that Capitol was disappointed themselves relative to launching the album.
I Don't Know (coupled with Come On To Me as a double A Side) in my opinion, this is a "good" Paul song and better than its counterpart, but not the kind of song that's going to produce a hit. Its a good Paul piano ballad, but not the right choice to be part of the first single out of the gate. Generally you need up-tempo types of songs.
Fuh You - launched as a internet single (maybe Bruce can explain Capitol's thought process on this) but it died on the charts. It didn't create any airplay from what I've heard in my very populated section of the country. Paul and Capitol was trying for the "cute" angle with the lyrics but it obviously wasn't the type of song from a veteran artist that caught the eyes of any of the Grammy voters. Lyrics were bad at best for an artist of Paul's stature.
Better choices:
Who Cares - has terrific rock hooks with very good and topical lyrics. Far better than Capitol's eventual choices in my opinion and who knows, might have attracted some of the Grammy voters. As I said, with so much new product on the market, you can't necessarily expect voters to go beyond the "highlighted" choices from the Record Company themselves.
Dominoes - another terrific ES track with terrific up-tempo hooks and good lyrics.
Despite Repeated Warnings - as a B-side to either one of the above. Not necessarily a commercial track, "Warnings" does offer topical social lyrics about the state of the world today. It's a smart "Story" song about how leaders who can sometimes be on the wrong track. Again, as a B-side, it might have attracted the interest of some Grammy voters. The song itself is great in my opinion as an album track.
Happy With You - another good B-side possibility in my opinion. Far more of a Paul McCartney style track that some Grammy voters are more used to.
Again, everyone here might be right. ES maybe wouldn't have been nominated anyway no matter what album highlights were selected. But I did think that the choioces that Capitol did make weren't close to being the best songs representing ES on the whole. I think Bruce (look at his last post) in the end has the right idea.
Totally corect. ES may not have gotten any awards or nominations anyway, very unlikely, but the initial choices of songs to release to spotlight the album were ALL so wrong. How could Capitol make such a blunder? The release of "Who Cares" is such an obvious choice to go with first time out, a 5-year old could have reached that conclusion. Backed with either "Despite Repeated Warngings," but especially with "Happy With You," and you've got classic and very commercial Paul McCartney. Perfect recipe for success and recognition.....one very uptempo (and relevant) song and one very beautiful melodic song. If all of us can readily see just how this album should have been launched, who the hades at Capitol botched it...not to mention Paul, himself??? Boggles the mind!!
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Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
Totally corect. ES may not have gotten any awards or nominations anyway, very unlikely, but the initial choices of songs to release to spotlight the album were ALL so wrong. How could Capitol make such a blunder? The release of "Who Cares" is such an obvious choice to go with first time out, a 5-year old could have reached that conclusion. Backed with either "Despite Repeated Warnings," but especially with "Happy With You," and you've got classic and very commercial Paul McCartney. Perfect recipe for success and recognition.....one very uptempo (and relevant) song and one very beautiful melodic song. If all of us can readily see just how this album should have been launched, who the hades at Capitol botched it...not to mention Paul, himself??? Boggles the mind!!
Agreed. That these tracks were all sidelined in favor of "Fuh You" boggles my mind.
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oobu24 wrote:
Looks like the video with Emma Stone is ready.
To paraphrase a t-shirt many here may remember: About Fuhing Time!
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Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
Beatles4Ever&Ever wrote:
Frank wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
"Egypt Station" snubbed for Grammys Album of the Year, but then, so were Taylor Swift and Beyonce. I was disappointed about ES not making it when it deserves to so very much. I guess I want "Shallow" from the A Star is Born remake to win for Record of the Year, it's been an earworm on and off ever since I saw that flick twice in a row.
So disappointed too Susy. To think that ES had so many great reviews from such a wide mix of music critics, I just wonder how it happened. How many of the nominated artists are as talented "musically" as Paul. Just look at all the instruments that Paul played on ES on top of "actually" writing the songs by himself (except for one that was cowritten.
Well, I haven't watched the Grammy's for years (since Paul was last nominated) and I will continue to be a non-watcher.
Sooo disappointed three. Probably was the last chance to honor Paul with an album of the year Grammy. Not that ES is not worthy ....but they do it with other artists all the time : Steely Dan‘s „Two against nature“ or Best Pop Album for Joni Mitchell’s Turbulent Indigo. Neither album was as good as their earlier work . I honestly think there is a bias against Paul as far as the Grammies are concerned.
When he didn't win for Chaos but lost instead to Kelly Clarkson, the writing was on the proverbial wall. His time had come and gone. I never thought ES had the slightest chance of being nominated for anything. It's just "not what's happening." There has always been a bias where Paul....and the Beatles were concerned. They were just too big and popular. The Beatles didn't win when they clearly should have....quite often not even nominated. There's no way in hades that "Hey Jude" by every measure possible wasn't Record of the Year for 1968. It didn't win. Of all the fantastic singles the Beatles released....20 of them No. 1 on the charts...not a single one was Record of The Year! How can that be? How come only one album of the year? Back then the Academy was still busy honoring long time artists...the Grammy's were relatively new...but still! Five of their albums are in the top 12 albums of all time...including four in the top ten and 3 in the top five. If Simon and Garfunkel or Stevie Wonder were on the ballot, the Beatles were not going to win. That's just the reality of it.
Good point about CHAOS, I really thought that had a shot. I think that was the year he performed and did "Fine Line" and a killer "Helter Skelter". See below and this just proves your point about album just not happening sadly.
"ClassicRockHistory wrote in their review of the album, "This is great songwriting; it’s pop perfection. If we were living in the era in which radio used to play music other than hip hop and rap, these new Paul McCartney songs would become staples of pop culture like so many of the Beatles classics did. However, times have changed and so sadly these great records can get lost"
Excellent points from all of you on the above post as well as Bruce on his prievious one. We can backtrack and pick out marketing mistakes that Capitol and Paul might have made after ES made it to #1 on the charts (in the 1st/2nd week that the album came out), but maybe nothing would have mattered. Paul wasn't going to get a nomination regardless. In Grammy voters mind, he is just too passe.
Ironically, as I'm here at my local Panera Bread, "Dominoes" is playing on their playlist. Not sure which music source they are using but I would call it Adult Contemporary (not heavy Rock oriented for sure). Relative to the fact of getting a Grammy Nomination within the bigger categories, I do appreciate and acknowledge that there are an enormous amount new albums put out each year. I'm sure it's hard to keep up with all the new music even if your are a voter. This is where I think Capitol and Paul might have made glaring mistakes. You must have to pick out the best songs from any new album in the first place. In ES's case, I never thought that Capitol highlighted the best songs to fully represent the overall quality of their album. The main singles they put out were...Come On To Me, I Don't Know and Fuh You. It also seemed to be Capitol's main print thrust when highlighting ES. IN my opinion, the problem with these songs compared to other better songs on ES were:
Come On To Me - while this song did do its job and was more geared to today's younger audience (reached #6 on the Adult Contemporary Chart) the song was too "repetitive" to make much of a dent of getting wide airplay. I live in Central Florida and I'm in convenience stores all the time playing their playlists of popular songs. Personally, I didn't hear "Come On To Me" one time. Let's face it, it's a fairly good album cut but I would guess that Capitol was disappointed themselves relative to launching the album.
I Don't Know (coupled with Come On To Me as a double A Side) in my opinion, this is a "good" Paul song and better than its counterpart, but not the kind of song that's going to produce a hit. Its a good Paul piano ballad, but not the right choice to be part of the first single out of the gate. Generally you need up-tempo types of songs.
Fuh You - launched as a internet single (maybe Bruce can explain Capitol's thought process on this) but it died on the charts. It didn't create any airplay from what I've heard in my very populated section of the country. Paul and Capitol was trying for the "cute" angle with the lyrics but it obviously wasn't the type of song from a veteran artist that caught the eyes of any of the Grammy voters. Lyrics were bad at best for an artist of Paul's stature.
Better choices:
Who Cares - has terrific rock hooks with very good and topical lyrics. Far better than Capitol's eventual choices in my opinion and who knows, might have attracted some of the Grammy voters. As I said, with so much new product on the market, you can't necessarily expect voters to go beyond the "highlighted" choices from the Record Company themselves.
Dominoes - another terrific ES track with terrific up-tempo hooks and good lyrics.
Despite Repeated Warnings - as a B-side to either one of the above. Not necessarily a commercial track, "Warnings" does offer topical social lyrics about the state of the world today. It's a smart "Story" song about how leaders who can sometimes be on the wrong track. Again, as a B-side, it might have attracted the interest of some Grammy voters. The song itself is great in my opinion as an album track.
Happy With You - another good B-side possibility in my opinion. Far more of a Paul McCartney style track that some Grammy voters are more used to.
Again, everyone here might be right. ES maybe wouldn't have been nominated anyway no matter what album highlights were selected. But I did think that the choioces that Capitol did make weren't close to being the best songs representing ES on the whole. I think Bruce (look at his last post) in the end has the right idea.
Totally corect. ES may not have gotten any awards or nominations anyway, very unlikely, but the initial choices of songs to release to spotlight the album were ALL so wrong. How could Capitol make such a blunder? The release of "Who Cares" is such an obvious choice to go with first time out, a 5-year old could have reached that conclusion. Backed with either "Despite Repeated Warngings," but especially with "Happy With You," and you've got classic and very commercial Paul McCartney. Perfect recipe for success and recognition.....one very uptempo (and relevant) song and one very beautiful melodic song. If all of us can readily see just how this album should have been launched, who the hades at Capitol botched it...not to mention Paul, himself??? Boggles the mind!!
Thanks Beatles4Ever. That's the way I saw it too. It will be interesting to see if being 100% shut out at the Grammies will tick Paul off. Maybe it might push him to play at least 6-8 ES songs when he comes back to the US in 2019 to the US to continue his tour. And He won't have the "didn't have enough time to rehearse the new songs" excuse at that point.
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"I Don't Know" was too subtle and nuanced and sort of "slow" to spring as the first single, it really grows on you and takes a while to realize it's very special and fantastic, and "Fuh You" takes a while for one to fully groove on its irresistable catchy quality, it's also a grower and "creeper" creepin' up on you and all of a sudden you just love it--so these weren't ideal as the first offerings. "Come On To Me" is rollicking, bouncy and jaunty and all, but also sounds too repetitious and simplistic, which can come to be annoying in certain moods. Jay-Z had the line "F-----k the Grammys" on his new album with Beyonce 'cause apparently they too had been shut out a lot. Even Taylor Swift was, this time, which must have put her in shock. I guess I can grasp why Paul didn't perform "Despite Repeated Warnings" and "People Want Peace" or he hasn't yet, in concert; probably due to fears most of the audience wouldn't be familar with these and wouldn't sing along. Maybe there's some more awards somewhere in other countries which will be bestowed on ES on some international music shows. Maybe Paul would be a bit greedy wanting big prizes for it, after all the success and glory he's already enjoyed; you can see though how he would love this outstanding new album from him to be widely appreciated and recognized for what it is. The "Who Cares" video and possible single will attract more notice. The remasters of his previous albums being reissued draw a great deal of renewed attention and appreciation for his work, which must please him even more than all the money rolling in from them.
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Well friends, Rolling Stone just released their Top 50 Albums of 2018, and the sensational "Egypt Station" came in at #11. I guess I should be elated, but I'm just not. I see the Top Ten albums mentioned and I just shake my head. Four rappers with "explicit lyric" warnings and A Star Is Born soundtrack. Are you kidding me?? Hey, I loved the movie, but really? Bradley Cooper over Sir Paul? Remember when Rolling Stone was a rock and roll magazine? Yea, me too.
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wingsoverkc wrote:
Well friends, Rolling Stone just released their Top 50 Albums of 2018, and the sensational "Egypt Station" came in at #11. I guess I should be elated, but I'm just not. I see the Top Ten albums mentioned and I just shake my head. Four rappers with "explicit lyric" warnings and A Star Is Born soundtrack. Are you kidding me?? Hey, I loved the movie, but really? Bradley Cooper over Sir Paul? Remember when Rolling Stone was a rock and roll magazine? Yea, me too.
Just because you or I don't appreciate rap doesn't mean it has no value. When talking about current music, I try very hard not to sound like my parents discussing the Beatles.
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Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
Well friends, Rolling Stone just released their Top 50 Albums of 2018, and the sensational "Egypt Station" came in at #11. I guess I should be elated, but I'm just not. I see the Top Ten albums mentioned and I just shake my head. Four rappers with "explicit lyric" warnings and A Star Is Born soundtrack. Are you kidding me?? Hey, I loved the movie, but really? Bradley Cooper over Sir Paul? Remember when Rolling Stone was a rock and roll magazine? Yea, me too.
Just because you or I don't appreciate rap doesn't mean it has no value. When talking about current music, I try very hard not to sound like my parents discussing the Beatles.
I have heard of only 10 out of the 50 artists (and that includes Macca!)
And Bruce, this is where we must agree to disagree! Lord, I hate rap! To me it is not even music. Sorry.
You know what should have been on that list? The soundtrack to the movie The Greatest Showman.
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wingsoverkc wrote:
Well friends, Rolling Stone just released their Top 50 Albums of 2018, and the sensational "Egypt Station" came in at #11. I guess I should be elated, but I'm just not. I see the Top Ten albums mentioned and I just shake my head. Four rappers with "explicit lyric" warnings and A Star Is Born soundtrack. Are you kidding me?? Hey, I loved the movie, but really? Bradley Cooper over Sir Paul? Remember when Rolling Stone was a rock and roll magazine? Yea, me too.
Wow. "New" was the #3 album in their top 50 albums when it was released and I think "Egypt Station" is much better. Then again, I don't remember what the other alubms were that year . Still #11 from RS for somebody who is 76 is pretty darn good.
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Nancy R wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
Well friends, Rolling Stone just released their Top 50 Albums of 2018, and the sensational "Egypt Station" came in at #11. I guess I should be elated, but I'm just not. I see the Top Ten albums mentioned and I just shake my head. Four rappers with "explicit lyric" warnings and A Star Is Born soundtrack. Are you kidding me?? Hey, I loved the movie, but really? Bradley Cooper over Sir Paul? Remember when Rolling Stone was a rock and roll magazine? Yea, me too.
Just because you or I don't appreciate rap doesn't mean it has no value. When talking about current music, I try very hard not to sound like my parents discussing the Beatles.
I have heard of only 10 out of the 50 artists (and that includes Macca!)
And Bruce, this is where we must agree to disagree! Lord, I hate rap! To me it is not even music. Sorry.
You know what should have been on that list? The soundtrack to the movie The Greatest Showman.
Billy Joel said rap was not music also many years ago, called it an "art form".
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With 0 or 11 Grammy nominations, I still feel Egypt Station is Paul's best album since Band on the Run . . . or maybe Tug of War.
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After 3 months of listening to ES here‘s my personal ranking of the songs :
Classic McCartney (i.e. masterpieces) :
Happy with you, Confidante, Dominoes, Do it now
Very good :
Who cares, Hand in hand, Hunt you down/Naked/C-link
Good :
I don‘t know, People want peace, Back in Brazil, Despite repeated warnings
Terrible (i.e „Viagra - Rock“) :
Come on to me, Fuh you, Caesar Rock
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In case you guys don't get over to the Who Cares video thread...a teaser
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcCartney/videos/1964873920482067/
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oobu24 wrote:
In case you guys don't get over to the Who Cares video thread...a teaser
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcCartney/videos/1964873920482067/
Love it !!!!!
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SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
In case you guys don't get over to the Who Cares video thread...a teaser
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcCartney/videos/1964873920482067/
Love it !!!!!
Do I hear a new mix of the song here ?
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Frank wrote:
SusyLuvsPaul wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
In case you guys don't get over to the Who Cares video thread...a teaser
https://www.facebook.com/PaulMcCartney/videos/1964873920482067/
Love it !!!!!
Do I hear a new mix of the song here ?
Kinda sounds like it!
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Bruce M. wrote:
wingsoverkc wrote:
Well friends, Rolling Stone just released their Top 50 Albums of 2018, and the sensational "Egypt Station" came in at #11. I guess I should be elated, but I'm just not. I see the Top Ten albums mentioned and I just shake my head. Four rappers with "explicit lyric" warnings and A Star Is Born soundtrack. Are you kidding me?? Hey, I loved the movie, but really? Bradley Cooper over Sir Paul? Remember when Rolling Stone was a rock and roll magazine? Yea, me too.
Just because you or I don't appreciate rap doesn't mean it has no value. When talking about current music, I try very hard not to sound like my parents discussing the Beatles.
I understand your point, Bruce. The younger me never understood jazz or would never listen to classical music. But as I got older, I grew appreciative of jazz ( I love the Twin Peaks soundtrack). And I am now appreciative of classical music, even if it isn't my thing. But I appreciate it..... I know how brilliant the artists are that make that music.... More brilliant (technically) than the average rock or pop band..... Rap, on the other hand. I will never like it. And I will never appreciate it. It is dross. And that's not me being intolerant. That's just me thinking it is crapola. Rubbish. It doesn't take a person of much talent to put it out. I will never warm to it. I detest it. It makes me ill. I will never value it. I find it divisive. I find it promotes violence. I simpy detest it.... and will never like it. And I certainly will never appreciate it. It is crap with a silent C. I detest it.... I could live for a thousand years and I can assure you, I will never ever like it. I'd rather listen to grass grow.... on the other hand, I know a lot of parents were dismissive of the Beatles at the time... but many certainly went on to appreciate them. Some of them went on to love them.... not gonna happen with me and rap.... All said with respect.